This is just my first impression of driving an Ecotec powered Fiero.

A fellow club member brought his Ecotec Fiero over today. What a funky feeling going from a 4.9 to an exact opposite. They used the trans from the Donor car, I think it was an 03 Cavalier. The shift pattern is back wards so 1st is all the way to the right rather than the left.

It had much more bottom end than I was expecting. They installed aftermarket cams, header, and unique cold air kit on it. The trans uses a funky slave system that is inside the tranny and are having problems with the clutch not releasing all the way especially after hard driving.

Is there anyone out there running this setup right now. He could use some outside input on some of the quirks of the swap. If people want I can get some pics and post them up.

On a P.S. note they are thinking about slapping a Turbo on it to wake it up, as even as snappy as it is, for what is into it now, it should be able to handle a lot more power. The stock trans is suppose to be considerably stronger than the Fiero trans. Not sure how truth there is to that, but sure as heck looks different.

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this is the first ecotech fiero to ever run .i am working on mine right now but am a few weeks away from a test drive .got any pictures . i use the fiero slave to actuate the eco slave ,this works well.

Are all Ecotec Fieros going to have the reversed shift pattern? I would find that annoying. Other than that I look forward to more ecotec Fieros.

quote Originally posted by jscott1: Are all Ecotec Fieros going to have the reversed shift pattern? I would find that annoying. Other than that I look forward to more ecotec Fieros.

I agree, that would be VERY annoying, to the point I would not do the swap. Surely there is a way around that?? Also as said above, I believe this is the first ecotec Fiero. So of course we want pictures!! Hopefully he will get the bugs fixed. Keep us posted.

~josh~

quote Originally posted by jscott1: Are all Ecotec Fieros going to have the reversed shift pattern? I would find that annoying. Other than that I look forward to more ecotec Fieros.

instant anti-theft device!

i didn't know anyone had a driveable ecotec yet. i thought there was a problem in the ecm that was preventing the engine to run.

let us know if the owner plans on building a kit.

I thought I had some better pics, but what I have is here, http://24.86.139.106:8080/wcf/news/news.htm He had a shop do the actual install in Abbotsford B.C. Canada. They did have a real challenge with the ECM, but after some research got it working, I will get some better pics and post them up ASAP. I believe Archie has the key to fixing the shift pattern. He must have found a way around it when he made the kit for the G6,

my ecotec and 5 speed manual trans are from an 04 cavalier.i didnt have any problem getting it to run because i have the entire cavalier wiring harness.i dont understand what the problem is supposed to be with the cavalier ecm.i hooked it up to the motor and the motor runs ,no problem.also the cavalier key does not have a chip in it so i will be able to use my fiero ignition switch.the big challenge will be to get the speedo and tach to work.as for the backward shifter ,i am going to use the cavalier shifter and turn it so the pattern goes in the proper direction and extend the cables.i will have to make my own centre console to make everything fit.

quote Originally posted by wftb: .the big challenge will be to get the speedo and tach to work.

What is the issue with the speedo and tach? I would be surprised if the speedo used anything other than the standard 4000 ppm. The VSS probably goes to the ECM which probably converts it to 4000 ppm and sends it to the speedo.

The Fiero cluster will accept 4000 ppm, you might have to clamp the voltage or something. I have no idea how the Cavalier is wired but they are all pretty much wired the same.

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quote Originally posted by jscott1: Are all Ecotec Fieros going to have the reversed shift pattern? I would find that annoying. Other than that I look forward to more ecotec Fieros.

The power of a normal Ecotec would probably be more annoying. Those things need boost to be fun. Once I went to UK and got a Ford Escort (90s) as a rental car. You drive on the right side so you shift with the left hand but the pattern is the same. After coulpe hrs driving it was all natural to me. No big issue. And like someone else said it would be great for joy riders

the problem with all the wiring for this swap is that i have no diagrams for the cavalier harness. gm wants 279 dollars cdn for a shop manual.so to find all the wires i need to get stuff working is going to take a while.when i stretch out the harness ,it is over 25 feet long and theres got to be 50 connectors plus relays etc.

Thats funny, i'm selling a complete 2.2 Ecotec in the mall for $250

https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum4/HTML/032510.html

Take note:
if a 4.9 driver says the ecotec has much more bottom end than he was expecting then the little eco must reallly be strong off the line--

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quote Originally posted by jeffndebrus: Take note: if a 4.9 driver says the ecotec has much more bottom end than he was expecting then the little eco must reallly be strong off the line--

What I did not say is that also, the Ecotec had much less power in the upper RPM band that I was expecting. I was expecting Honda like performance, and it was much more like a hopped up 2.8. I have emailed Darcy to get some higher res pics of the engine to post up. I should have them by this evening to post up.

I hear the ecotecs are really tuneable. I just hope to find another Fiero

Is his ecotec Fiero that you got a ride in a 2.2L?

hey captain any more pictures?

