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Woman hiding with kids shoots intruder by Formula88
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http://www.wsbtv.com/news/n...oots-intruder/nTm7s/

 
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LOGANVILLE, Ga. —

A woman hiding in her attic with children shot an intruder multiple times before fleeing to safety Friday.

The incident happened at a home on Henderson Ridge Lane in Loganville around 1 p.m. The woman was working in an upstairs office when she spotted a strange man outside a window, according to Walton County Sheriff Joe Chapman. He said she took her 9-year-old twins to a crawlspace before the man broke in using a crowbar.

But the man eventually found the family.

"The perpetrator opens that door. Of course, at that time he's staring at her, her two children and a .38 revolver," Chapman told Channel 2’s Kerry Kavanaugh.

The woman then shot him five times, but he survived, Chapman said.
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In February, Slater was arrested on simple battery charges, according to the Gwinnett County Sheriff's Office. He has been arrested six other times in the county since 2008.
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"My wife is a hero. She protected her kids. She did what she was supposed to do as responsible, prepared gun owner," Donnie Herman said.

He said he's thankful for his family's safety.

"Her life is saved, and her kids' life is saved, and that's all I'd like to say," Herman said.

Channel 2’s Amy Napier Viteri learned from Chapman late Friday night that slater has been placed on a ventilator and suffers from punctured lungs, a punctured liver and a punctured stomach.

He said if Slater survives the night, doctors will try to operate in the morning to repair the damage.

Chapman said Slater has four exit wounds.

Slater is currently being charged with burglary.


Another victory for the good guys!
We must ban home invasion to prevent this from happening again.
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She went above & beyond, trying not to have to kill a man.
But when push come to shove, she did exactly what she had to do.

Level-headed & 100% by-the-book.
She did good.
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What's that old saying?

Better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by six.

Personally, I think she needs a little more marksmanship training. I mean really, five shots and he's still breathing.

Didn't catch what caliber the gun was, may have a lot to do with it but, with four exit wounds, there was some velocity behind those rounds.

The one thing that was made clear though, if you're look'n for a house to rob, you might want to stay clear of this pack'n mama. She may not be the best shot in the world but, she ain't afraid to pull the trigger. I'm with the husband, I'm proud of her. Just need some more time at the shooting range to sharpen those aiming skills.

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Originally posted by blackrams:

What's that old saying?

Better to be judged by 12 than to be carried by six.

Personally, I think she needs a little more marksmanship training. I mean really, five shots and he's still breathing.

Didn't catch what caliber the gun was, may have a lot to do with it but, with four exit wounds, there was some velocity behind those rounds.

The one thing that was made clear though, if you're look'n for a house to rob, you might want to stay clear of this pack'n mama. She may not be the best shot in the world but, she ain't afraid to pull the trigger. I'm with the husband, I'm proud of her. Just need some more time at the shooting range to sharpen those aiming skills.



Go back and READ the article. It was a .38 revolver.
He has punctured lungs, liver and stomach. A handgun isn't magic. Unless the person bleeds out or you hit central nervous system, heart or brain, you're not going to kill them instantly. He's on a ventilator and they don't know if he'll survive long enough for surgery.

She had 6 shots, max. She hit him 5 times. Her accuracy is fine.
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Originally posted by Formula88:

A handgun isn't magic. Unless the person bleeds out or you hit central nervous system, heart or brain, you're not going to kill them instantly.


Yet there are some here that believe the guns purpose is only to kill, so just the fact that she pointed it at him he should be dead, right?

Kevin

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Originally posted by Doug85GT:

[sarcasm]
She used a semi-automatic weapon. Why would she need such a thing. A bolt action or single shot .22 should have been sufficient. She is obviously an evil person intent on causing the next school massacre.
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That would be even more funny if revolvers were semi-automatic.
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Originally posted by Formula88:


That would be even more funny if revolvers were semi-automatic.


