Sorry... I couldn't help myself... wanted to create it first before he did... like overhearing a conversation between two businessmen talking about a great domain name, and then buying it on your iPhone through GoDaddy while you're sitting at the table next to them.
Avengador... please feel free to post political posts in my thread!
I am always ready to listen to a different viewpoint than mine and avengador definitely does that. But if he wants to reach me he's going to have to condense his posts. I never ever read through them. Just way way too long. Don't go away though.
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I am always ready to listen to a different viewpoint than mine and avengador definitely does that. But if he wants to reach me he's going to have to condense his posts. I never, never read through them. Just way way too long. Don't go away though.
That is often because they are direct cut/paste from the original source and not his personal opinion on the subject. That will come later in the threads, sometimes. Other times is just a 'news post' and he moves on. in those cases perhaps an "Avengador RSS" feed would work better for when he wants to be a news aggregating service for us.
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Patrick Member
Posts: 38982 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
This is getting ridiculous. 40% Of the topics on the first page of TO/T are made up of your political copy & paste posts. Since I'm pretty sure every single one of those threads carry the same message ("Obama sucks"), I'm going to consider this as a violation of the following posting rule if you don't tone it down:
Do not start threads about other threads. So you get in a heated discussion in one of the threads. You get the feeling you are not getting your point across. So you feel the need to start a new thread explaining what you meant in the first thread. Don't. Since there's already a thread on the subject, say it there.
So either tone it down, or create a single thread (you can call it "Avengador's Politics Corner" for all I care).
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Gawd, I've been waiting a long time for that.
Why doesn't Avengador do something useful for a change... like I dunno, maybe go save a Fiero?
Ahhh... heh. I'm not making fun of Avengador... I read his posts, though I do wish there was some more commentary. I just figured I would create the thread first!
Hah...
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Avengador... please feel free to post political posts in my thread!
Be careful what you wish for. It seems Neptune had a bug up his rear today and decided to spam all my posts going back a few days. I should have just left them all up, with his name as the last poster, and told Cliff about his trolling, but I had to go to an important business meeting today. If all goes right, I might even be able to save all the Fieros I can get my hands on for the next 15 or so years, while still posting in O/T. We all know that the political stories will die down after the November elections, especially when Obama loses. As for trying to keep all my Obama sucks stories under one thread, that is going to be a little hard, especially when what he does to suck is so varied. I feel each incident he causes deserves it own thread for proper discussion, because of all the different topics he sucks in. Some of these include his records(or lack of), voter fraud, unions, healthcare, czars, executive orders, social security, illegal aliens, all the different needless departments, his constant lying, etc. One Obama thread does not do him the justice he deserves. This is one huge multi-layered onion that really stinks, and yet there are those who still want him to be re-elected and believe he can do no wrong. Those who believe that he will bring us into prosperity by continuing to do what hasn't worked in the last three years, should consider themselves insane.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Just as Bill Clinton’s most famous line will be either “I never had sex with ‘that woman’” or “It depends on what the definition of ‘is’ is,” so too Barack Obama will always be remembered as the man who uttered the words “You didn’t build that” to business owners. As a result plenty of ads and businesses have struck back at him despite his claims that the statement has been taken out of context, which it wasn’t. Take Kevin “The Geek” Kerwin for example, a small business owner in Oregon.
Kevin is a Hurricane Katrina survivor who moved out to Lake Oswego, Oregon to start all over again. He heard Obama’s words berating business owners and it ticked him off as it did all Americans who understand how entrepreneurship works.
The business that Kevin started was begun with just the money he had in his pocket. When he heard Obama utter those insulting words “You didn’t build that,” he decided he had heard enough and decided to blast back.
What did he do? Well he made his own sign.
The sign read:
Hey Obama
I built my business by myself.
You had nothing to do with it.
You incompetent lousy excuse for a President.
Sincerely,
Kevin
Well I’d say that most of us feel that way who have our own business and if we don’t have one, we still want to say the last line and more.
But Kevin didn’t expect there to be a customer who didn’t agree with him in the manner that he faced. Victoria Taft writes:
Kevin “The Geek” got an interesting customer yesterday at his Lake Oswego based business. A Dunthorpe doyenne entered his store, began berating the businessman for his anti Obama sign, and when he insisted he wouldn’t take it down, slapped him. He threatened to call the cops but she left and then shuffled across the street and lost herself in the stores and parking lot.
