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Hudini...from your unique perspective, thoughts on the new Chinese corona virus by maryjane
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Most people are back to work. Schools are still out. International airline traffic is mostly dead. I'm still counting on coming home in March.
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It kinda begs the question "what did he know? "

https://finanz.dk/south-kor...r-1000-live-updates/

About 2/3rds of the way down.
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What does everyone know?
(well, almost everyone...)



The 'Rest of MeM's story:
https://www.sedaily.com/NewsView/1YZ25XSKC3

 
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A male civil servant in his 30s from the Justice Department died on a bridge over the Han River.

According to the Ministry of Justice on the 25th, Mr. A from the Ministry of Justice's Emergency Safety Planning Office was killed at Dongjak Bridge at 5 am on the day. Mr. A was in charge of the new coronavirus infection (Corona 19) at the emergency safety planning office in charge of national emergency and crisis management.

When the police checked the closed-circuit (CC) TV, Mr. A drove off and bumped into the railing of the Dongjak Bridge, and then reportedly got out of the car and jumped under the bridge. Mr. A was discovered by the Banpo Rescue Rescue Team at 9 am but was said to have died.

The police and the Justice Department are investigating how Mr. A came to extreme choices and their links to work.


출처 : https://www.sedaily.com/NewsView/1YZ25XSKC3

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Looks like the media is on a tear to panic the whole country. In between the media, and the guy from DHS saying something today about it being inevitable that Covid-19 would hit the US. The stock market is crashing, about 1900 down in two days. Got all kinds of people pushing crap like MEM has been digging up.

My view is that this way early to be going crazy.
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Originally posted by MadMark:

Looks like the media is on a tear to panic the whole country. In between the media, and the guy from DHS saying something today about it being inevitable that Covid-19 would hit the US. The stock market is crashing, about 1900 down in two days. Got all kinds of people pushing crap like MEM has been digging up.

My view is that this way early to be going crazy.


I believe the stock market reaction is more about the global effect the virus is having on manufacturing and shipping than if or when it may come to the U.S.

This virus is going to effect us whether it actually spreads to our population or not. Wally World won't have much to sell ya know.

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Originally posted by MadMark:

Looks like the media is on a tear to panic the whole country. In between the media, and the guy from DHS saying something today about it being inevitable that Covid-19 would hit the US. The stock market is crashing, about 1900 down in two days. Got all kinds of people pushing crap like MEM has been digging up.

My view is that this way early to be going crazy.


If we are going to be concerned about needless hyperbole then saying that the stock market is "crashing" doesn't help either.

This latest drop in the Dow only puts today's close at 8.4% lower than the February 12, 2020 record high close.

Back in 1987 the market "crash' was 850 points which was 23% of the entire market at that time.

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Sounds like it's time for some bargain hunting.
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This is a falling knife dip I'm not going to touch. For now anyway. Too soon.
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This is a falling knife dip I'm not going to touch. For now anyway. Too soon.


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Italy's confirmed cases tripled in the last 2 days and S. America has confirmed it's 1st case..in Brazil.
The Brazilian patient had come from Italy. Austria now has t least one case and Frawnce has multiple confirmed cases.

 
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The Brazilian government confirmed the first case of a fast-spreading new coronavirus in Latin America, officials from the Brazil Health Ministry said, after a Sao Paulo hospital flagged the possible infection of a 61-year-old who had visited Italy. The diagnosis comes during Brazil’s carnival holiday, a peak time for domestic travel when millions of revelers throng to major cities for raucous street celebrations. Brazil is tracking 20 suspected cases of the virus in the country, health officials told reporters at a news briefing. —Reuters


It's Carnival in Brazil...what could possibly go wrong?
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https://www.newsweek.com/co...rope-america-1489170

And........

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"CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years

By Associated Press

September 26, 2018 "

That would be winter of 2017 then. 80,000 people died in a year and it's yawns. 2700 die from this new disease and the stock market drops 1900 points.
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With the huge population of Chinese in this city and surrounding areas, it's a little surprising to me that there have been but a handful of coronavirus cases reported here.

