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88 Coupe gets a 3.4 by josef644
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I am at work every day at 7:00 am. When I get off of work, and back home around 2:30pm it is a furnace in my garage. To hot to do much in the way of working on the Coupe. Saturday and Sunday mornings are when I can get a few things done with out suffering heat stroke. I had 100* here today at 3:00pm.

I want to get this back together and running, then maybe remove the 3 speed auto and converet it to an automatic overdrive.

Good luck with your swap.
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I was able to get it all back together this morning, and all of the motor mount studs in the cradle holes. TC spins vary easily by hand threw the starter hole.


and side shot:


Tomorrow's goal is lower intake and distributor.

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Motor is looking good! I don't know how you do it with the humidity there. We are pushing 100 degrees here but it is much drier.

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Motor is looking good! I don't know how you do it with the humidity there. We are pushing 100 degrees here but it is much drier.


Rick I was posting at 10:40 am. I was threw for the day. I have not been back in the garage since. I am planning on being outside by 7:00am tomorrow to get some work done.
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The temperature has dropped 20 degrees since 3pm. I went out to the garage and was able to get the three torque converter bolts all started and torqued down to spec. Might be able to work tomorrow afternoon if this cool spell stays for a while.

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Ordered a new A1 Cardone distributor from RockAuto this evening. Gonna try to get the two lower intakes installed tomorrow. Will be posting some pictures tomorrow.
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I painted the lower intake, and the fasteners for it this morning. Same for the distributor hold down. All will get a coat of engine paint, clear before they are put out in the hot Texas sun to bake at 100*. Cleaned the last of my dirty parts from the old 2.8.
Lower intake:

Fasteners:

Plug Wire protectors:

More cleaned pieces:

As she sits today:

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Went back out and installed the lower intake. Torqued down to 19Ft Lbs. Starting to look like an engine.


Valve covers painted, and clear coat applied:

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Installed the two valve covers, and cleaned up the middle intake for painting. I want to get this on pretty quick so I can install the injectors and injector rail.

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Got my A1 Cardone distributor off the Fedex truck today. Decals from Fiero Thomas yesterday. V6 thermostat housing in real nice shape arrived this week from 'mrfiero' here on PFF.

Middle intake is now painted and ready to install. I have to chase threads in one of the thermostat bolt holes. The bolt came out with some of the threads still in the bolt when I removed the old housing. Easy to do now with the middle intake still off.

I had a friend weld me a stud onto the engine shock mount for the lower AC bracket to fasten to.

Might get some real work done this weekend.

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Looking good Joe!

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Looking good Joe!


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I was able to pick up my shock mount bracket with the new stud welded in. I need to remove some of the 88 style front engine mount metal before I can install this on the engine. My new Fiero Store oil filler cap arrived today. I put it on already. I also used the tap to chase the threads for the thermostat housing. All speed ahead now.

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Small work slow down here, Our water heater died an untimely death. $275.00. Oh well., such is life.

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Did you get your exhaust logs ported and welded? you should do that before you mount them up. that 3.4 will REALLY appreciate the extra breathing room.

also don't do bolts on the exhaust manifolds. use studs, they wont fail later. also the front heat shield on the 2.8 you can do without as all it does is create leaks because it's mounted between the head and the exhaust log. or redesign it to mount differently. These will give you better reliability and significantly reduce the chances of exhaust gasket leaks.

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Did you get your exhaust logs ported and welded? you should do that before you mount them up. that 3.4 will REALLY appreciate the extra breathing room.

also don't do bolts on the exhaust manifolds. use studs, they wont fail later. also the front heat shield on the 2.8 you can do without as all it does is create leaks because it's mounted between the head and the exhaust log. or redesign it to mount differently. These will give you better reliability and significantly reduce the chances of exhaust gasket leaks.


Havent ported the exhaust manifolds yet, but plan to. I do have the exhaust stud kit here on hand now

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I was able to get a lot of little things done this morning. AC mount brackets were put back on the engine. Front engine mount bracket was modified to accept the lower AC bracket. Rear Coil mount was added. Middle intake mounted and torqued to specs .Cross over pipe was put in place. I am gonna remove it tomorrow and clean it up , and add some gloss black paint. I have the wrong Alternator. Will not line up with the mount bracket.
Installed the throttle cable into the body. So much fun to be had doing this! NOT

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Spent the afternoon at O'REilly's Parts house using their AC compressor hub remover . It was $130.00 to take it home, or just use it there inside in an air conditioned room for free. Hard decision to make. I used the tool to remove the pulley system from my 4.9 Cadillac HR6. Serpentine drive. I removed my V Belt pulley system from my locked up 87 GT 2.8 compressor.

The Cadillac HR6 and the Fiero ones have different rear ends. I can not use the rear bracket at the back of the compresssor. I haven't decided if I want to use it this way or not. $180.00 is a nice pile of bread.

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This morning I discovered that the throttle cable had come out of the peddle arm while I was putting it back on the firewall. I had to try to reach in there and find the loose end. I finally gave up and used a piece of coat hanger to pull a string through, then tied the string to the forward end of the cable. After a few hideous minuets I was able to get it all back together correctly.

