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An Idea to Help Our Members in Need by Fierochic88
Started on: 09-01-2005 07:39 PM
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Updated: 10/11/2005

As many of you already know, we have switched from PayPal donations to the sale of Raffle Ticket's for the PFF Hurricane Relief Fund. Raffle tickets may be purchased at
http://www.auto-alley.com/katrinaraffle/. Those who already donated funds via PayPal may receive raffle tickets for those donations if they so wish. Please contact Darlene (fierogirls-mom) if you wish to receive raffle tickets for a prior donation. Her e-mail is dkenny06@yahoo.com. If you have not yet donated and wish to receive raffle tickets, please go directly to the link above.

Your donations will be tracked and and we will post a list of where the money is going.

PM Darlene for her for her postal address if you do not have PayPal and wish to purchase tickets. If you don't have paypal, send her a money order to her address. If you can't do money order then send a check to Darlene Kenny. All money will be accounted for. If anyone is going to paypal her money or send money, please, please include your user name too! That way we know who it's from.

IF YOU ARE A PFF'er IN NEED PLEASE CONTACT ME, FIEROCHIC88 WITH A WAY WE CAN GET MONEY TO YOU! You may be asked for some further information so please check your PM's!
WE HAVE FUNDS WE NEED TO GET TO YOU!

Contact Info for Located Members:

EXOTIC RIDA
anthony bradley
415 morgan falls rd apt 3203
atlanta ga 30350"
Anthony's clothing sizes are 32 x 32 pants and medium shirts. His shoe size is 10.5. if anyone has something they can send.

4.9 PFI Fiero has been heard from. He can be reached at this address:

Garrett Stewart
4805 Kellys Mill Dr. NW
LilBurn, Ga 30047-3727

He says "Thanks in advance for the gift. I hope my car will be spared as it is my first and only fiero. As for clothes, I could use some. I have some for now but I still can use a bit more to get through the weeks to come. Again thanks for everything.If someone has clothing to donate here are my sizes. Large/X-Large Shirts, 32 or 34in waist 32 or 34 length pants (sorry no shorts please "bird legs" lol)"

Also in from Archie:

"I have 3 customers in the areas stricken. AFAIK, none of them are on PFF but they are Fiero owners none the less. One of them lived in the area near New Orleans. I'm sure his place is underwater but we have not been able to contact him. Another one is North of N.O. I have heard from him & He & his family headed North when they were told to leave. He & his Fiero are staying with family. The 3rd. customer is a guy from the Chicago area. His wife & He just retired this year. Last Spring they bought a house just 3 blocks from the water front (in Biloxi) & moved in in April. I'm positive his home was washed away because I've seen his neighborhood in some of the TV coverage. We have not been able to contact him, I hope he's ok. I know his V-8 Fiero is ok because he left it with me for a Finale rebody."

Zoom88 has been accounted for and is okay. As have been Mis-Tress and 007.

FieroG97J (Dave Kauzlarich) has been located and is safe at home.

Ed & Rosy Parks are offering shelter to anyone who needs it. Fierotech can offer more details (see later in this thread). Additionally, they are willing to fix up somewhat running/running Fieros with titles to donate to members who lost theirs. Also see later in this thread (Page 3) for details. More info can also be received by contacting Jeremy at Fierotech@knology.net.

If anyone is displaced to Pheonix, AZ please contact Fierotaz if you need shelter or PM me for his phone number.

BigRed (Ellen) is collecting club t-shirts/show shirts to be included in this raffle. Shirts can be sent to:

Ellen Pepper
139 East Guilford Cemetery Road
Bainbridge, NY 13733

FocusRush is working to create a custom Fiero that will either be donated to a chosen member who has lost their Fiero or perhaps it will become part of the AusFiero & Friends Raffle. He will keep us posted. More info at https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/054256.html

Jen

DONATIONS THUS FAR: (not including raffle tickets purchased)

fierofetish
FieroMaster88
FocusRush
Electrathon
Fieroman
Anonymous
cptsnoopy
fierobear
Jonathan Connett (I don't know his user name)
Gordo & BigRed88
fieronv
HIOSILVER
Formula88
Fierotaz
jetman
RossT
Cheever3000
gldkarma
TheFieroStore
Patrick's Dad
Archie
gldkarma
Patrick's Dad
cliffw
solotwo

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Report this Post09-01-2005 07:47 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierogirls-momSend a Private Message to fierogirls-momDirect Link to This Post
Jen,

Nick (fierofetish) just paypalled me $90.00.
I asked him where he wanted it to go.
Cliffw is trying to get a centralized thing going in this thread
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/054227.html
Let me know what you want me to do, we need to get this all coordinated.