You are correct that revolvers are not semi-automatic. I use the term more broadly in that each pull of the trigger fires a shot, assuming she has a double action revolver.
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Originally posted by Doug85GT:


You are correct that revolvers are not semi-automatic. I use the term more broadly in that each pull of the trigger fires a shot, assuming she has a double action revolver.


If by "broadly" you mean "inaccurately," I agree. Government uses the terms "broadly" enough already.
Single action, bolt action, lever action all fire 1 shot with one trigger pull, too.

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Originally posted by Formula88:


If by "broadly" you mean "inaccurately," I agree. Government uses the terms "broadly" enough already.
Single action, bolt action, lever action all fire 1 shot with one trigger pull, too.



They don't load the next round with that trigger pull. Double action does. You can fire all the rounds in a double action revolver almost as fast as the same number fired from a semi-auto pistol. That was my point.

Since this bothers you so much, I'll just delete my post.
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I'm glad she was able to protect herself and her family but in the end, the loser will probably claim racism and sue the family.
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Originally posted by Formula88:


Go back and READ the article. It was a .38 revolver.
He has punctured lungs, liver and stomach. A handgun isn't magic. Unless the person bleeds out or you hit central nervous system, heart or brain, you're not going to kill them instantly. He's on a ventilator and they don't know if he'll survive long enough for surgery.

She had 6 shots, max. She hit him 5 times. Her accuracy is fine.


OK, I'll admit, I only read the posted part of the article. The punctured lungs, liver and stomach were mentioned in that posted part. As far as him surviving the night, I haven't cared enough to investigate and IMHO, she was shooting blindly at a target close enough to hit. Four rounds to the heart followed by a head shot would have indicated her profiency with her weapon of choice. Although a revolver does slow the process and may explain the wide shot placement. Most folks I know can't fire a revolver as quickly as a semi-auto and still maintain accuracy.

I was also being just a little on the silly side in my first post in this thread, just in case you missed that.
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Short barrel shotgun would have done the same damage with less shots fired.
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Originally posted by Doug85GT:


They don't load the next round with that trigger pull. Double action does. You can fire all the rounds in a double action revolver almost as fast as the same number fired from a semi-auto pistol. That was my point.

Since this bothers you so much, I'll just delete my post.


Just for clarification........

A single action revolver requires cocking by pulling the hammer back to advance the cylinder.

A double action revolver advances the cylinder in the first portion of the trigger pull and then fires aat the end of the trigger pull.

Revolvers do not advance the cylinder after firing.


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Originally posted by Jake_Dragon:

Short barrel shotgun would have done the same damage with less shots fired.


No doubt!

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God bless her for being intelligent and having the tools to protect her and her family. We can only imagine what would have happen to her and her kids if she had been one of the idiots in this world.
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Yet there are some here that believe the guns purpose is only to kill, so just the fact that she pointed it at him he should be dead, right?

Kevin



Or that the gun will hop out of her dresser drawer and do it on its own.
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Originally posted by olejoedad:


Just for clarification........

A single action revolver requires cocking by pulling the hammer back to advance the cylinder.

A double action revolver advances the cylinder in the first portion of the trigger pull and then fires aat the end of the trigger pull.

Revolvers do not advance the cylinder after firing.



"Assault Revolver" ( i can see that in the news soon... )
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OK, I'll admit, I only read the posted part of the article. The punctured lungs, liver and stomach were mentioned in that posted part. As far as him surviving the night, I haven't cared enough to investigate and IMHO, she was shooting blindly at a target close enough to hit. Four rounds to the heart followed by a head shot would have indicated her profiency with her weapon of choice. Although a revolver does slow the process and may explain the wide shot placement. Most folks I know can't fire a revolver as quickly as a semi-auto and still maintain accuracy.

I was also being just a little on the silly side in my first post in this thread, just in case you missed that.


