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calling all 3800 SC nuts!! i finally did it!! i got a new Fiero. by batousai666
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You really need to upgrade the the front brakes to at least the grand am rotors and calipers to match the rear. It is going to be be dangerous with it setup like you have now.

Solid rotors are bad.


When removing the summer tires to put on the winter tires I do not recall seeing solid rotors on the front, and I looked at the pads to see how much life was left. The fronts are vented. My understanding is/was solids only come on the rears of pre 88. In all my years of selling GM vehicles (35) I have only seen solids on the rear. It stops quite well after pumping several times. I have to bleed some air out of the system that was in it when I bought it. PO didnt seem to think it was bad, I on the other hand do.

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All pre '88 fieros had solid rotors. You may have grand am brakes on the front then if they are vented. It will take different pad part number than the rear. It's also not safe to have better pads in the rear than the front. For example, Yellowstuff in the rear Redstuff in the front. They both should be the same or have yellowstuff in the front and redstuff in the back.

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Darned! Those donkeys! I cant believe GM would be so stinkin cheap. Yep you are correct. solid rotors in the front. What was Pontiac thinking? I think I will look at all the pads available or just get EBC for the front. Or just sell this and look for a good 88.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

Sorry Bat for steeling your thread.

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sorry we got hit again...by the money monster!
the lake effect snow machine keeps a givin then we got 2 storms in a row

I Far I- the Series is II for that little extra something

Naw, Solo....no worries. i learn just as much as anybody.
anyway, thats what the "Net" is for, eh??

Thanks Justin, for all your sage's wisdom


i got the puppies all around....and will get the new pads.
i am sure i will go thru any type pad like cheese thru a greater. but again thats "what they are for"

later i got to see a lot about some snow..the lot spreader is down and i have to hand salt the parking spots
mo' money mo' money

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Darned! Those donkeys! I cant believe GM would be so stinkin cheap. Yep you are correct. solid rotors in the front. What was Pontiac thinking? I think I will look at all the pads available or just get EBC for the front. Or just sell this and look for a good 88.

Thanks for the enlightenment.

Sorry Bat for steeling your thread.

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solo just do a brake upgrade to the front, grand am or whatever and you will be good.
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Some day when the funds are available.
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I have the EBC Red pads with stock 88 Calipers on my 88 GT with a 3800 SC III. They work well along with the 12 inch Corvette rotors I have. I do need to replace the front calipers since they are making a cruching noise which is usually due to the bore being worn or rusted. And my one back caliper needs replacement too. That is what you get with a car that is that old, things start to go after a while.
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let there be no mistaking.........


yahoo answers-
Hitokiri, literally meaning "Human Slayer", is a superlative name for this particular caliber of samurai.

☆Battōsai (抜刀斎) is a term used in the fictional universe of the manga and anime series Rurouni Kenshin. The name is romanized as Battōsai in the English manga and Battousai in the English anime.

Battōsai is the nickname for a particular swordsman, the protagonist in Rurouni Kenshin, who was skilled in battōjutsu (抜刀術, a technique that requires unsheathing the blade in one fluid motion). Battō (抜刀) literally means "sword drawing" and sai (斎) is a suffix added to pen names or professional working names.

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battōjutsu (抜刀術, a technique that requires unsheathing the blade in one fluid motion). Battō (抜刀) literally means "sword drawing" and sai (斎) is a suffix added to pen names or professional working names.



This must be the predecessor of modern day Iaido, the Japanese art of the sword draw.
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This must be the predecessor of modern day Iaido, the Japanese art of the sword draw.


yeah or something like that
either by shear speed or the massive sucking of air thru the supercharger....a vaccum will be created some how for the win



this one cuts quicker to the chase and the point;}

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the added goodies i seem to have......
"autolite 104s, 3 inch exhaust, 4inch cold air intake, and 180* thermostat as well as the Modular Pulley System with the 3.4". no Cat
how many horsepowers does them make?? extra??


i just need the "U-bend Delete" if that applies and some Pacesetters maybe. found a how bunch of info about KR too.... ZZP,baby!
http://shop.zzperformance.c...esetter-Headers.aspx
headquartered 54 miles or so away wonder if they need a posterchild??