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I'm waiting to hear from Cliff. Perhaps we can utilize this thread to get this organized. Please let me know what you think of the ideas listed above. Dar - are you offering to collect money 'cause that is fine by me. You are an organized person! Cliffw - maybe you could coordinate a work crew?

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Report this Post09-01-2005 07:55 PM Click Here to See the Profile for fierogirls-momSend a Private Message to fierogirls-momDirect Link to This Post
Ever feel like you are going around in circles?
I just wrote you a note in the other thread!!!
Check it out!!
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Hehe.

I'm just going to keep writing to you here since the in the other thread you don't see this idea until you read halfway down and some people stop reading by then.

Thanks for the offer. If you can post your PayPal and snail mail address that would be a great start. What can I do to help you?

42 views and no one else has any thoughts? If each member donated $1 we'd have nearly 10k to help out our friends. Perhaps if we get an extreme amount we can donate some to Red Cross too.

Jen

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Okay, my paypal account is dkenny06@yahoo.com

Snail mail is:

PM, me for that, please!

If you don't have paypal, maybe send me a money order to my address. That way I can get the cash faster.

If anyone is going to paypal me money or send money, please, please include your user name too!
That way I know who it's from.

I'll post everyones I get, I'll start another reply with that, that way everyone knows I received the funds.

Jen, if you could maybe find/figure out who needs the help, that would be awesome.
Should we wait awhile? Or send it to whomever checks in now?

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I RECEIVED FUNDS FROM THE FOLLOWING PEOPLE

Fierofetish
FieroMaster88
FocusRush
Electrathon
Fieroman
Anonymous
cptsnoopy
fierobear
enthashyt
Gordo & BigRed88
fieronv
HIOSILVER
Formula88
Fierotaz
jetman
RossT
Cheever3000
gldkarma
Patrick's Dad
Archie
cliffw
solotwo

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We can start with checks now (in the $50) amounts to people in need. I will be sending money in the AM when I get paid so we can at least cover a few people with $50 for now.

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Okay, I have Anthony's address, but nobody elses.
I guess I start with him.

Since I work at the Post Office, I'll eat the fee for the money orders.
That way they can cash it right away!

Anthony, I'll be mailing you more money tomorrow!

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One more thing, anyone affected by this, please PM me or Jen your address!

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The top is updated to reflect current information.

67 hits so far. If each person had donated $5 that would be $335!!!

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Running total

$ 3829.05 Total that came in (see above for members)
- 115.69 Paypal fees
- 50.00 Money order to Exotica Rida (9/2)
- 100.00 Money order to Exotica Rida (9/10)
- 150.00 Money order to 4.9 Fiero (9/10)

$ 3413.36 Left so far

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quote
Originally posted by Fierochic88:

If each person had donated $5 ...

I'll send considerably more than $5, and hoping all others who can will. FGM: see pm request for address.

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Originally posted by Cheever3000:


I'll send considerably more than $5, and hoping all others who can will. FGM: see pm request for address.

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FGM-please pm me your address.

I also agree that we keep this in one thread, and since I started the other one, I'll say this one is fine with me, thus, I'm going to ask that everyone post here and :
"Cliff, would you close the other one please? Thank you."

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Jenn, you may want to edit and paste Anthony's (Exotic Rida) address into your opening post.
(Thanks for the update Anthony)

"i heared from 4.9 PFI FIERO...
he is ok in the superdome.......
thank god my friend is alive!

thanks to all who offered to help, its really appreciated, ill send some more p.m. later but now i have to get around so i can see if i can start working somewhere........


heres is where i am at...

anthony bradley
415 morgan falls rd apt 3203
atlanta ga 30350
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Great idea. We'll see what we can send.

Steve & Mary

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Bump to keep this at the top.
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Glad I could help.
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Okay, I'm hitting the sack. I was up at 4 am for work and I'm a bit tired.
I'll check back in the morning! Thanks all! Nighty, night!!
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Originally posted by Fierochic88:
67 hits so far. If each person had donated $5 that would be $335!!!
Jen

I have $200.00 immediate if this thing ever gets organized and even if not. Some are going to need it more than others. $50.00 dollars a victim may not help the best way. I have been through a disaster or two with Red Cross/ FEMA aid. We do not need to duplicate their efforts. This thing is gonna be on going. If they can not live there for two months or so, they have no jobs for two months at least.

