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Project 2 GTs 1 Spot by skywurz
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Report this Post11-07-2020 09:23 PM Click Here to See the Profile for skywurzClick Here to visit skywurz's HomePageSend a Private Message to skywurzEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So I have found myself with 2 88 GTs a fellow forum member alerted us to a wrecking yard that was closing down. They were crushing all of their inventory and selling it as scrap this included 8 Fieros. Unfortunately they crushed 1 of them before our forum member talked with the owner and got peoples attention. They had 2 88 GTs so I took them and they pulled out the forklift and loaded them on my trailer.


Now that I have them home safe and sound i'm trying to do inventory and figure out what car to build out.




So far

Red
5spd
Sunroof
No Interior except drivers door panel and carpet.
Fiberglass damage/rot in rear passenger 1/4
missing rear brakes

White
Automatic (i want a 5spd)
Nice Interior
Missing drivers door
Front end collision damage
Rear window defroster.

So as you can see i have some decisions to make.
Do I want a sunroof or rear window defrost.
Do I want to do an interior swap or an auto to manual swap
Do I want to deal with the front end space frame damage or fiberglass rot.

I have enough parts to build 1 good GT I just don't know what the easiest best path forward. Im open to input and ideas.
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Report this Post11-08-2020 08:28 AM Click Here to See the Profile for sourmashClick Here to Email sourmashSend a Private Message to sourmashEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
The red 5 speed. [EDIT: But the white one looks better from here.]
My pick would be NO sunroof, 5 speed, but many would disagree about the roof. You can change or save the top, just remember there are nuts at the top of the windshield holding the top on near the A pillar.

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Originally posted by sourmash:

The red 5 speed. [EDIT: But the white one looks better from here.]
My pick would be NO sunroof, 5 speed, but many would disagree about the roof. You can change or save the top, just remember there are nuts at the top of the windshield holding the top on near the A pillar.



Yeah last time i pulled a roof i killed the plastic on the A pillar... I could probably do it but im not sure i want to.

Update:

After looking at the VINs turns out the red one is an 87 with a Full 88 suspension swap.

There's now no doubt in my mind im going to be putting the White GT back together. It has 86k original Miles and ran in 2016. The Red isn't an 88 last ran unknown last history for it was 08 with over 110k miles.

I will be taking the trans and all of the trans parts from the Red and swapping them into the White but ill keep the Whites engine with it. More labor than a cradle swap but i think it would be worth it.

But first ill have to pull out the front end where it was stuffed and caused this car to wind up where it was.

Edit:

Actually First im going to pull the door on the red one replace the glass with one on the shelf ( door was complete minus window it was broken) because winter is coming and i don't want the insides anymore weathered.

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Originally posted by skywurz:
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I will be taking the trans and all of the trans parts from the Red and swapping them into the White but ill keep the Whites engine with it. More labor than a cradle swap but i think it would be worth it.


Unless the red car has an 88 engine, you'll have to source the 88 or later flywheel. The 88 is neutrally balanced, where the 87 has a balance weight cast into the back of the flywheel.

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Unless the red car has an 88 engine, you'll have to source the 88 or later flywheel. The 88 is neutrally balanced, where the 87 has a balance weight cast into the back of the flywheel.

Good luck!


Thanks! this is the first I heard that there was a difference in flywheels. I will check the casting numbers after I drop the engine on the red car. I would not be surprised if they had swapped the full rear cradle from an 88 when they swapped all of the suspension... This also means I should probably run a compression check on it vs the White car. I was working on the assumption that the Red engine was a 120k engine but the White car is 86k and ran when parked.... ... .. .

Anyway slight update. I found that the Red car was originally an Illinois and Missouri car. So i went out to check for rust.... and its done the space frame is done. Maybe why they decided to swap suspension is because the original was eaten away... but yeah the space frame is rusted out in some key areas. I did not notice because it was a 5spd GT and I got tunnel vision on that.
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Report this Post11-11-2020 03:37 PM Click Here to See the Profile for skywurzClick Here to visit skywurz's HomePageSend a Private Message to skywurzEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So I pulled the door from my parts car... unfortunately the door skin is not a GT skin... also the interior panel had been open to the elements and is moldy. the door frame was also really banged up. I decided to pull the extra door shell i had on the shelf and the extra glass i had on the shelf and remove the power components from the parts car door and install them onto my spare door.


Parts Car Door.



Rebuilt door


I installed it on the car. I followed the original markings i had for window alignment and it seemed to fit just right



I hooked everything up and decided to test if the electrics work.



To my joy they did and the window rolled right up and lined up.

I decided that I wanted to see if it would start.

