Summit SUM-820323-M

V8 Archie kit in a 5 speed car

http://store.summitracing.c...N=700+0&autoview=sku

Racecar cranking power.
Summit® lightweight Nippondenso-type Protorque starters offer a 4.0:1 gear-reduction ratio and a whopping 1.9 HP. That's 222 ft.-lbs of racecar cranking power. If that's not enough, there are even more powerful 3.1 HP monsters, which are a pound lighter! They have a 4.44:1 reduction ratio and churn out an awesome 342 ft.-lbs. of torque. Both of these powerhouses are suitable for engines up to 502 c.i.d., and compression ratios of up to 18.0:1. GM versions are adjustable for four mounting positions; Ford types, for 18. A gold dichromate finish prevents corrosion and electrical shorts on both.


Anyone using this starter?
My Titon gave up the ghost, I can stop it with my fingers on the bench. I cant find it on Summit and the difference in price is staggering.

[This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 02-10-2009).]

Have you checked out pro-tork starters? I use one in my stock car, solid and reliable for 3 years, good price, nice and light too...

Just the first one I found, still a 4:1 and 2HP
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymot...mQQitemZ200295160460

-Jay

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87 GT Stock 2.8L 5spd
86 GT Northstar 5spd

[This message has been edited by edmjay (edited 02-10-2009).]

I just checked and the one I have been running for years is now discontinued...
http://store.summitracing.c...N=700+0&autoview=sku

It was only $157.95 4 or 5 years ago.

The one I posted is $229.95 The Titon replacement is twice that much.
I sent Archie an e-mail but its late and I don't want to call him this late. I will give him a call and probably go with what ever he suggests, not something I want to install more than once every 20 years

I have had good luck with the Powermaster 9004 - it's longer and stronger than the 9000 but it fits Archie's adapter plate.

quote Originally posted by Fiero2m8: I have had good luck with the Powermaster 9004 - it's longer and stronger than the 9000 but it fits Archie's adapter plate.

http://store.summitracing.c...700+115&autoview=sku
Well that ones only $199.95 and it looks like some of the pictures others have posted.

Thanks for the heads up.

quote Originally posted by Fiero2m8: I have had good luck with the Powermaster 9004 - it's longer and stronger than the 9000 but it fits Archie's adapter plate.

Yes, that one would be a bolt on.

Archie

quote Originally posted by Archie: Yes, that one would be a bolt on. Archie

Thanks Archie good enough, I will be placing an order payday. Grrrr I want to drive my Fiero.

quote Originally posted by Archie: Yes, that one would be a bolt on. Archie

Yeah Archie, that's the one we discussed on the phone and I decided to try it because it uses the same mounting block - It was a direct swap.
The PDF on the Summit link confirms it in the same column as the PWM-9000

Here's a scan of my instructions page 1:


It did crank the LT1 quicker and with less effort.

Ryan

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Indy Northstar-Stretch ~ LT1-NOS Roadster

Thanks!
+'s all around. Ok one + the rest of you already had one.

well I think I figured out what happened. My oil filter relocation kit was leaking out of the bolt holes and onto the starter. I never thought it would get inside of the starter, but I pulled it apart today to see if it was just the brushes and it has oil all inside of it. The brushes look ok and the inside of the starter looks to be in great shape. It just didn't have any power. I will get some break cleaner and WD40 and see if I can clean it up.
If it doesn't work I will only be out for the brake cleaner and WD40.

You know what the inside of a 100000 mile valve cover looks like? Thats what the inside of the starter looks like before I cleaned it.

[This message has been edited by Jake_Dragon (edited 02-11-2009).]

Jake, I had a similar leak in the past and switched the remote filter adapter to this one that seals with o-rings - it also gives more clearance to the starter (good if you're using an auto trans)

Fiero2m8

I have a 5 speed, the leak was/is at the bolt holes not the gasket. I will give them another shot of sealer while I have the starter out.

If you have the standard Moroso adapter the gasket has also to go around the bolts to seal that area too. If not then oil will go out there. When you build that gasket you can't go to thin there. That will minimize any leak. Then as added measure you add a gob of silicon to the bolts at the bottom before tightening. All has to be very clean for silicon to stick.

I made my own gasket but while the starter is out I will be redoing the adapter. I have done everything to seal these bolts and I think the internal gasket has to be leaking, my oil pressure is anywhere from 40 to 75 PSI
Going to be a Fiero weekend I guess.

Fiero2m8 do you have a part number for your adapter?

Well the starter works fine after I cleaned all of the oil out of it.
But the oil adapter plate is still leaking
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/099218.html

Back for round 2 after cleaning up the starter and fixing the oil leak I had good luck with it but now the starter is struggling to turn over the engine. I will pull it and see if i can clean it up again but it sounds like it has finally said enough is enough so I will be getting the powermaster 9004 from Jegs as I have a gift certificate that I have to use before it expires.

My first cheap Powermaster lasted one week. Then I got this CSR. Five years and 20K miles wiht it. Expensive but I think worth every penny.

http://www.jegs.com/i/CSR/170/100P/10002/-1

quote Originally posted by Alex4mula: My first cheap Powermaster lasted one week. Then I got this CSR. Five years and 20K miles wiht it. Expensive but I think worth every penny. http://www.jegs.com/i/CSR/170/100P/10002/-1

Will that work with a 70s block? Another $100 would be ok if I knew it would last.
I think my starter would still be ok if it wasn't for the oil soaking it got from the oil filter adapter.

quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: Will that work with a 70s block? Another $100 would be ok if I knew it would last. I think my starter would still be ok if it wasn't for the oil soaking it got from the oil filter adapter.

Don't know. Mine is an 88+ block

It probably will, the only worry would be if the oil adapter is lower. Haven't pulled the old one off yet will probably do that this weekend.