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Originally posted by Fierochic88: Cliffw - maybe you could coordinate a work crew?
Jen

I would be glad to. Honored. Who wants to come along, where do we go, what do we need to do ? I need to know so I can prepare.
Dar, I believe you are the financial officer. I do not do pay pal but I am ready to electronically transfer funds from my account to yours. It is safe but I need limited account data. It will be a bank to bank transaction. PM me your phone number and I will have Cindi call you on our dime and we will get this done. We are both free all day, you pick the time for the call.
I take that back...."honey dews" PM me your number and you will hear from me.
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Originally posted by fierogirls-mom:

Running total

$ 90.00
- 3.81 fee from PayPal (GRRRR)
86.19
- 50.00 for Exotica Rida (sending 9/2)
36.19 left in my account
+ 65.00 from FieroMaster
- 2.19 damn fee
$ 99.00 left in account
+ 20.00 from FocusRush
- .88 frigin fee!
$ 118.22 left in account

Nothing personal Fierochick, I know your heart is in the right place. BUT If you all would donate to the Red Cross or Salvation army MORE of your money would go for disaster relief. Why are you donating 4.4 percent to Paypal? Also, in a time when the phones and electricity aren't working how are you getting money to the members--and what will they do with it? I 'spect there aren't many groceries open down there to take the cash.

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I wasn't aware that pay pal took that much!
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Originally posted by Brian Lamberts:


Nothing personal Fierochick, I know your heart is in the right place. BUT If you all would donate to the Red Cross or Salvation army MORE of your money would go for disaster relief. Why are you donating 4.4 percent to Paypal? Also, in a time when the phones and electricity aren't working how are you getting money to the members--and what will they do with it? I 'spect there aren't many groceries open down there to take the cash.

It insures DIRECT help for PFF'ers (the family)

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Originally posted by Brian Lamberts:


Nothing personal Fierochick, I know your heart is in the right place. BUT If you all would donate to the Red Cross or Salvation army MORE of your money would go for disaster relief. Why are you donating 4.4 percent to Paypal? Also, in a time when the phones and electricity aren't working how are you getting money to the members--and what will they do with it? I 'spect there aren't many groceries open down there to take the cash.

Maybe some of us did donate to the red cross. This was a direct way to help people we talk to every day.

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Originally posted by FieroMaster88:
Maybe some of us did donate to the red cross. This was a direct way to help people we talk to every day.

Exactly why I am doing both, and I will not use PayPal. I am going top use the free electronic bank transfer available to all and much safer.
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Originally posted by FieroMaster88:

Maybe some of us did donate to the red cross. This was a direct way to help people we talk to every day.

MTE (my thoughts exactly)


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While i dont have the ability to donate cash i do have a bunch of parts that would be donated if any one needs them. Ray Pm me and i will see about eating the shipping cost (best i can do SORRY) wish i could do more
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No extra cash..

However, I have clothes... mens, womens, kids...

just give me an address and I'll get 'em shipped.

For a cheap car.. I'm selling the ex's SE for a third of what it cost me... (the same one that caused all the crap with Fiero Finale.. yes, the title is clear)

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I have an idea Jen that can make $10,000 fairly easily.
I will start another thread about it. Are you and Fierogirlsmum able to administer it and collect the money?
Link to new thread soon.
Read here.
https://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum1/HTML/054260.html

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Originally posted by Brian Lamberts:


Nothing personal Fierochick, I know your heart is in the right place. BUT If you all would donate to the Red Cross or Salvation army MORE of your money would go for disaster relief. Why are you donating 4.4 percent to Paypal? Also, in a time when the phones and electricity aren't working how are you getting money to the members--and what will they do with it? I 'spect there aren't many groceries open down there to take the cash.


We already heard from one of our members, he's displaced in GA. That would be Exotica Rida, he said he lost everything. I personally expressed him a money order for $100 yesterday so he could buy some underwear, socks, shirts, maybe jeans too. I couldn't imagine not having a change of clothes to wear. When we hear from the other people, whether it be a few weeks from now, or tomorrow. I figure they will need food, water, maybe shelter. Plus, I'm sure they don't have jobs anymore, so I think money will be best to hold them over.
I'm keeping close track of the money I'm getting and trying to document it on here in case things go horribly wrong. If they do, then I'll send the money back to everyone. Although, since we heard from one and he heard from his friend (4.9, he's in the superdome) I'm sure we will be able to send the money to them if no one else. And yes, the paypal thing sucks, that's why I'm getting money orders from some people.

Oh and by the way. I want to thank all of you that trust me well enough to do this. Most of you wouldn't know me if I bumped into you crossing the street!