He didn’t get a picture or see her vehicle and doesn’t know her name so did not report her to police.
He also received a note from an apparent Obama parrot that read,
Really? So you didn’t go to school, use the roads, utilities, or water? Wow you’re special!
It’s amazing how the “tolerant” left are completely intolerant of people that disagree with them, isn’t it?
Later in the week, Kevin added another sign just below the previous one which read:
Thank you Clint Eastwood….You made my day…..”Nobama 2012″
Maybe all businesses should take Kevin’s approach and for good measure make sure their people are packing heat in case the Democrats want to enter and start assaulting employees or worse attempt to shoot the place up. As far as I know true conservatives don’t do things like that. Liberals do.
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Formula88 Member
Posts: 53788 From: Raleigh NC Registered: Jan 2001
The Left sure is quick to resort to violence when they don't like something. All this rhetoric about gun toting conservatives, I guess it's a good thing we have self control or we'd start shooting people we don't agree with.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Where are they going to get the money to pay for all of this? Obama's massive 2nd-term industry takeover plans Documented: Aim to expand bailouts across entire economy http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/...stry-takeover-plans/
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President Obama today boasted about government assistance to the auto industry while advocating extending such “success” to “every industry.”
A new book released this week details Obama’s second-term plans to do just that, including federal government intervention to determine the “value” of individual jobs in the private sector instead of allowing employers to pay what they want.
Also on tap is the possible initiation of a massive government-funded jobs program that could even include the re-creation of a 21st century version of FDR’s Works Progress Administration program within the Department of Labor.
Learn the details of Obama’s shocking plans for the next four years in “Fool Me Twice,” available at WND’s Superstore
There are also second-term plans for a green “stimulus” and the possible founding of a federal “green” bank or “Energy Independence Trust,” which would borrow from the federal treasury to provide low-cost financing to private-sector investments in “clean energy.”
Progressive organizations behind White House policy have also crafted specific, second-term plans for the federal government to enact a “living wage” that would force all employers to increase the salaries of the nation’s workers to meet “basic needs” such as housing, food, utilities, transportation, health care and recreation.
These schemes, and many more, are documented in “Fool Me Twice: Obama’s Shocking Plans for the Next Four Years Exposed.”
The book by New York Times bestselling authors Aaron Klein and Brenda J. Elliott uncovers the template for Obama’s next four years – the actual, extensive plans created by Obama’s own top advisers and progressive strategists.
“Fool Me Twice” unveils all the main areas of Obama’s second-term domestic policy onslaught, including jobs, wages, health care, immigration “overhaul,” electoral “reform,” national energy policy and defense.
Repeat auto bailout ‘success’
Speaking today at a campaign rally in Colorado, Obama touted what he called the success of his decision to provide government assistance to the auto industry. He said wants to repeat such success in every manufacturing industry.
“I said, I believe in American workers, I believe in this American industry, and now the American auto industry has come roaring back,” he said. “Now I want to do the same thing with manufacturing jobs, not just in the auto industry, but in every industry.
“I don’t want those jobs taking root in places like China, I want those jobs taking root in places like Pueblo,” Obama said at the Colorado State Fairgrounds.
Green stimulus
“Fool Me Twice” details second-term recommendations to Obama that aim for more government funds to the manufacturing industries, most prominently to the “green” industry.
A seminal report by the de facto policy nerve center of the Obama White House, the Center for American Progress, titled “Cutting the Cost of Clean Energy 1.0,” recommends a federal “green bank” for the sole purpose of loaning or granting public funds to so-called clean energy companies.
The report calls for a new “Energy Independence Trust,” which could “borrow from the federal treasury to provide low-cost financing to private sector investments in clean energy.”
Continues the CAP paper: “Our proposed Energy Independence Trust would hold sufficient reserves to protect the Treasury from loan losses, and would be able to offer a variety of debt- and equity-based financial instruments, loan guarantees, and tax incentives to draw a wave of private capital into the clean energy sector.”
An organization that calls itself the Presidential Climate Action Project, or PCAP, has been working with the Obama administration since the beginning to help craft and implement White House environmental policy.
Following Obama’s victory in 2008, PCAP began working with John Podesta, co chairman of Obama’s transition team, to help the incoming president formulate an initial 100-day environmental agenda. Podesta is president and CEO of CAP.
