It appears that the 4.9 has come from being a niche' swap to possibly the most widely popular swap with numerous 4.9s being swapped at the moment. So has 4.9 fever struck PFF?
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Posts: 2267 From: South Florida,USA Registered: Jul 2003
The justification for the 4.9L swap is definitely very attractive. Consider an "average" Fiero owner driving his high-mileage stock 2.8L V6 - he suddenly tosses a rod or spins a bearing. Dead Fiero. They then look at the cost of rebuilding the 2.8L V6, then at the cost of a replacement 3.4L V6... then happens to notice that a 4.9L V8 can be swapped in for the same or less... Hmmm- which way to go from there? Cheap power... 'nuff said!
Any one in MN with a 4.9 Fiero? Seems like they are all in Michigan and Florida. If not maybe I'll be the first. Sorry Tim the N* is too much money.
Well... Ken Anderson supposedly has one mounted on a cradle over in Hastings - but no car to install it in. Also, my Dad's got a 4.9L V8 sitting on the floor in his garage - but he hasn't actually started in on it yet
I know a couple of years ago when the 4.9s were just starting to show up in Fieros - there was someone in a northern suburb who did the swap, but I didn't even see the car until it was being sold on Ebay - so I never got to see it in person!
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Mastermind Member
Posts: 1396 From: Chicago, 4.9 IL Registered: Apr 2002
Obviously it has become very popular but your ratings bar is becoming very unpopular with many PFFers stay strong .
That's regrettable, because the 4.9 swap as a topic is just as legitimate as any other swap or topic. And obviously so, look at how many people that have been struck by 4.9 fever.
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ThaFieroMunk Member
Posts: 945 From: Whitby, Ontario, Canada Registered: Dec 2002
The 4.9 is becoming increasingly popular, you're right. Now that PBJ is doing the swap up here in Ontario, its becoming even more popular. bubbajoe has also been around here for a while too.
Mastermind, I can tell you're extremely excited about the 4.9, I'm sure you love it but pretty much every thread that you start seems to be about hyping up the 4.9. I think a lot of people here either get bored or annoyed by it. I for one am a big fan of the 4.9 and I want one eventually so I like the threads you start, but it just seems to me that some others don't.
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Mastermind Member
Posts: 1396 From: Chicago, 4.9 IL Registered: Apr 2002
The 4.9 is becoming increasingly popular, you're right. Now that PBJ is doing the swap up here in Ontario, its becoming even more popular. bubbajoe has also been around here for a while too.
Mastermind, I can tell you're extremely excited about the 4.9, I'm sure you love it but pretty much every thread that you start seems to be about hyping up the 4.9. I think a lot of people here either get bored or annoyed by it. I for one am a big fan of the 4.9 and I want one eventually so I like the threads you start, but it just seems to me that some others don't.
I say once again I find that regrettable. I have no problem ignoring threads that don't appeal to me. I don't see why that's so hard for a few others. Well..if I'm rated negatively because I post 4.9 topics maybe one day I'll be rated postively for the very same reason.
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motoboy171 Member
Posts: 101 From: St. Michael, MN USA Registered: Jun 2004
The justification for the 4.9L swap is definitely very attractive. Consider an "average" Fiero owner driving his high-mileage stock 2.8L V6 - he suddenly tosses a rod or spins a bearing. Dead Fiero. They then look at the cost of rebuilding the 2.8L V6, then at the cost of a replacement 3.4L V6... then happens to notice that a 4.9L V8 can be swapped in for the same or less... Hmmm- which way to go from there? Cheap power... 'nuff said!
Exactly what happened to me! (spun bearing) I too loked at the alternatives (2.8 3.4) but the 4.9 made so much more sense.
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1MohrFiero Member
Posts: 4363 From: Paducah, Ky Registered: Apr 2003
You trying to convince us or yourself? Why are you trying to cram the 4.9 down our throats?
I guess you missed the the following when I posted it in this thread earlier?
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I say once again I find that regrettable. I have no problem ignoring threads that don't appeal to me. I don't see why that's so hard for a few others. Well..if I'm rated negatively because I post 4.9 topics maybe one day I'll be rated postively for the very same reason.
So why not save yourself such consternation by just skipping threads with 4.9s as a topic? Easy right?
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Golden86 Member
Posts: 1191 From: Glen Ellyn IL Registered: Jan 2004
I have been thinking of an engine swap latley, and want to know all my options. I won't be doing this till next winter, but I like to have all the info FAR in advance. How much money it it to swap a 4.9, say compaired to a 3800? Also what trans do you use? Is wiring a problem? ect...ect...
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Fieroking Member
Posts: 2150 From: Coeur D Alene Idaho USA Registered: Jun 2002
my dad just got our 4.9 with the alante(bad spellin) intake after it has been done for a year we will have pics up soon with the intake weare over 200 at the tires.
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I have been thinking of an engine swap latley, and want to know all my options. I won't be doing this till next winter, but I like to have all the info FAR in advance. How much money it it to swap a 4.9, say compaired to a 3800? Also what trans do you use? Is wiring a problem? ect...ect...
If your doing it your self figure $2K, 3800 SC $4000, SBC 3K Plus Engine
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Golden86 Member
Posts: 1191 From: Glen Ellyn IL Registered: Jan 2004
Honestly, how hard is it to swap out an engine. I have never done a swap, or any thing that big (automotive wise) in my life. I will have all winter, and I am a person who learns very fast. Is it something where I need to be a GM tech, or basicly be able to take an engine apart and put it back together, just unbolting and bolting things together. And how can an SBC be just alittle more than the 4.9? But I also have my dad on my side, who has been a GM mechanic for 27 years.