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Originally posted by Fierochic88:
Cliffw - maybe you could coordinate a work crew?
Jen

As stated, I would love to. My schedule makes it permissable as I work a week on then am off for a week. I have thought of the first thing I can do.
I recently went through 100 and 500 year floods. The sediment from receding waters is unbelievable. It needs to be power washed out. Possibly after much shoveling. Many things will need to be power washed also so they can be reused.
I have an industrial grade professional trailer mounted steam cleaner which can supply two wands. I think I have everthing I need to rig it up as such. When we can get in there it will be very useful.
I volunteer to go as far as New Orleans and help clean up.
I also have a small portable pressure washer like you see in Home Depot I can leave up there. It can be passed around anywhere in the affected area. If anyone has an immediate need I can check into shipping it out that way. Not sure if it is feasable, just an idea.
Another idea. I believe FocusRush has offered to replace damaged Fieros with ones we can muster up and make ready. I thought that if each of the closest Fiero clubs would haul out one of the affected Fieros and through club effort repair it (tech sessions), our friends would love to have their own cars back.

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Exactly why I am doing both, and I will not use PayPal. I am going top use the free electronic bank transfer available to all and much safer.

How are you doing this?
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Nothing personal Fierochick, I know your heart is in the right place. BUT If you all would donate to the Red Cross or Salvation army MORE of your money would go for disaster relief. Why are you donating 4.4 percent to Paypal? Also, in a time when the phones and electricity aren't working how are you getting money to the members--and what will they do with it? I 'spect there aren't many groceries open down there to take the cash.

Point taken but as someone said most of us have already donated to the Red Cross and want to help our members in need directly. Though it will be a while til we hear from some of them, the money will be here when we do. Most of the hard hits will be evacuated and need money to get on their feet (like Exotic Rida). As far as PayPal, I am going to try and get them to waive their fees. I'm currently awaiting a response. But at least, fees or not, some people will donate online when they otherwise wouldn't get around to sending a check or M.O.

Jen

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Everyone please always check the top post as I will attempt to keep the most current information up there.

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We have several ideas to help PFF hurricane victims:

FGM- collecting money and sending directly to those in need. ( in progress)

Aus- Raffle scoops and Mr. Mikes 5$ a ticket. Money goes to FGM and is retro active for all members that donated already.
( FGM should start sending out tickets to previous donators.)??

Fiero focus- project Hurricane started as fiero for victim ,now might be part of AUS raffle?? IMHO keep original idea pick name out of hat( so to speak) with only names of the pff'ers that lost cars. ( please decide soon)

Many PFFers have offered car parts - awsome idea. someone needs to inventory donations of this type for use when needed by victims. May be awhile down the road but still great to think ahead.

As always RED CROSS is a great idea, although not fiero forum specific.

I will be donating soon but wanted to see if I uderstood the multiple threads correctly.

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Originally posted by FieroVin:

We have several ideas to help PFF hurricane victims:

FGM- collecting money and sending directly to those in need. ( in progress)

Aus- Raffle scoops and Mr. Mikes 5$ a ticket. Money goes to FGM and is retro active for all members that donated already.
( FGM should start sending out tickets to previous donators.)??

Fiero focus- project Hurricane started as fiero for victim ,now might be part of AUS raffle?? IMHO keep original idea pick name out of hat( so to speak) with only names of the pff'ers that lost cars. ( please decide soon)

Many PFFers have offered car parts - awsome idea. someone needs to inventory donations of this type for use when needed by victims. May be awhile down the road but still great to think ahead.

As always RED CROSS is a great idea, although not fiero forum specific.

I will be donating soon but wanted to see if I uderstood the multiple threads correctly.

Mrs Fiero Vin

The "money related" efforts are listed at the top of this thread but the raffle one is vague yet as Aus needs to firm up donations to the raffle from Vendors. Once that is done tickets will be able to be purchased from Darlene. An announcement will be made when this can occur. This is seperate from the donations we received thus far - basically an additional effort unless Aus decides he wants us to give tickets to those who already donated.

The other efforts are actual Fieros and parts that are being coordinated by various members outside of this thread.

Also, Cliffw has offered to head up a work crew when the time comes. More info on that will follow.

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How are you doing this?
TG

We bank with Wells Fargo. They offer a service called Bill Pay. I am sure many banks have the same type of thing. I can pay anything electroniacally by entering some info.
 
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How are you doing this?
TG

I don't know, the wife does it. I do know she goes to a screen from our banks website and basically follows prompts. I think PayPal sucks ane are also making money from us not realizing that we do not need them. Why would we want them to have sensitive information. The less the better. Banks usually have pretty sophisticated security measures and they offer account protection to their members.
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