PCAP’s recommendation is that the Department of Energy should join three other federal agencies – the Department of Housing and Urban Development, the Department of Transportation and the Environmental Protection Agency – in funding what is essentially a progressive slush fund called the Partnership for Sustainable Communities.
The Partnership blandly proclaims it aims to “help communities nationwide improve access to affordable housing, increase transportation options, and lower transportation costs while protecting the environment.”
Meanwhile, other progressive groups tied to the White House back the 2011 21st Century Works Progress Administration Act. The legislation would “immediately put Americans to work rebuilding our nation and strengthening our communities,” according to its literature.
The 21st century reincarnation of Roosevelt’s WPA would operate under the auspices of a Works Progress Administration created within the Department of Labor and headed by the secretary of labor.
The bill, proposed by Sen. Frank R. Lautenberg, D-N.J., proposes projects similar to those of the earlier era, including residential and commercial building weatherization; residential and commercial water use efficiency improvement; highway, bridge and rail repair and maintenance; manufacturing projects; school, library and firehouse construction; soil erosion and pesticide runoff prevention; National Park and trail maintenance; and “other projects that are proposed by the eligible departments and determined appropriate by the Administration.”
Jobs fairness
Obama has made “economic fairness” the centerpiece of his second-term agenda. The president’s January 2012 State of the Union address called for “equal pay for equal work.”
“Fool Me Twice” uncovers the radical origins of the “economic fairness” mantra as well as Obama’s specific second-term “fairness” plans.
Write Klein and Elliott: “One of the most deceptive tricks in Obama’s rhetorical arsenal is his use of the term economic fairness. A prime example of the progressives’ use, in general, of harmless-sounding rhetoric in their advancement of radical objectives, this ‘fairness’ derives directly from the Marxist conception of economic justice.”
Late Harvard professor John Rawls, one of the most important philosophers of liberalism in the 20th century, named his own theory “justice as fairness.” Some have previously pointed to Rawls’ possible influence over Obama. Rawls calls for ensuring distributive justice of resources.
“Fool Me Twice” documents how progressive groups behind Obama’s first-term agenda are now pushing plans, some already attempted in previous progressive Democrat legislation, for a second Obama term push for “Paycheck Fairness” and so-called equal pay fairness.
Originally, “equal pay” legislation, such as the 1963 Equal Pay Act, had the goal of ensuring women would not be paid less for doing the same jobs as men.
The current progressive concept of equal pay, “Fool Me Twice” relates, would give the government sweeping powers to require employers to compensate workers according to an artificial calculation of a job’s “value” rather than what the private market is willing to pay.
Other powers would allow federal bureaucrats to decide which jobs are underpaid and would require employers to raise wages.
The government would also determine whether “bias” or “discrimination” exists in “equivalent” – but not equal – jobs based on race, sex, sexual orientation and other determining factors.
Warn Klein and Elliott: “In truth, Obama’s progressive conception of fairness is not the classic Marxist one, or Marx was the prophet and theoretician of a revolutionary working class. But today’s neo-socialist progressives have completely abandoned and betrayed the working class, along with small-business owners, in favor of a welfare class, a middle class ever more dependent on government hand-outs, and a progressive, liberal elite.”
Such a welfare system is also in the works.
WND reported last week how “Fool Me Twice” reveals Obama’s second term agenda includes the prescription for the implementation of a higher minimum wage that would “raise the floor for all employees” nationwide.
Such a “living wage” – a pet project of ACORN – was previously attempted in over 80 U.S. cities, many times to disastrous affect.
The progressive groups, already instrumental in influencing Obama’s first-term economic agenda, also call for Obama and Congress to enact a government mandate to force businesses to provide 12 weeks of paid benefits to employees who need time off to care for a new child, a sick family member or their own illness.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Seeking to rally a crucial constituency, President Barack Obama on Wednesday warned women in swing-state Colorado that Republicans would seek to strip away health care benefits for them and cut funding for contraceptive services.
In a passionate pitch for his health care overhaul, Obama sought to draw a stark contrast with presumptive GOP nominee Mitt Romney, saying his rival intended to take his health care law and "kill it dead" on the first day of his presidency and "get rid" of Planned Parenthood.
"They want to take us back to the policies more suited to the 1950s than the 21st century," Obama said, arguing that the decisions affecting a woman's health are "not up to politicians, they're not up to insurance companies, they're up to you."