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hummm....very strange. how come the series III engines have such large pulleys if smaller is better??
did i miss something??
Works on:

3800 Series II and 3800 Series III supercharged vehicles.

97-03 Grand Prix & 04+ supercharged Impala & Monte Carlo SS
3.5 pulley totally stock car

3.4 pulley Colder Tstat & spark plugs, downpipe, Cold air intake (still could have KR)

3.3 pulley all of the above plus a VS cam, SS intercooler, or headers

3.2 pulley 3.4 mods and a XP cam

3.0 pulley 3.4 mods and a fullsize intercooler or an SS ic and a VS cam. Anything smaller than a 3.0 pulley will require a camshaft, headers, intercooler & injectors.

04-05 GTP or Comp G & 06 GT supercharged
3.8 pulley totally stock car

3.6 pulley Colder Tstat & spark plugs, downpipe, Cold air intake (still could have KR)

3.4 pulley all of the above plus a VS cam, or SS intercooler

3.3 pulley 3.4 mods and a XP cam

3.2 pulley 3.4 mods and a fullsize intercooler or an SS ic and a VS cam.

Anything smaller than a 3.0 pulley will require a camshaft, headers, intercooler & injectors

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Hey bat one of the people there is in the middle of a 3800 SC swap into a Fiero.


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i just need the "U-bend Delete" if that applies and some Pacesetters maybe.

how come the series III engines have such large pulleys if smaller is better??
did i miss something??
Works on:



It applies to the W body exhaust setup. You don't need one.

Series III have the Gen V M90 and it is more efficient thus you can use a bigger pulley and make the same boost with less heat than the Gen III = Moar Powah !

Smaller pulley = more boost + more heat = possibility of KR Thus, in order to eliminate KR you need to add headers, CAM, IC, etc.
You just can put on a smaller pulley without supporting mods or you WILL get too much KR and could damage the engine.
So, if there is too much Knock then PCM WILL retard the timing in order NOT to damage the engine.

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THANKS! i got my head around the KR thing, i hope.
after i left here i got in deep. i see that i do not need the Ubend delete...which is good.
but i asked about the pulley because the Series III seemed to need the extra mods and money spent just to keep up with the Series II.
i see that the newer is better...it just struck me as odd thanks again....
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The next thing to wrap your head around is that more boost PSI does not equal power. It's ricer math that others like to compare against. The more air you can flow with less PSI the better. You will make more power safely.

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skip all the supercharged steps and go turbo!
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The next thing to wrap your head around is that more boost PSI does not equal power. It's ricer math that others like to compare against. The more air you can flow with less PSI the better. You will make more power safely.



right on!!
i dont do math.....cept the numbers on timeslips
since i want to track race, for me its not about WOT/Power!! it will be a nice blend of both power and handling


i like the SC for the "on demand" boost no lag . seems like a turbo would hurt me on a track like GingerMan??
plus i aint got that kind of Money you turbo guys have. i got a Gem for the price i paid so i will just run with what i got.
plus with my Luck, i will find a Turbo'd 3800 already dun for a song. i almost bought "The Akursed X" when it was on the block, but no job had me scared.

this time however, with eyes wide open, I pulled the trigger and hit the center, not "dead center" but real close

keep them tips a comming, i got sooo much ahead of me.
thank you all for your support and knowledge.....its very appreciated.
i was up late searching the PFF archives. started with one Acronym...... "ZZP"
after 13 pages i went to bed.....I got plenty more for today.