Installed my injectors in the fuel rail:

Fuel rail on the intake:


I had removed the dash to assist me in the throttle cable install, but it was not any help at all. I was gonna remove it for Beechwood recolor anyway.

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I did the exact opposite you did, I had to remove the V6 throttle cable to install the Duke throttle cable for the 4.9. I had my friend do it in exchange for parts.

I gotta admit those injectors look NICE! Shiny!

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I was able to get a few things done this morning. Upper intake is ready to go back on the engine now. I need to paint it first. I am thinking Cast Aluminum, silver, like the rest of it. Black or red 'FIERO' engraved area.

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Painted, with a coat of clear. All the red was removed with a wire brush in a die grinder. About a one hour job.

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I like the Fiero in red. Nice work!

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Nice!



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Nice job! I did mine in 2008. I did the 4t60 for a cost of around $1,200 in parts. $100 to buy a core, $800 for the rebuild, $90 for each rebuilt axle and around $40 for all the brackets and governor cap from a pick and pull and fluid. Check out my signature it has all the part numbers and what cars to find the parts from. Keep up the good work!

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Nice job! I did mine in 2008. I did the 4t60 for a cost of around $1,200 in parts. $100 to buy a core, $800 for the rebuild, $90 for each rebuilt axle and around $40 for all the brackets and governor cap from a pick and pull and fluid. Check out my signature it has all the part numbers and what cars to find the parts from. Keep up the good work!


I had read your 4T60 thread back when you did it. I asked if you ever got the transmission to work correctly. That 90's shirt was hard to forget.

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I got it straightened out finally. The shop in Vegas that did my rebuild on the tranny forgot to put an Oring in down deep in it so it couldn't build up pressure to shift into third. I had a friend of mine go back through it here in Illinois, he got it straight and he added a shift kit, I get 24.6 MPG and 100 MPH is 2900 RPM. I have been driving it daily in in the summers putting on at least 100 miles a day while driving it into Chicago. Its a nice highway cruiser now.

Edit: I wasnt the one wearing the shirt.

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Edit: I wasnt the one wearing the shirt.



Blame it on Dave!

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I was able to get some of the wiring harness back on the engine and transmission today. I found a thread where a member had photographed and posted to help another member out. I am gonna try to get the harness all laid out and plugged in tomorrow after work. I am glad I hadn't put the upper intake manifold on the engine yet, as some of it would have been in the way for laying down the harness.

http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...110502-2-101948.html

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Lost my job to budget cuts yesterday.I was the last person hired. I now have my mornings open for Fiero projects !!!

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Bummer about the job......but at least you can now work on the motor uninterrupted.

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Bummer about the job......but at least you can now work on the motor uninterrupted.


I was enjoying that job. Meals on Wheels delivery. But, now I can play in the garage until about 10:00am or so every day. Might just get to do some painting now too!

Gonna try to get the upper intake back on the car tomorrow am.

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Still tugging along Great job Joe

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Still tugging along Great job Joe


Yes indeed still tugging along.

I worked on the crossover exhaust pipe, and their heat shields today.

Added new gaskets for the EGR pipe for the upper intake. Little things done, start to add up.

Located my battery cables and have them ready to go. Battery all charged up and ready to go again. I am gonna add the cables and the battery to check starter engaugement tomorrow.

I wil add tomorrows progress, and maybe an undated photo of the 3.4 on the 88 cradle later tomorrow.
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I am gonna have to remove all of the alternator brackets and remove all of the engine mount bolts. Then I can raise the engine upwards. I cant get in there to add the top two motor mount nuts with the 3.4 oil pan. Must be deeper there. Oh well. I didn't have anything else to do tomorrow morning. After I get these two niuts on , I will be able to install the muffler and tail pipes back onto the engine.

The Old Fiero two step. One step forward, then two backwards.

-Joe

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Took the bolts out of the engine mount out , and raised the engine up. Put the nuts on the motor mount studs. Remounted the engine mount onto the engine. Put the nuts on the rear exhaust manifold heat shield. Installed and tightened the alternator belt. Picked up the shop a bit.

I met UND SOUIX in Conroe,Texas yesterday at 4:00pm and got the 120 MPH speedo he had for me. I am gonna remove it from the dark gray speedo surround . It is much cooler in the house, so in to get back to work. He has a fine red GT. Clean as a whistle.

As it sits this morning.

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tip.... your motor is facing the wrong direction.

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tip.... your motor is facing the wrong direction.


I had a 50-50 chance and muffed it !!!!!!! Time to take it all apart once more I guess. I should have known as the muffler was pointing the right way.
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tip.... your motor is facing the wrong direction.



Damn, I hate it when that happens.

Thats what happens when your stooped over too long.. LOL

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Used a Scotch Brite pad to scuff the dash and the speedo housing. Cleaned all parts with Alcohol. Assembled my new Harbor Freight Air Filter and oiler and regulator. I am gonna shoot the dash parts at 7:00am when it will be as cool as it will get here tomorrow. It was 106* here this afternoon. At 8:30pm it is still 97*

I used lacquer thinner to remove all of the paint on the dash from The Fiero Stores SW spray cans. The color was spot on, but it is just to hot for doing this in Texas right now. I took the dash with me to the PPG paint store. They all said the same thing. Tooooooooooo hot for spray can.

Ready to shoot:


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