What is the difference in the 2.2 and the Ecotec?
I know there is a difference in the block and what tranny they will mount to.
This is my car, it use to belong to Formulagator

i dont know much about the 2200 but the ecotec is an aluminum block with aluminum heads ,double overhead cam 4 cylinder engine.it is gm's world engine .rated at 140 horsepower ,i have read on many sites that it dynos at up to 170 hp.gm underrated it for insurance purposes.either way,it revs to 6500 and produces more power and torque than the stock 2.8 v6.plus it is a modern engine that is in production now.it is very easy to adapt to a fiero .you have to carve up some metal and do some welding to adapt the cavalier mounts and make a custom exhaust but this is nothing for anybody that has done a lot of work on their own cars.the engine tranny combo weighs 150 lbs less than the v6 setup.you further save weight by getting rid of stuff you no longer need(fans ,tubing , swapping a metal shifter for a plastic one etc.) it wont give the hp of a v8 but it will improve handling ,mileage ,and reliability.and if i really want to spend the money i can buy the turbo or supercharger kit and then it would run with most of the v8's.

The car was at our club meeting tonight - so stay tuned for more pictures!

The meetings probably wrapping up about now (I had to leave early), so pictures will be arriving soon I'm sure.

Yep just got home, offloading the pics from the Camera as I type this.

The meeting was good. Well except for Clynt blowing a coolant hose on 160th.

one thing I've noticed is how puny looking the headers look..is that a stock exhaust?

They are really quite large. The pics just make them look smaller. They seem larger than most tube headers on V8's. It is an aftermarket header designed for the motor. I don't have specs, I just know it was installed along with the new cams to wake it up a bit.

I'd be very interested in what this engine swap does to the weight balance.... Any ideas?

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on my setup the engine is further ahead towards the middle of the car than the v6.add to that 150 lbs less weight and i am expecting a better weight distrubution.this engine appears to be set in the same location as mine.

The Ariel Atom is going to be powered by an Ecotec
http://www.arielatom.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=137&Itemid=30
Looks like fun

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Anyone know if Archie's 6spd uses the same style trans with the internal slave? Also how are the cables setup on his. Wonder if Darcie (owner of the ecotec fiero) would be able to use any of Archies 6spd conversion parts to make his tranny better.

quote Originally posted by Jake_Dragon: What is the difference in the 2.2 and the Ecotec? I know there is a difference in the block and what tranny they will mount to. This is my car, it use to belong to Formulagator

quote Originally Posted by wftb: i dont know much about the 2200 but the ecotec is an aluminum block with aluminum heads ,double overhead cam 4 cylinder engine.it is gm's world engine .rated at 140 horsepower ,i have read on many sites that it dynos at up to 170 hp.gm underrated it for insurance purposes.either way,it revs to 6500 and produces more power and torque than the stock 2.8 v6.plus it is a modern engine that is in production now.it is very easy to adapt to a fiero .you have to carve up some metal and do some welding to adapt the cavalier mounts and make a custom exhaust but this is nothing for anybody that has done a lot of work on their own cars.the engine tranny combo weighs 150 lbs less than the v6 setup.you further save weight by getting rid of stuff you no longer need(fans ,tubing , swapping a metal shifter for a plastic one etc.) it wont give the hp of a v8 but it will improve handling ,mileage ,and reliability.and if i really want to spend the money i can buy the turbo or supercharger kit and then it would run with most of the v8's.

The old 2.2L and 2200 OHV series engines are iron block iron head inline 4 engines. 2 valves per cylinder. Not sure on the old 2.2, but the 2200 OHV is just that, an overhead valve with pushrods and everything. They make around 100-115 HP in the older (95-early02) Cavaliers, and was GM's economy motor for a while.

The 2.2L Ecotec is as stated, aluminum block/aluminum head DOHC motor. NOT to be confused with the 2200 OHV.
Like this:

quote Originally posted by Capt Fiero:

Nice looking car!

The Ecotech install looks pretty clean too, but he really needs to get that filter out of the engine bay. Might see a little bit more on the top end without the sucking of hot air into the engine.

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the six speed seems to be totally different ,it uses a jack shaft and hanger bearing on one side ,and different axles.i didnt notice any mention of the shifter in the post about lou dias's car .

quote Originally posted by Fiero Finale: I agree, that would be VERY annoying, to the point I would not do the swap. Surely there is a way around that?? Also as said above, I believe this is the first ecotec Fiero. So of course we want pictures!! Hopefully he will get the bugs fixed. Keep us posted. ~josh~

Put the gears in reverse. When you got the transmission out, take it apart and put the 1rst on the 5th, 2nd on the 4th.

I wonder if the UK or Aus transmission would have the gears numbered the right way?

i am using the cavalier shifter and putting it in wth the cables facing the front of the car .then i will extend the cables using my fiero cables and make a new shifter console.it then shifts with a normal pattern.

Resurrecting this thread cuz I'm wondering if someone up north would do an Ecotec swap for a small fee. Actually, this is not for me, it's for a friend... yeah, that's the ticket.

IIRC Dacry the owners of the Ecotec car in this thread. Paid out a tic over 10,000 to have the swap done. So I would not call it a small fee.

quote Originally posted by Capt Fiero: ... over 10,000 to have the swap done.

Let's see... 10000 CAN = 8,888.49 USD.

Do you know if that included the engine? My son wants the supercharged version.

I am not sure, what all was included. I will send him a note to come here and read over the recent replies.