The rally — it was the first of four events Obama planned for a two-day trip through the state — was geared specifically to women, who were heavily represented in the 4,000-person crowd.
Both Obama and Romney see women as a critical part of their efforts to win Colorado, where the presidential race is tight three months from Election Day.
The Romney campaign dismissed Obama's pitch to women as a distraction from the sluggish economy.
"No false, recycled attacks can distract from the fact that President Obama's four years in office haven't been kind to women," said Amanda Henneberg, a Romney campaign spokeswoman.
A new Quinnipiac University poll shows Obama and Romney tied among voters in Colorado households earning between $30,000 and $50,000 per year — an important target. Obama leads among voters with lower incomes while Romney is favored by those making more.
Obama said women's issues resonated with him because of his wife, first lady Michelle Obama, and his late mother. The president said he wanted to ensure that Mrs. Obama "has control over her health care choices" and noted that his mother would have been 70 this year had she not died from cancer nearly two decades ago.
"I often think about what might have happened if a doctor had caught her cancer sooner," Obama said.
The president highlighted his decision to nominate Sonia Sotomayor and Elena Kagan to the Supreme Court and said the next president "could tip the balance in a way that turns back the clock for women in the next decade to come."
The president was introduced by Sandra Fluke, whose congressional testimony became a flashpoint for arguments over contraception, abortion and women's health earlier in the year. Fluke gained notoriety after conservative talk show host Rush Limbaugh called her a slut because she supports the Obama health care law's requirement that insurance companies cover contraception.
Fluke said that when she was "verbally attacked" Obama "was one of us."
"He defended my right to speak without being attacked, and he condemned those hateful words," Fluke said. Recalling the incident, she mocked Romney for saying at the time that Limbaugh's words "aren't the words I would have chosen."
"If Mr. Romney can't stand up to extreme voices in his own party, then he will never stand up for us," she said.
From Denver, Obama headed to Grand Junction, Colo., an area that leans Republican. In front of a raucous crowd in a high school gymnasium, Obama pressed forward with his effort to paint Romney as protector of the rich because of his support for extending Bush-era tax cuts for all income earners.
Obama said Romney is struggling to explain to voters how the tax cuts could continue without adding to the deficit and having middle-class Americans pay more.
"There's a whole different type of gymnastics being performed by Mr. Romney than what is happening at the Olympics," he said.
Obama wants to extend the tax cuts for families making less than $250,000 a year. Under his plan, families who make more would still be taxed on a lower rate for their first $250,000 in income and at a higher rate for any additional income.
From revealingpolitics.com comes these outrageous responses from Obama supporters outside the joint President Obama-Sandra Fluke campaign event in Denver on Wednesday.
The interviewees were all dead-set on the government not having any place in the bedroom. But following that up with why then should the government pay for the contraception used in the bedroom, they seemed to falter.
“The government has no place in our bedroom?” interviewer Caleb Bonham asked one woman.
“No,” she asserted.
“So you’re in support of contraception, government-funded contraception — why do you believe the government should pay for what goes on inside your bedroom?”
The woman paused before answering, “That’s a very good question.”
And then there was the interviewee who declared she was “like, all for abortion, all for birth control.”
“So, you don’t think the government should be involved in what goes on inside the bedroom, correct?” Bonham repeated.
“Oh exactly, oh not even close, no,” she replied.
“So then why do you expect the government to pay for what goes on inside the bedroom?”
Another pause. “Because…”
The woman in the next clip at least had an answer to that, stating, “if we had that more readily available then we wouldn’t have people out here starving, wouldn’t have–”
“So contraception solves hunger?” Bonham asked.
“Well I believe it has a big part in it, I really do,” she said.
Watch the video below:
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Where are they going to get the money to pay for all of this? Obama's massive 2nd-term industry takeover plans Documented: Aim to expand bailouts across entire economy http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/...stry-takeover-plans/
So the big question is...if he thought all that crap would work, why didn't he do it THIS term? Republicans got in the way? Well, that assumes they will get back the House and keep the Senate. That's a lot of "ifs".
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Well this certainly makes it hard to follow a discussion with so many topics contained in one thread. All because Neptune decided that he wanted to fill the first page of the O/T section with my threads from several days. Now I'm the bad one in Cliff's eyes because of that troll. He didn't bump anyone elses threads, just mine, and I bet he went crying to Cliff after he did it because I pointed out how he was trolling me. Anyone can verify this by checking the dates my threads were originally started and Neptune's bump dates and times. They all occured today and in quick succestion.