COVID-19: Here are all the B.C. cases of the novel coronavirus
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Originally posted by Hudini:

"CDC: 80,000 people died of flu last winter in U.S., highest death toll in 40 years

By Associated Press

September 26, 2018 "

That would be winter of 2017 then. 80,000 people died in a year and it's yawns. 2700 die from this new disease and the stock market drops 1900 points.


I would have thought that would be obvious but perhaps not. It's in the definition of the word "news". New(s) is 'something new or unexpected'. The severity of seasonal flu might be somewhat newsworthy in a particularly bad year, and for a short period of time, the particular strain of seasonal flu might be, but flu is expected each year, just as it has been for decades now. It's nothing particularly new, therefore is not "news".
We EXPECT the flu each year (and have for decades now) and we expect people to die from it, just as we expect many thousands each year to die from auto accidents, heart disease, cancer, and dementia.

Unexpected events ARE news. This particular zoonotic coronavirus has never been seen before, there is little known about it, either in severity, morbidity, mortality or anything else, therefore, it is "news".

A meteor shower doesn't make the headlines, is usually relegated to the back pages with just a casual mention of what time, what day the peak is, but an asteroid strike or an impending strike would be "news".

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With the huge population of Chinese in this city and surrounding areas, it's a little surprising to me that there have been but a handful of coronavirus cases reported here.

COVID-19: Here are all the B.C. cases of the novel coronavirus


How many of them have traveled to the Wuhan region of China in the last few months?
Just because they are Chinese it doesn't mean they've been anywhere to get exposed to Covid-19.
(There's a horde of Mexicans living near me..most are legal & haven't crossed back across the Rio Grande in many years)

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With the huge population of Chinese in this city and surrounding areas, it's a little surprising to me that there have been but a handful of coronavirus cases reported here.

COVID-19: Here are all the B.C. cases of the novel coronavirus


I believe it has to do with at least two things. First it is something in addition to the normal flu which people have already taken into account as normal. Secondly, The death rate is several times higher for Covid-19 than the normal flu. The normal flu is less than 0.1 % death rate. This Covid-19 has a presumed death rate of about 2%. That is a lot higher and we can see that like the normal flu it is very contagious and easily transmitted.
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I just looked at the new statistics for today on the Covid-19 outbreak. China is finally calming down on the new cases, at least the number of new cases is rounding off. While still high it is encouraging to see it rounding off.

But, South Korea is spiking. 334 more new cases today and almost 1,600 total cases. So South Korea is on an exponential increase. Hopefully, they have acted soon enough to quarantine the possible new cases. If not it could spiral out of control for quite a while.
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A US soldier stationed at Camp Carroll S. Korea has been diagnosed positive for coronavirus. Not a good sign, mostly because of the way military people are housed and fed, and live in close proximity. I don't know how many are stationed at Carroll, but we have about 25,000 total troops in S. Korea.

In other news, a new patient in Solano County Calif has no known contact with anyone that has been to China or even out of the country. CDC is still investigating but so far has turned up no reasonable path or way for this one to have been exposed.
But...there's that 7 degrees of separation thing...

Solano County has the largest percentage Filipino population of any County in all of the United States, and the county's total population is about 460,000.

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A US soldier stationed at Camp Carroll S. Korea has been diagnosed positive for coronavirus. Not a good sign, mostly because of the way military people are housed and fed, and live in close proximity. I don't know how many are stationed at Carroll, but we have about 25,000 total troops in S. Korea.

In other news, a new patient in Solano County Calif has no known contact with anyone that has been to China or even out of the country. CDC is still investigating but so far has turned up no reasonable path or way for this one to have been exposed.
But...there's that 7 degrees of separation thing...

Solano County has the largest percentage Filipino population of any County in all of the United States, and the county's total population is about 460,000.



The US soldier is problematic, because as you say the soldiers live in very close proximity. So, I would expect more cases. Hopefully, this soldier will recover and not be affected too badly and it won't spread very far. But, you never know.

