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I'm repainting a 1988 GT thread by pastor Dennis
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Hey Gang, I painted a black 88GT I had back in 09 and I bought this one a while back and now it's time for her paint. I really haven't recovered from all the sanding on the last one ! lol
Well, here goes. In a couple weeks, she's gonna shine again !
Like I said last time - If I can do this.....anybody can.
Thanks again for all the pointers and help. You are all a great group !

(for those that remember, I got into Camaro's for just a bit - redid a 2002 SS. Planned on continuing, but Fiero's are addictive ! )

ok, here's the before pics

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These are all before any sanding.
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Here's some more that give a better illustration after buffing out the peeling clearcoat.



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Then came a really good bath followed by grease, tar, and wax removal (yuck)
Quarter window are out (new ones have arrived !)

Gas cap door, wing, and plates all removed.

Began sading / putty



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Paint looged great under where the wing was

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After sanding with 220 twice, here's how she looks tonight after dusting her off.

I tried to feather the trunk best I could.





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i would take off the molding makes the painting process easier.
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I'd love to paint my Fiero. Keep those pics and tips coming please. I'll be following this thread closely.
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How does the door trim come off?
I see the side markers have small screws...
I was just gonna tape em off and paint. Is removing them really the better way?
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Originally posted by pastor Dennis:

How does the door trim come off?
I see the side markers have small screws...
I was just gonna tape em off and paint. Is removing them really the better way?
thx


Removing the markers is simple ... removing the trim will be a PIA .... you will need new trim retainers as they are brittle and get destroyed when removing them ....

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well, I removed the driver's side trim and of course broke the tabs. I notice the Fiero Store sells the little white clips. I'm assuming they push in and the black door trim snaps onto them.
yeah, sounds simple !
I guess I will remove all the trim b4 painting.
tempted to by the whole car trim kit as the DS front is broken.

the battle continues
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well, I removed the driver's side trim and of course broke the tabs. I notice the Fiero Store sells the little white clips. I'm assuming they push in and the black door trim snaps onto them.
yeah, sounds simple !
I guess I will remove all the trim b4 painting.
tempted to by the whole car trim kit as the DS front is broken.

the battle continues


If you're dead set on painting the car with the panels on, at least do yourself a big favor and remove the mirrors and the headlight doors too.

Here's how I painted my Fiero:
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...130314-2-101963.html
(scroll down the page and you'll find it.)

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Originally posted by pastor Dennis:

I'm assuming they push in and the black door trim snaps onto them.


I know nothing about body work or painting... but it might be the other way around. Attach them to the trim, and then push them into the holes on the panel.
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Sweet !
Thanks guys
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I know nothing about body work or painting... but it might be the other way around. Attach them to the trim, and then push them into the holes on the panel.


Patrick is correct here. I just reinstalled door pieces and the clips will attach to the black trim first, and then push the trim into the panels. Take a good look at the backside of the black trim pieces, the new white clips are intended to be placed very specifically within raised impressions in the moulding. Pop the clip in wrong and it will not line up. Then you're risking breakage of the new clips as you pry them back out.
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If you're going to remove the belt molding (which you definitely should) you might as well order new mounting clips from TFS. They're brittle and always break.
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If you're going to remove the belt molding (which you definitely should) you might as well order new mounting clips from TFS. They're brittle and always break.


Take the inner door panels off. You can then get at the mounting clips to push them out.
But as N_T says - get some new clips as you're likely to need some.

Stripping off all the moldings off gives the best access to paint everything (as opposed to masking).



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Awesome. Thanks guys. Definitely gonna pull all the trim and buy extra clips.

I noticed the front windshield seal has shrunk considerably. I'll post a pic later. So the plan is to cut off the outer seal, sand some more, paint, then replace the windshield.

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More sanding (yuck)

Goal is to putty the rock chips smooth (yes, again) and continue sanding.

Plan to prime the entire car Monday
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Lotta work been done. Time to update the thread with pictures
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Door trim coming off.

clip. (yeah, they break)

Window seal gap.

Taping for sprayed black.
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More Sanding !!

Painted the mirrors, rain rail, engine guards, etc





Tape



I'm having way too much fun !!
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You are at the fun part now.
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Id recommend something along the lines of unscrewing the screws along the edge of the wheel wells and mask it off so you don't paint the black wheel wells.
etc.

Unless you are painting black, also the doorjams may get overspray thru the crack.

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I did, thanks.

Getting ready for 2 coats primer...





Second coat...



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Now, I get to sand again !!

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Not bad for 9 days of work
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Another tip, double check your masking tape, it can tend to peel back and possibly get in the way, don't be afraid to put a bunch more on there.

out of curiosity are you using anything to control humidity/ dust/ bugs? Do you plan of buffing it after?
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Did you pull the seal around the windshield? I wonder what the options are, do I have to remove the windshield or is the rubber seal good enough?
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Thanks 2.5, I definitely need to redo a bit of the tape. We actually had some good weather fairly consistent even for Missouri. The garage has a large attic fan Im pulling the air thru with and we built a paint booth and vacuumed the whole garage twice. Haven't noticed any dust problems (yet) and keeping a close watch on it.
Sanding the primer is painstakingly slow, but I know I need to do this well for the overall good.
The goal is to complete the sanding Friday and shoot 2 coats of color (red 81) and 3 coats of clear Saturday

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I went to an auto glass place and they said to just cut out the seal. That made repairs to roof flaking a lot easier. Their new seal will be slightly larger.
I will probably go ahead and get a new windshield when it's done. Just a matter of waiting on funds
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Should have removed the mirrors...
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Sanded primer. Smooth and clean. Checked the tape, ran compressed air thru the gaps, wet down the floor and put on two coats of red (81) color followed by 3 coats of clear.
Tape comes off next. I'll post pics tomorrow. Tired but looks fantastic !
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No fair...suspense!!!! Lol

I haven't sprayed one yet, but last time I prepped a fiero it was going from maroon to white so I took all the panels off. Even gfx off door panels etc. I now own 4 kinds of rivet guns...lol

Watching this with interest as I plan to spray my own
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Sorry for the suspense lol
It does look pretty good. I only took a few pics with the tape off and I'll post em tonight.

I will be buffing, tho, as there were some pin pricks in the clear. But it certainly does shine with 3 coats of clear.

I'll be spraying the side trim tonight. Plus I need to take off and spray the windshield wiper arms. Does this ever end? lol

As you can imagine, this has been an absolute blast. I am having loads of fun. Thanks for all your kind comments.

I"ve also got a new spintec muffler and new exhaust tips to install. and Windshield.....


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Anybody know what I did with the Gas Cap Housing screws !!
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Anybody know what I did with the Gas Cap Housing screws !!


You put them in that cup over there
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Taped off the door and inside to spray the jamb



and did the underside of the wing
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