Well this certainly makes it hard to follow a discussion with so many topics contained in one thread. All because Neptune decided that he wanted to fill the first page of the O/T section with my threads from several days. Now I'm the bad one in Cliff's eyes because of that troll. He didn't bump anyone elses threads, just mine, and I bet he went crying to Cliff after he did it because I pointed out how he was trolling me. Anyone can verify this by checking the dates my threads were originally started and Neptune's bump dates and times. They all occured today and in quick succestion.
Bull!! There are many people that have been complaining about your spamming. This should be nothing of a surprise to you. You abuse this forum. I am so happy Cliff stepped in. I hope you respect HIS wishes and keep your crap to this thread from now on.
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Unless it is about how Obama and how our governent sucks, don't expect to find it here. We really need a new section dedicated to Obama and how our government sucks, then you crybabies won't have to read anything that offends you and tarnishes your idol.
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Patrick Member
Posts: 38982 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
So... What, you're going to play victim here? Sorry, not seeing it.
The simple fact is, you've been posting a ton of political crap here for a while and many, many people are tired of it. We get bombarded by partisan bullshit daily - this isn't really the place for it. I know we have a politics check box we can deselect if we feel the need to, but then we'd miss out on actual discussion here. Hit-and-run posts of articles from dubious sources does not count as intelligent conversation.
News? Go for it. Events? Have fun. Re-post of a blog article with no sources calling the president a hopeful dictator, while trying to sell something? Keep that **** to yourself
Most people here know you're a smart guy, but a lot of us aren't buying this crap and have voiced that more than once. We're all tired of the bickering, and the insults, and the personal attacks that go along with it. It's worthless drama.
Why can't we just be civil?
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dratts Member
Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
No, no. You must not stop posting about Obama. I for one want to know how you REALLY feel about him. You haven't been clear. This is the perfect thread to clear it up for us. Do you like him or not?
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Patrick Member
Posts: 38982 From: Vancouver, British Columbia, Canada Registered: Apr 99
For the most part I agree with Avengador. Obama has cause more destruction to the US than Katrina. I also built my own businessES from the money in my own pocket. Never got a cent from anyone. Not government, friends or family. Obama is responsible for taking it though.
Just yesterday I got a bill from the local state revenue office. Apparently they felt I didnt pay my estimated state income taxes for the year so they levied a fine. I havent made anything since 2008 except social security. Other income I did make, barely covered the cost of keeping my garage open (so I could still work on my own cars) and didnt generate any spendable income. Social Security is not taxable income, so I have not paid any income taxes since 2008. I supplement my SS from my own retirement savings. I called them and they noted my reported income from those last years. I also pointed out that I had sent in returns for all those years from my accountant. I couldnt understand why I would have to make a estimated income tax payment when my expected taxes for 4 years were $0. They acknowleged it was a mistake, and the penalty would be removed and an exemption would be put in my records to be in effect unless I make a reportable income in the future. I dont even have to send in 1040s any more unless I make an income again. With the way the country is at its knees now, I dont forsee that happening in my lifetime again. Ill just take my SS and my savings and enjoy what I have left. Now Obama has to figure out a way, and Im sure he will try, to find some way to grab something more. Maybe he will try to change the law (by Executive Order to avoid Congress) so that Social Security becomes taxable income.
This guy has got to be beaten. 4 more years under his rule will turn the US into a 3rd world country. Were barely 2nd world now.
we need a political only section that way if you want to be depressed all you have to do is go to one place to read all of avengadors threads/posts while he stands on his soap box . oo thats what you can call it Cliff AVENGADORS SOAPBOX there make that his own section
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Pyrthian Member
Posts: 29569 From: Detroit, MI Registered: Jul 2002
lol - I quickly learned long ago going into an Avengador thread is useless. as tempting as some of the titles are, I will not go.
the above list showing the numbers of posts. now - for more fun - go thru a few and see just how full of BS history has shown them to be. tho it is amusing to see someone be so wrong so often, and keep going......