The .38 revolver and his condition were also mentioned in the part of the article I posted.
You read just enough to have something to comment on to give everyone the benefit of your vastly superior knowledge and marksmanship. I have to admit - that was silly. I apologize for not recognizing it to begin with.
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Originally posted by Formula88:


The .38 revolver and his condition were also mentioned in the part of the article I posted.
You read just enough to have something to comment on to give everyone the benefit of your vastly superior knowledge and marksmanship. I have to admit - that was silly. I apologize for not recognizing it to begin with.


Gotcha. Now that I know or have a better understanding of where we stand, I'll attempt to enlighten you when ever you need it. Appreciate the honest response. I always prefer to know where I stand with folks.

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Hey, we need a mag cap guys, what if there were three attackers? Even if she had a semi auto, this woman and her kids would probably be dead with only 10 rounds on tap. You are not going to stop criminals, but you will get people killed.
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Originally posted by dennis_6:

Hey, we need a mag cap guys, what if there were three attackers? Even if she had a semi auto, this woman and her kids would probably be dead with only 10 rounds on tap. You are not going to stop criminals, but you will get people killed.


Ultimately the 'restrict' group really has nothing to do with logic, so arguments like that are really pointless. Its all about simply taking what is ours because they don't like it. They are willing to let the government take care of them, so in their eyes we have to be forced to accept that way of life too. And they will do it however they have to.

And don't think they will stop at our weapons. Its just one component in a much larger war against freedom, and our way of life..
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LOGANVILLE, Ga. —

Channel 2’s Amy Napier Viteri learned from Chapman late Friday night that slater has been placed on a ventilator and suffers from punctured lungs, a punctured liver and a punctured stomach.

He said if Slater survives the night, doctors will try to operate in the morning to repair the damage.

Chapman said Slater has four exit wounds.

Slater is currently being charged with burglary.


Who is footing the bill for this? The hospital is going to be on the hook for at least 300k to half a million. The husband could've gotten alarm system for the house. My 98 yr old granma has one and several .38 too.
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Originally posted by madcurl:
Who is footing the bill for this? The hospital is going to be on the hook for at least 300k to half a million. The husband could've gotten alarm system for the house. My 98 yr old granma has one and several .38 too.


I don't see how a victims family should be required to install a alarm system. The criminal or his family should be on the hook for the bill. I also don't think a alarm system would have changed anything, with police response time being 10 minutes to half an hour.
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The husband could've gotten alarm system for the house. My 98 yr old granma has one and several .38 too.


Yep, blame the victim. Its their fault they were attacked.

Idiot.
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I don't see how a victims family should be required to install a alarm system. The criminal or his family should be on the hook for the bill. I also don't think a alarm system would have changed anything, with police response time being 10 minutes to half an hour.


As sick as it sounds, most likely the criminal's family will sue the victims in civil court. If they don't get people like Curly on the jury, they wont get a dime and then the bill will be written off by the hospital and in effect 'distributed' among all their future patients for a period of time.
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On police response time....

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Originally posted by Lambo nut:


Yet there are some here that believe the guns purpose is only to kill, so just the fact that she pointed it at him he should be dead, right?

Kevin


heh, we also have one here on the group that thinks they are going to shoot to wound!
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heh, we also have one here on the group that thinks they are going to shoot to wound!


Well, it is their choice. They might get the chance to do it, once.
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Originally posted by dennis_6:


I don't see how a victims family should be required to install a alarm system. The criminal or his family should be on the hook for the bill. I also don't think a alarm system would have changed anything, with police response time being 10 minutes to half an hour.


When seconds count, the police are minutes away. No kidding.

Of course it is their fault, they had something to steal! If they had not had that house full of belongings (or children to rape) this would not have happened. Christ don’t you guys get it?
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Originally posted by Lambo nut:


Yet there are some here that believe the guns purpose is only to kill, so just the fact that she pointed it at him he should be dead, right?

Kevin



Kevin,
Now don't get excited, I'm only interested in knowing (understanding) what your intention is with this statement? I'm one of those that think guns are meant to kill, not wound so, I'm trying to understand what you mean.