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Wow - most impressive! I can't believe the electric window worked and the car fired up to boot! Good luck - keep us in the loop...
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Report this Post11-12-2020 10:26 PM Click Here to See the Profile for skywurzClick Here to visit skywurz's HomePageSend a Private Message to skywurzEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So I took some time today with a slide hammer and a hydraulic ram and worked on the frame.


I got to the point that i decided that i should do some dry fitting and start checking how things align.

Bumper Check


Bumper Cover Check




Hood....


Hood..??!!??! #^#%
It bolts up but its too far rear.

It seems to lineup left to right and up and down its just about 1/4" too far to the rear and the adjustments are maxed out. im not sure how im going to go about this.

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Report this Post11-14-2020 09:39 PM Click Here to See the Profile for skywurzClick Here to visit skywurz's HomePageSend a Private Message to skywurzEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So it was raining yesterday and i did not do much so no update.

But today I hit it hard... multiple times... with a hammer...

First I had to address this.


I pull the hood back off


I bring the metal bits back together and weld them


I button it up on the other side


Throw some paint on my welds


After some tweaking my body lines look good its no longer too far back




I can now close the hood

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Report this Post11-16-2020 08:51 PM Click Here to See the Profile for skywurzClick Here to visit skywurz's HomePageSend a Private Message to skywurzEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
Minimal update today as I spent it pulling apart the parts car. I made some ok progress on the parts car but because its getting colder wetter and darker sooner. I pulled the hood and radiator and have been comparing the parts on the red to the white so i can get the radiator back in place with condenser properly.

I am thinking that I may keep this white car an auto for awhile just until i get the paperwork fixed and some inspections done in regards to getting the paperwork fixed. Then i can go into monkeying with things like putting in a manual transmission. Unfortunately this leaves me short a radiator and plus 1 GT. The 2 radiators i have on the shelf are for manuals. I can order a new one for about $120. I think i will go that route but im not sure when I am going to pull the trigger. There is a lot to do before I need the radiator. At this point im probably going to focus on getting this Red gt pulled down to the sub frame and parts sorted and stored properly.

I crawled under the white GT today to inspect for forklift damage and found that along with the fuel line i already knew was damaged the heater line has been crushed flat the width of a the forklift fork. I know the car will start and run if I get gas into the rails. Im just a little overwhelmed as to what side to start on.

So far the TO-DO to get it to start and run and move under its own power.
Steering column reinstall
Gas Tank drop and clean out
fuel line replace.
Radiator
Heater line replace.

This is the minimum list for me to be able to move this project into my garage so that i can work more comfortably.

The full list is something like

Steering column reinstall
Gas Tank drop and clean out
fuel line replace. +filter
Exhaust (missing cat and muffler)
Radiator
Heater line replace.
Airbox reinstall (its missing that too.)
Headlight install
Front wiring harness swap or repair. (the section that crosses from the drivers side to the passenger side in front of the radiator was severed. Its only 10 wires or so. Im debating on just repairing it or swapping in a different harness... however the only 87/88 harness i have is also a bit jacked... I could swap in a 85-86 harness and use one of the many many 85-86 light assemblies i have around and save myself the trouble of rebuilding the 1 set of 87/88 motors i have... )
Fluid flush
Suspension inspection.

Im also torn because i have a parts car that needs to get consolidated and gone so i can move in the parts car for my wife's 85 SE project and get that consolidated and gone as well so that i can be back down to one million cars instead of this one million and 2 situation... This means working out in the cold... invalidating the need to get the 88 GT into the garage right away.. Except for the days its too cold and wet to work outside I suppose.. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ first world problems.

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Report this Post11-22-2020 10:53 PM Click Here to See the Profile for skywurzClick Here to visit skywurz's HomePageSend a Private Message to skywurzEdit/Delete MessageReply w/QuoteDirect Link to This Post
So I have been chugging along with some things. I picked up some parts from the wrecking yard i got the cars from. I also got the paperwork from the yard for the cars!!!

I spent most of the afternoon with my family at the wrecking yard Friday. My wife helped find the paperwork for our cars plus the paperwork for a car a fellow forum member picked up. Meanwhile I pulled parts i needed from the cars left at the yard.

Saturday I worked on pulling down the Red GT more. I also tried my hand at lock smithing. I pulled apart about 5 door locks and rearranged the tumblers to make a matching lock for the replacement door. I also glued a 1/4 window back together... Im not sure if it's the best idea but will probably be ok until i want to drop money on replacements.

Today I pulled the Red GT down some more. I also painted a GT door skin i had gotten from wrecking yard.

I'm not sure if the car used to be that color or if the codes i used are off. Once i get some lock parts in (i had to order new spring retainers as i broke every set i tried to remove.) I will then attach the door skin.
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