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dan who is zz and why does he have to p? lol
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Are you drag racing or road racing???? If you want to go around Gingerman faster, dont waste $$ on engine mods, BUT spend it on the suspension, brakes and tires!
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Road racing is always about handling and braking, more so than hp or tq. although hp and tq will make a difference once the car is set up. have fun danno.
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Are you drag racing or road racing???? If you want to go around Gingerman faster, dont waste $$ on engine mods, BUT spend it on the suspension, brakes and tires!
Steve W.
NE Grand Rapids, MI


yer killin me here Mike ZZP are the 3800 specialists


Steve, the car came......Installed



and the.......i do need new pads.


with the fatty 18" racing wheels i am good i think. the tires are pretty much new and i got a full front poly swap kit with the purchase
pretty sweet deal all around.all thats left to mod is headers and exhaust. i could get an InnerCooler?? and i got the 104 plugs and the works for the low knock recipe, too. kid did a nice job as far as 4 test drives are concerned.

i think i heed to get under it and look for some kind of Dog bone....i do not see one in the half frozen pics i took.
but as long as the snow piles up i have greater access to the stuff i will eventually need to be content. which is new for me

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Yep, on my car PO installed poly all around, 88 cradle and bigger sway bars front and rear, 17x 8 front 18 x 9 rear Yokohama S tires. I am thinking of doing 17's all around for a "handling" vehicle and not a drag racer. Rear coil overs are to stiff and I want to change them for better handling. I was into the 1/4 mile when I was younger, but now prefer a vehicle that can take corners flat!
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Yep, on my car PO installed poly all around, 88 cradle and bigger sway bars front and rear, 17x 8 front 18 x 9 rear Yokohama S tires. I am thinking of doing 17's all around for a "handling" vehicle and not a drag racer. Rear coil overs are to stiff and I want to change them for better handling. I was into the 1/4 mile when I was younger, but now prefer a vehicle that can take corners flat!


here we go then you should try to make this date
http://www.gingermanraceway...tral-states-region-1
bring it dont sing it, i always say
soooooooooo cant wait. i made a couple of friends over the last 2 years, but had no ride of my own.
i was a little self concious bringing my Mera to a "Ferrari" day for the obvious reasons.
but now with this 3800 sc Fiero, i will be more of a contender in the right spot... .. their rear views

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Talk to the 3800 guys to be sure, i have no idea about 3800sc's, but in other high performance cars most like air to water intercoolers. other than the obvious porsche guys who like air to air. see what the 3800 guys like and run.
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Talk to the 3800 guys to be sure, i have no idea about 3800sc's, but in other high performance cars most like air to water intercoolers. other than the obvious porsche guys who like air to air. see what the 3800 guys like and run.


yulp....i scanned the3800 websites already. for me finanically an innercooler is a bit off.
headers and exhaust system in the interum.....honestly i like what i got now, tho.
a Dyno test this Spring to see where i stand and that frees up money for the Mera!!
i think a 3.4L in that will be cool. at least i got a new goal to achive.
seeing as i knocked another one down with this purchase
i am running out of "Bucket List" stuff....well i guess "the best places to see" catagory just opened up wide......

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Have you talked with ZZP? How cool is having THE 3800 experts in our back yard?


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Have you talked with ZZP? How cool is having THE 3800 experts in our back yard?


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nope....but that proximity will save a ton on shipping
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nope....but that proximity will save a ton on shipping


I mentioned earlier that one of the guys is doing a 3800 Fiero swap.
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I mentioned earlier that one of the guys is doing a 3800 Fiero swap.


someone you know?? i hope
i wondered if they have Mech/tech's to "Tune" and if so do they have an inspection package?
i dont see that kind of stuff on their site, just parts. but you say "one of the guys"...
is he doing it for himself, or for a guy like on contract??
it would be nice to have a 3800 specific Mech that knows Fieros....thats the best and the best!!

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When I was there a few months ago I believe Steve said he as building a fiero. They do mechanical work but I'm not sure if they have worked on a fiero before.

