I can go with another Powermaster 9004 or upgrade to a better starter. I also see there is a Powermaster 9100 that is rated higher and doesn't cost as much.
The powermaster 9004 I have been using worked great for the 2 years it was on the car. The wire to the motor is burnt, not in two but its burnt. I haven't pulled it apart but I bet the solenoid is bad and caused the issue. Either way I will have to replace the starter.
I just want to document what everyone is using so I can make an informed decision.
Ok I found one of these local. The guy that has it says it should work for me. But that said I want to see if anyone has any experience with this starter. What interests me about this starter is it will rotate 360 degrees.
I wont have to pay for shipping and can bring it home tomorrow.
**This is not the normal starter configuration that Archie uses. If I get it I will be on my own For the price and how much it rotates I may get it and see if it will work. My kit is a standard and has more room than the auto kits so I may get lucky.
I'm not familiar with that last one, but I can definitely say (from experience) that being able to rotate it 360* is a major plus! I probably spent more time on getting that right with the oil filter remote adapter than any other one thing on my swap. Egor.
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What I worry about is being able to rotate it enough without hitting the cradle. Its already necessary to cut down the block before you can even test fit the starter so once I get it and alter the block I cant return it. If I cant make it work I will be out the money.
Ok I found one of these local. The guy that has it says it should work for me. But that said I want to see if anyone has any experience with this starter. What interests me about this starter is it will rotate 360 degrees.
I wont have to pay for shipping and can bring it home tomorrow.
**This is not the normal starter configuration that Archie uses. If I get it I will be on my own For the price and how much it rotates I may get it and see if it will work. My kit is a standard and has more room than the auto kits so I may get lucky.
I installed this starter a few minutes ago. First thought is it fits as well as the Powermaster 9004 if not better but there are some issues. The starter sometimes spins up faster than it can engage the flywheel. The mounting block had to be cut down and the holes had to be drilled out. But the starter I took off had similar issues so it could be the block supplied with the kit.
The starter spins the motor over just fine and faster than the old starter.
The oil relocation kit has much more space than the old one The clearence is better as well but the power stud is in a bad spot.
I love the way this starter fits the car. But the quality of the Procomp starter is not very good and you can see the difference compared to the first one I posted a picture of. The starter spins really fast but it starts spinning before it engages the flywheel. I hoped that it was just because its new but it continues to be an issue.
The fit is so much better than the other starter, I may just spend the money and get a good quality starter. This one is mine, I modified it and voided the warranty but it was worth it to find out these starters fit.
My first Powermaster lasted about 1 month. Never again. Yes it was cheap. I wouldn't trust a Procomp for a long trip either. I forgot the brand I bought out of the top of my head but I remember paying about $300 for it. 7+ years no issues.
My first Powermaster lasted about 1 month. Never again. Yes it was cheap. I wouldn't trust a Procomp for a long trip either. I forgot the brand I bought out of the top of my head but I remember paying about $300 for it. 7+ years no issues.
I have the CVS starter on my v8 swap. 10+ years no issue. With this starter the clearance between the starter and the oil filter adaptor allowed me to run both oil lines off the adaptor instead of plugging one on the adaptor and running it off the oil pressure port on the side of the block as Archie normally does. I also used a ford style remote solenoid so I only have a hot lead to the starter when cranking [run 12v cable from the remote solenoid to the 12v post on the starter, jumper the starter mounted solenoid post to the 12v post on the starter, works great and no hot lead down to starter while driving]
just out of curosity can you mount a 4.9 starter to it? not the stock one but the one most people use for the 4.9 which would be a allente 4.5 gear reduction starter. it looks to have similar bolt hole to your block adapter plate.
If a stock 350 mini starter will bolt to it then yes
There are not a lot of choices. I just need something that I can get out of the way of the remote oil filter and that requires more rotation than the powermaster that I had. The ProComp 2105 fits great its just a junk starter, I should have read more about it but I was in a hurry and found one local so I leaped before I looked.