The case in Solano County is understandably problematic. Not knowing how that person got this disease makes tracking it and isolating it very hard. If I remember correctly the Philippines is only one of two countries that has all known cases resolved. One dead and two recovered out of a total of 3. Vietnam is the only other country with that kind of record.
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The US soldier is problematic, because as you say the soldiers live in very close proximity. So, I would expect more cases. Hopefully, this soldier will recover and not be affected too badly and it won't spread very far. But, you never know.

The case in Solano County is understandably problematic. Not knowing how that person got this disease makes tracking it and isolating it very hard. If I remember correctly the Philippines is only one of two countries that has all known cases resolved. One dead and two recovered out of a total of 3. Vietnam is the only other country with that kind of record.


With the "controls" the military has on it's soldiers, I have no doubt this will be isolated in a relatively short time. There is no way the military will not bring to bear all the resources needed to stabilize this particular problem. Solano County is a totally different scenario. A civilian (U.S.) population is not nearly as controllable and definitely doesn't like things like forced quarantines.

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There are 2700 to 3000 soldiers at Camp Carroll right now, and about 2/3 of them are US military personnel, with the rest being S. Koreans and US/Korean civilian contractors.





Going to be difficult to lock Carroll down, considering it is one of the major stocking/storage bases for every kind of rolling stock in that region...tanks, trucks, all mobile weapons for the Taegu area. People from other bases come and go from there every day.


This tonight, from someone (retired US military) that I correspond with about this time every night in Busan S. Korea:
(referring to the infected US soldier in S. Korea)
Donald, that guy is residing off base, and is now in self-quarantine. Not sure if he's living with someone. Anyway, it's reported he visited Camp Walker (wonder if he infected others there) a few days ago from Camp Carroll, and is now back in his off-base housing unit under self-quarantine. So Camp Carroll is under lock-down, and apparently won't let infected troops in. There was another US military dependent-type who died. She was a Korean widower. She was 61, and now has joined her hubby.
Korea is getting slammed by COVID-19 pretty bad.

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Originally posted by maryjane:

How many of them have traveled to the Wuhan region of China in the last few months?
Just because they are Chinese it doesn't mean they've been anywhere to get exposed to Covid-19.



When there are hundreds of thousands of Chinese living here in the Vancouver area, I'll hazard to guess at least two or three individuals have been to the Wuhan region in the last few months. I mean, it's beautiful here and all... but people living in this city (Chinese or otherwise) do travel abroad!

I'm curious why Italy appears to be hit so hard. Typhoid Mary Wang make a visit there?

Mark, did you quote me by mistake Here? Your response doesn't seem to relate to what I had stated.

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I'm curious why Italy appears to be hit so hard. Typhoid Mary Wang make a visit there?


Open borders on a country that is mostly situated on the warm Mediterranean in mid winter. A European vacation mecca. One person comes from (or back from) China, infected but doesn't know it. Everyone on the commercial air plane is exposed. The taxi ride to his hotel exposes the cab driver that will probably be in close proximity to a 100 people the same day, each going their separate way afterwards. Checks into his hotel, hands the clerk his card with his snot besmeared hand, and that clerk will intermingle with dozens of people the same day. Chinaman goes to eat at a popular tourist filled restaurant and exposes dozens more, then that night out for cocktails or good Italian wine at some nice eatery and spreads it to 1/2 dozen waitstaffthat will interact with dozens more customers before the evening is over and each of the local people Chinaman interacted with in those few hrs go home and interacts with their own families, who next morning, go out and interact with no telling how many other people............. many of those that Chinaman interacted with will get on one of the modern but crowded passenger trains and take off back to their own European home cities....tick tock tick tock...5-7 days go by and there you are...like ChickenMan of the 60s, it's everywhere-it's everywhere!
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And, if the flight attendant on Chinaman's flight from China was infected, and doesn't realize it for several days, guess how many get exposed?

https://www.businessinsider...v-los-angeles-2020-2
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Originally posted by maryjane:

....tick tock tick tock...


Sounds like a quote from The Expanse.

If you're watching that series, you'll understand.