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When I was there a few months ago I believe Steve said he as building a fiero. They do mechanical work but I'm not sure if they have worked on a fiero before.



well its high time they think about it. they just got 2 new customers if they do
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well its high time they think about it. they just got 2 new customers if they do
thanks for the info


Its probable that you could come to us for 3800 fiero work if you wanted to come to flint... We are much cheaper than zzp usually.
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Its probable that you could come to us for 3800 fiero work if you wanted to come to flint... We are much cheaper than zzp usually.


That is because ZZP is insured in case if something goes wrong. They pay payroll taxes, sales tax, and income tax. Im sure their overhead is more than yours, so obviously you could probably do it for 25% of what ZZP charges. I throw out that number because as a shop owner, that is my cut of the sales. If you are more than 25% of ZZP, then technically you are charging too much.
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That is because ZZP is insured in case if something goes wrong. They pay payroll taxes, sales tax, and income tax. Im sure their overhead is more than yours, so obviously you could probably do it for 25% of what ZZP charges. I throw out that number because as a shop owner, that is my cut of the sales. If you are more than 25% of ZZP, then technically you are charging too much.


You really are clueless aren't you.

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You really are clueless aren't you.



I actually was just busting your chops, but yeah....clueless...lol
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That is because ZZP is insured in case if something goes wrong. They pay payroll taxes, sales tax, and income tax. Im sure their overhead is more than yours, so obviously you could probably do it for 25% of what ZZP charges. I throw out that number because as a shop owner, that is my cut of the sales. If you are more than 25% of ZZP, then technically you are charging too much.

thanks for that. i say its good to help all around....i help them in turn they help me help someone else or vice versa.


the cool thing with the ZZP proximity is that since they got the parts and if they work on cars too. well win win.
if i go to get the parts i might as well have them install for a better ride home. to me now, its all about the money, anyway.
which i have none, which in turn forces me to do my own stuff.

Justin and Dark i hope to meet you guys for fun and to help me gain some knowledge

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hot dog i took the car out today.....WOW!!!
since i got it on Jan 16th i have only had 3 runs in it, which is 3 more than usual for this time of year in MI, for damn sure
the first 2 were in so much power awe that i was dreaming of seeing a Z06 just to see wots wot!
plus, it was raining so i did not want to get too crazy without INS, eh??

well today it was over 40* and dry. so since i figured out the ScanGauge II and was playing with 4 corner combos for the best readout when i found the HPR selection, i had better make sure that worked right??

how accurate is the HPR readouts??
according to what i saw when i punched from a dead stop it clicked up to 308 HPR!! the 1st time.
2nd time from about 40 mph it shot up to 328 HPR!! the last punch from a dead stop, 2nd gear with the HD auto trans, i got it topped at 358HPR!!!!
can that be right??
when i got home letting it ldle down after a good thrashing it showed 7.5 HPR in the garage so i got something amiss.

oh and speaking of "amiss" i took it out early afternoon when it was maybe 32* air temp and i got some KR.
it got all smokey back there and hit 7.5* at most i think. i have to see if it is recorded in the log?? but i aint got that far yet.

this is gonna be hard....when i think i an buzzin the speed limit i look down and have it over 10 mph+ always. its hard to judge the speed anymore.

boy oh boy its on!!

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PS the headlights pop up at the typical speeds also....buck 30 or so, right??

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so it seems i got one of them there limited 1987 "U 21" blue Fieros, eh?? i found some data, today. BLUE ONLY OFFERED IN 1987??
right on!!
i collected coins and comics so it stands to reason i would collect limited ed cars too. my Mera is prolly #7002, 3rd one made ever
now this new 87 is one of 4458 ever!!! thats a nice little bonus.
the PO said was blue orginally and this 2nd pic is obvious and it stood out, the first thing i saw
well i went for the RPO sheet today and then seen the passenger door. the drivers is panted black so i was oblivious till today. sweet
wish i had seen past for the silicone seal holding the windshield in, tho. but that has cracks and needs to be fixed before the track, so....yeah! KICK ASS!

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Blue! I like the blue!
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