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avengador1 Member
Posts: 35468 From: Orlando, Florida Registered: Oct 2001
Someone was kind enough to start a thread for me to post my political articles in. Many of the replies I am seeing in it belong to a bunch of hypocritical liberal crybabies moaning about the "crap" I post, which they supposedly do not read and avoid like the plague. If there was one thread that had a huge sign saying "LIBERALS DO NOT ENTER OR READ" it would be this one. Maybe it's just because they are so dense or is it that they do not have very good reading comprehension? Maybe they are so addicted to my threads that they have to continue reading them, even though it causes them great discomfort. It's just typical of them to come into one of my threads, say that the article is not true without offering any proof at all, and moaning about it without actually contributing to it. If they want to talk about wasting Cliff's bandwidth all they need to do is to look at the useless "crap" they post. Talk about a bunch of sore losers, they can't even defend any acusations they love to throw around so liberally. As for how I feel about Obama, how many different ways and times have I said that I do not like him or what he is doing to our country? If you hate our country feel free to vote for him again, but don't be surprised if he flushes you down the toilet with what's left of it. If he wins it won't have any real effect on me.
I would suggest that in only OT, "a limit of 3 new threads per 24 hrs by any single member" rule be placed in the posting rules. Most political topics are just the same old re-hashed subject matter anyway, and as such, most can also be combined into already existing threads. I talk to lots of people from PFF and many have just quit starting new threads in OT simply because they know when they return from work, the C&P threads will have pushed them onto pg 2. Yes, they "could" 'bump' their own threads back to the top, but for most people, that would be contrary to the norm of the self effacing character most of us view as a natural state, and most would find it more than a bit embarrassing to have to bump their own thread up just to see our/their name in the "started by" column.
I too, am retired and 'could" sit here for hours each day starting new threads on any number of subjects, but I feel that would be more than a little unfair to those who are still going to work each day and have only a few minutes before work to post and read and then would have to return that night to have to search for their threads or even for other's threads they saw that morning.
IMO, the 'politics' filter is akin to throwing the baby out with the bath water, as there are people here from all sides of the politiacl landscape whose threads I enjoy reading and taking part in, and rarely rarely read A1's threads any more. I would much more prefer to read a real discussion started by Nick, Neptune, Boondawg, 2-T/A [At Work], Patrick, KidO, Fierobear etc than wade thru a crapload of innuendo, outright lies, and half truths from some blogger's C&P article. If these C&P "articles" are the best we can do, then we are in serious trouble come November. my 2 cents...
Like Roger, I support John's posts as it gives yet another take on things I wouldn't get otherwise. Whether it's right or wrong is NOT the point, as you all have been wrong in the past... it never stopped you from posting. I will also go on record stating I do not support this 'lock-down' on his ability to freely post for several reasons, his limited discussion reasoning being foremost.
That said, dude... you earned my revamp of your screen name years ago. I hereby christen you Agendavor1
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dratts Member
Posts: 8373 From: Coeur d' alene Idaho USA Registered: Apr 2001
I've been getting taxed on my social security ever since I retired. You're saying it's not taxable income?
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Originally posted by rogergarrison:
For the most part I agree with Avengador. Obama has cause more destruction to the US than Katrina. I also built my own businessES from the money in my own pocket. Never got a cent from anyone. Not government, friends or family. Obama is responsible for taking it though.
Just yesterday I got a bill from the local state revenue office. Apparently they felt I didnt pay my estimated state income taxes for the year so they levied a fine. I havent made anything since 2008 except social security. Other income I did make, barely covered the cost of keeping my garage open (so I could still work on my own cars) and didnt generate any spendable income. Social Security is not taxable income, so I have not paid any income taxes since 2008. I supplement my SS from my own retirement savings. I called them and they noted my reported income from those last years. I also pointed out that I had sent in returns for all those years from my accountant. I couldnt understand why I would have to make a estimated income tax payment when my expected taxes for 4 years were $0. They acknowleged it was a mistake, and the penalty would be removed and an exemption would be put in my records to be in effect unless I make a reportable income in the future. I dont even have to send in 1040s any more unless I make an income again. With the way the country is at its knees now, I dont forsee that happening in my lifetime again. Ill just take my SS and my savings and enjoy what I have left. Now Obama has to figure out a way, and Im sure he will try, to find some way to grab something more. Maybe he will try to change the law (by Executive Order to avoid Congress) so that Social Security becomes taxable income.
This guy has got to be beaten. 4 more years under his rule will turn the US into a 3rd world country. Were barely 2nd world now.
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Posts: 27106 From: Safe in the Carolinas Registered: Aug 2000