The CVR 5323 has the same configuration but it just looks like its built a lot better. If that one doesn't work going to put the lot in the mall and buy a Mustang
just out of curosity can you mount a 4.9 starter to it? not the stock one but the one most people use for the 4.9 which would be a allente 4.5 gear reduction starter. it looks to have similar bolt hole to your block adapter plate.
No, it's completely different. It also probably won't clear the oil adapter.
http://www.summitracing.com/parts/CVS-5323/ The starter is installed and its night and day from the Procomp starter. But what a pain in the ass to get shimmed, the mounting plate isn't centered in the same place as the last two and I had to shim it where the last two didn't require any shims. But its in and I have accomplished my goal of this thread and perhaps given us another option when having to replace our starters.
The CVS starter is not only heaver its a little bigger but it fit and I will be able to use both ports of my oil adapter and not tap the block. I plan on using the port in the block for a oil pressure safety switch.
I will keep everyone updated.
PS.. My water pump went out, I put 30000 miles on it and the motor finally gave out. I have a new one that I ordered the same time as the starter and will be installing it this week.
Nice thread, real nice to see there are starters out there that allow the oil filter adapter to be used as intended! I don't think I have that option any longer with my transmission swap (and altering of the flywheel), but still good to see.
I'm in the market for a new starter as well now... has that more recent starter held up well for you? Any other complaints or issues?
(edit - just in case L67 is subscribed - yes I know the link to the starter he's using won't work on my car, just interested in his opinion to give me an idea of the company's build quality).
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Nice thread, real nice to see there are starters out there that allow the oil filter adapter to be used as intended! I don't think I have that option any longer with my transmission swap (and altering of the flywheel), but still good to see.
I'm in the market for a new starter as well now... has that more recent starter held up well for you? Any other complaints or issues?
(edit - just in case L67 is subscribed - yes I know the link to the starter he's using won't work on my car, just interested in his opinion to give me an idea of the company's build quality).
The starter has held up well, starts the car without any issues and no struggle. My engine is 10-1 compression and it spins it without any struggle at all, my previous starters both started out like that then slowed down after a few months. My engine is mounted in the lower holes on the mounts, if someone were to use the upper holes instead there would be even more room for the starter but it fits the car well and the wires are tucked up between the block and starter not on the bottom so I don't have to worry about it hitting the cradle when I'm working on the car.
Just a follow up on the starter. As you know the way the Archie mounting block is use it needs the two inside holes on the starter block, well always measure twice and cut once. LOL I cut both sides of the block down, it wont effect anything but it did make the mounting block smaller. Hey I saved weight, its all about saving weight. Ok I got in a hurry and marked the wrong side, but it turned out ok. Anyway I did try to swap the block I already cut down and the blocks were close but not exactly the same so I ended up cutting my new starter block instead of using the one already cut down.
I have no issues with the starter, the reason this one failed is it was subject to water and sat without any heat cycles to dry it out. There is a weep hole on the starter that when installed in the Fiero is up instead of down. So it filled up with water and sat till it rusted. I will replace the starter with the same one but I will be sealing the weep hole and drill a new one in the bottom. (same reason my water pump failed)
Going to order the new one today, well live and learn.
I never had a problem with an OEM replacement starter on mine. Worked fine with the 350 and 383 stroker. Ive never put much reliability in aftermarket performance stuff.
I never had a problem with an OEM replacement starter on mine. Worked fine with the 350 and 383 stroker. Ive never put much reliability in aftermarket performance stuff.
What kind of transmission were you running? I don't know that there are any OEM starters that work with the standard transmissions and Archie V8 kits.
The starter has good reviews its just not setup to run upside down. I will plug the weep hole and drill a new one and it should be fine. The same thing with the water pump.
Honestly I caused this by leaving the car out in the weather and being to aggressive with engine degreasers and the power washer. I have taken steps to correct this and will invest in a cover if I have to leave the car out in the weather.
On my archie auto kit ( with a 440T4, 4T60, and a 4T60-E) I used a tildon starter first. it lasted for years. Rusted when it was off the car. I have always got the same type of starter, just non a tildon, and used them with the modifided tildon block. Non of them were ever as good as the tildon.