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Originally posted by dennis_6:


I don't see how a victims family should be required to install a alarm system. The criminal or his family should be on the hook for the bill. I also don't think a alarm system would have changed anything, with police response time being 10 minutes to half an hour.


I guess the tens of thousand of home owners and millions of businesses who have alarm system are simply a waste? Who knows, maybe the criminal (after hearing the alarm) just might have left, but either way the police is on their way. The alarm systems today can be activated while you're inside and will alert you if a door or window is broken. LOL. It's the same system my 98 yr old grandmother has. Everybody in the neighborhood can hear it! If an intruder breaks in and trips the alarm she's waiting for them to "come on in."

As for "those" on the hook for the bill we all know that the criminal nor his family isn't going to foot the bill-it's the tax payers. So, the surgeon(s), the RN(s), the anesthesiologist(s), the surgical tech(s), and paramedics all did a job for free at the tune of $500,000 and counting.
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Originally posted by blackrams:


Kevin,
Now don't get excited, I'm only interested in knowing (understanding) what your intention is with this statement? I'm one of those that think guns are meant to kill, not wound so, I'm trying to understand what you mean.


So I don't have to repeat myself, it is all starts here.

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/F...ML/097760-2.html#p54

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I guess the tens of thousand of home owners and millions of businesses who have alarm system are simply a waste? .


That isn't what dennis said and you know it. Nice way to avoid the question tho.
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That isn't what dennis said and you know it. Nice way to avoid the question tho.


Sorry Bud, but he didn't ask a question. He made a statement.
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That isn't what dennis said and you know it. Nice way to avoid the question tho.


Those anti gun nuts are good about that aren't they?!

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Sorry Bud, but he didn't ask a question. He made a statement.


DId i say HE asked it? No, i didnt.

Bud? WTF? That isn't my name.
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Those anti gun nuts are good about that aren't they?!

Kevin


To be fair, a lot of people are like that. Refuse to deal with the actual issue and instead deflect into something ludicrous instead. Politicians come to mind.
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Originally posted by madcurl:


I guess the tens of thousand of home owners and millions of businesses who have alarm system are simply a waste? Who knows, maybe the criminal (after hearing the alarm) just might have left, but either way the police is on their way. The alarm systems today can be activated while you're inside and will alert you if a door or window is broken. LOL. It's the same system my 98 yr old grandmother has. Everybody in the neighborhood can hear it! If an intruder breaks in and trips the alarm she's waiting for them to "come on in."

As for "those" on the hook for the bill we all know that the criminal nor his family isn't going to foot the bill-it's the tax payers. So, the surgeon(s), the RN(s), the anesthesiologist(s), the surgical tech(s), and paramedics all did a job for free at the tune of $500,000 and counting.


Don't believe I said they were worthless, its about as effective as a cell phone in the pocket to call 911. As far as noise, screaming might cause them to run away too. I wouldn't bet my life on it.
As for the bill, maybe if its open and shut, we should just let the criminals bleed out then?
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Originally posted by madcurl:
Who is footing the bill for this? The hospital is going to be on the hook for at least 300k to half a million. The husband could've gotten alarm system for the house. My 98 yr old granma has one and several .38 too.


ObamaCare will pay for it. That's what you voted for. That's what you got.

She could have gotten an alarm system, but most people don't have alarms turned ON when they're at home. Even all those businesses and home owners you mention that have alarms turn them off as soon as they walk in the door. Sure, she could have had it armed, or even had a panic button to call the police. Do you think it would have mattered? The article didn't mention how long he was in the house, but even if the alarm went off, there's a good chance he would have found them before the police arrived and the end result would be the same.

We've had burglaries in our city where they are in and out in a matter of minutes. Alarms aren't a deterrent because they know they're going to be gone before the police get there.
Unless the police just happen to be right there, it's pretty unlikely it would have made any difference.
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