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Honestly, how hard is it to swap out an engine. I have never done a swap, or any thing that big (automotive wise) in my life. I will have all winter, and I am a person who learns very fast. Is it something where I need to be a GM tech, or basicly be able to take an engine apart and put it back together, just unbolting and bolting things together. And how can an SBC be just alittle more than the 4.9? But I also have my dad on my side, who has been a GM mechanic for 27 years.
No idea how hard it is, I have more cash than balls, so I had PBJ do my swap. The SBC is 3K for the MAster Build Kit then you need an Engine.
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Golden86 Member
Posts: 1191 From: Glen Ellyn IL Registered: Jan 2004
Oh, that brings me to my next question, who in my area (chicago) does 4.9 or 3800 swaps for a decent price? I am just trying to see if the extra labor cost is worth not having my neighbors move out due to my constant swearing durring the whole process
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Oh, that brings me to my next question, who in my area (chicago) does 4.9 or 3800 swaps for a decent price? I am just trying to see if the extra labor cost is worth not having my neighbors move out due to my constant swearing durring the whole process
I think Twin Lakes does 3800's and dath Fiero will do just about anything you want.
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Golden86 Member
Posts: 1191 From: Glen Ellyn IL Registered: Jan 2004
Alot of ppl are doing this swap but in my opinion it's not the cheapest swap by far..... Unless you have good fabrication skills and a nice mig welder Then once you start tearing down the car you start getting picky about old parts that you now want new Mine without tools with car came to about $4000 when I was done $700 bucks to rims and tires and another $260bucks for spoiler and car cost me $1200. and I did make money off of the old pfi stuff I sold for $140 without computer or computer side of harness.
It's human nature to start getting picky about old parts... I know it was in my nature
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yeah, I know twin laks does them, but they want around $11,000 a little out of my range. I am looking at, TOPS $7000.
Not Sure where Elmhust is but I can make it to Angola (Fremont) indiana in 3 hours and then it's an hour from my house to london and PBJ will do it, and whle you have to contact him for a price I know it's Half of Twin Lakes price before the exchange rate (which saves you even more money) add to that the fact that PBJ is a 4.9 god and your all set.
The only person that I see overcome by 4.9 fever is you. Thats all you post about. give it a rest already.
Why would someone swap in a 4.9 liter engine? its like swapping in a 305 chevy engine (5.0 liter) and then not being able to touch it after that aftermarket wise. Um why throw in a 305 when you can throw in a 350? You dont' see too many people throw in a 305 unless they get the engine dirt cheap. Oh wait yea, cheap, its the fiero owners way
And I will say this mastermind. You don't need a digital camera to get digital pictures. Use a regular camera and then when you develop the film pay the extra $5 to have the pics digitized onto a cd. I am sure you saved at least $5 in your engine swap somewhere knowign how cheap these turd engiens are. KNOWING THIS NOW YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE NOT TO POST PICS OF YOUR ENGINE AND CAR.
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Mastermind Member
Posts: 1396 From: Chicago, 4.9 IL Registered: Apr 2002
The only person that I see overcome by 4.9 fever is you. Thats all you post about. give it a rest already.
Why would someone swap in a 4.9 liter engine? its like swapping in a 305 chevy engine (5.0 liter) and then not being able to touch it after that aftermarket wise. Um why throw in a 305 when you can throw in a 350? You dont' see too many people throw in a 305 unless they get the engine dirt cheap. Oh wait yea, cheap, its the fiero owners way
And I will say this mastermind. You don't need a digital camera to get digital pictures. Use a regular camera and then when you develop the film pay the extra $5 to have the pics digitized onto a cd. I am sure you saved at least $5 in your engine swap somewhere knowign how cheap these turd engiens are. KNOWING THIS NOW YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE NOT TO POST PICS OF YOUR ENGINE AND CAR.
Have a nice day
Pun, we've had this discussion before. Too bad if you don't like 4.9s as a topic their are plenty PFF members that do. So why not simply avoid them by not reading the thread? Oh you say that's something you can't do? Well I guess you have 4.9 fever too.
And I will say this mastermind. You don't need a digital camera to get digital pictures. Use a regular camera and then when you develop the film pay the extra $5 to have the pics digitized onto a cd. I am sure you saved at least $5 in your engine swap somewhere knowign how cheap these turd engiens are. KNOWING THIS NOW YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE NOT TO POST PICS OF YOUR ENGINE AND CAR.
And I will say this mastermind. You don't need a digital camera to get digital pictures. Use a regular camera and then when you develop the film pay the extra $5 to have the pics digitized onto a cd. I am sure you saved at least $5 in your engine swap somewhere knowign how cheap these turd engiens are. KNOWING THIS NOW YOU HAVE NO EXCUSE NOT TO POST PICS OF YOUR ENGINE AND CAR.
Pun this is a 4.9 Thread if you don't like them stay out. Simple solution.
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86fieroEarl Member
Posts: 2203 From: Orlando, FL Registered: Jun 2002
there is noughting wrong about posting about a 4.9 swap.... Lighten up guys.... Myself? I love reading on 4.9 topics.
I like the weight of these and the torc band these put out is why I took a interest in them, I personally wanted my car to stay close to stock weight and about the aftermarket there's been already proven ways of getting more out of this engine.
Im still shopping around for a turbo for my carbed 4.9 so far the ones that came out of a 79 to 81 trans am had turbos and they did have 305s or 301s All I know is the motor was basically the same as the 4.9 in powerband and this motor was also carbed.
Just a tip for all you carb users Hopely I will be the first test subject in the carbed turbo. I believe if the holley carb is rejetted it might work but I also have a old quad jet sitting here for observation.
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