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I don't watch much TV shows nowadays.
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In the series I referred to, there's a dead detective that uses that phrase "tick tock tick tock..." whens he's deep in thought.
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When there are hundreds of thousands of Chinese living here in the Vancouver area, I'll hazard to guess at least two or three individuals have been to the Wuhan region in the last few months. I mean, it's beautiful here and all... but people living in this city (Chinese or otherwise) do travel abroad!

I'm curious why Italy appears to be hit so hard. Typhoid Mary Wang make a visit there?

Mark, did you quote me by mistake Here? Your response doesn't seem to relate to what I had stated.



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And, if the flight attendant on Chinaman's flight from China was infected, and doesn't realize it for several days, guess how many get exposed?

https://www.businessinsider...v-los-angeles-2020-2


Yep, its going to be hard to contain this virus. Especially in America's open society, where we move around at will and have lots of interaction with others.

But, this flight attendant might be like a Typhoid Mary. One who could have possibly infected hundreds if not thousands of people by themselves because of the number of people who they come into contact with on a daily basis. And then the progression just expands from there. I believe the normal rate of infection so far has been one to three people infected by each original infection. But, this might change that.

One of the reoccurring little comments I have heard in some of the reports from health officials is that they are worried that someone might be able to be infected, but not show symptoms, and then be a carrier and spread this disease to a large number of people. All while not knowing they have it.

Right now one of the key determinants is if you have a temperature. What if you got it and don't have a temperature? How would anyone know if you were infected if you don't show signs of having the disease?

And here is a report out of Japan today on Fox News referring to a patient who had the virus in January and then was "cured" but has it again. That opens up a lot of possibilities.

"Once you have the infection, it could remain dormant and with minimal symptoms, and then you can get an exacerbation if it finds its way into the lungs,” said Philip Tierno Jr., professor of microbiology and pathology at NYU School of Medicine, according to the news organization.

The virus can reportedly spread without symptoms showing up, which forces officials to play catch up and makes it far more difficult to manage.

Health officials analyzed the implications of a patient testing positive after having an initial recovery. Second positive tests have been reported in China."


Also, this: “I’m not certain that this is not bi-phasic, like anthrax,” Tierno Jr. said in regards to the disease being able to go away before reappearing."

https://www.foxnews.com/hea...first-in-the-country
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A school in Washington State is closed because of fear. A staff member traveled abroad.

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Right now one of the key determinants is if you have a temperature. What if you got it and don't have a temperature? How would anyone know if you were infected if you don't show signs of having the disease?

And here is a report out of Japan today on Fox News referring to a patient who had the virus in January and then was "cured" but has it again. That opens up a lot of possibilities.

"Once you have the infection, it could remain dormant and with minimal symptoms, and then you can get an exacerbation if it finds its way into the lungs,” said Philip Tierno Jr., professor of microbiology and pathology at NYU School of Medicine, according to the news organization.

The virus can reportedly spread without symptoms showing up, which forces officials to play catch up and makes it far more difficult to manage.

Health officials analyzed the implications of a patient testing positive after having an initial recovery. Second positive tests have been reported in China."

Also, this: “I’m not certain that this is not bi-phasic, like anthrax,” Tierno Jr. said in regards to the disease being able to go away before reappearing."


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This sure is a potentially handy vehicle to control the public.
Hopefully no potential socialist dictators get any ideas.
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Eh, this is Mother Nature's way of counteracting man-made climate change.

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Hopefully no potential socialist dictators get any ideas.



Damn those socialist dictators. Why can't they be as benevolent as fascist dictators!

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Line from a movie.The sequel as well.
Ian Malcolm..Jurassic Park

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Eh, this is Mother Nature's way of counteracting man-made climate change.

"It's not nice to fool (with) Mother Nature!"


Many are saying that warmer weather will kill the virus, so Global Warming is going to save the planet!

I would like to be the first to say: "Shut up Greta! You are going to get us all killed!"
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The stock markets are now officially down over 12%.

More new cases outside of China that from China. Hoping the coming of spring helps contain this.

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