Tang-Band sub-woofer upgrade (Page 1/13)
fierosound DEC 19, 09:17 AM
Just part of the Indy's complete stereo makeover http://www.fiero.nl/forum/F.../HTML/000031.html#p0

How many have done or considered doing the Tang-Band sub-woofer upgrade to their factory system?

I purchased the TANG BAND W5-1138SM 5-1/4" Neodymium Subwoofer from Parts Express
http://www.parts-express.co...m-subwoofer--264-831

Here's a comparison of the Rodney's replacement sub to the larger Tang Band subwoofer


Granted, you won’t end up with monster bass that 2 12’s will give you, but the increase in bass capability over stock will be more than enough for most people and is definitely worth doing. And the best part is "everything fits" and doesn't require a huge amount of fabrication.

I started with Rodney's subwoofer speaker with a Fiero Store sub-housing that just bolts into the Fiero since it's a factory duplicate. If you have an 86 or newer, your heater box should already have the correct support bracket that supports the Convenience Center (chime box, flasher etc) as well as the sub-housing.

This picture shows how the Fiero subwoofer box is mounted. I originally sealed the box to try it out, as the port is tuned to the original subwoofer and I had Rodney's speaker.



I wasn't happy with the result, and got the Tang-Band subwoofer instead.

To mount the Tang-Band speaker, I made a mounting ring from 3/4" MFD. The edges were coated with silicone (to seal) before slipping it in and attaching it through the sides with screws. Pre-drill the holes or the MDF will split. Use the original screws. Regular wood screws are basically a wedge and will split the MDF as well.

A better choice may be to use 5/8" thick plastic cutting board material that you can buy at a Dollar Store.




I came across some information from Tim on how to tune the enclosure for this speaker.


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Originally posted by timgray:
... if you are using the Tang Band speaker, stuff the enclosure loosely with poly-fill, put a little in the port tube and cut 2" inches off the open end of longer end of the port tube to tune the box perfectly to the Tang Band 5.25" subwoofer driver.

I just finished tuning up one of these to match that box. Using the port tube with a bit of the poly fill in the tube helps to reduce velocity in the tube and makes it possible for you to tune it to the enclosure and get 35% more bass from it and make it sound better. - Tim



I reinstalled the tube with this modification and it works "as advertised" - deeper bass.
I readjusted the amplifier gain to balance the system again. Thanks Tim...

The subwoofer attaches to the front. The stock grill will no longer fit, so I used the mounting ring and grill from another speaker (sanded and painted Satin Black) to protect the subwoofer.




This sub-woofer setup reportedly works well with the factory sub amplifier, just connect the speaker as you normally would.

For my system, I decided to use an Xtant 1.1i 100 watt mono amp to drive the subwoofer. The Xtant amp is 6.5" x 5.7" x 1.6" high which will fit under the passenger seat out of the way. This tiny amp really delivers and is perfect for the job. Amp specs http://www.xtant.com/archiv...oducts/xtant1.1i.cfm



Comparison of the amp size to the deck.


I purchased a Delco radio adapter harness (simplifies A LOT) to connect the new Delco to the Fiero's wiring harness. I made all my new connections in this harness so as not to modify any of the car's wiring. The NE-7V adaptor taps the signals from the front speaker wires and provides 2 RCA level outputs (left/right) that will run the subwoofer. These will connect to the adjustable PFMOD LP-1 Low Pass crossover which sends a mono signal to the Xtant subwoofer amp which then powers the subwoofer.

Amp with Low Pass filter and line output adapter wired to the radio adapter harness


NE-7V adapter http://www.davidnavone.com/adaptor_products.htm
PFMOD LP-1 crossover http://store.hlabs.com/pk4/...e.pl?view_product=26

My complete system in my Indy http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/081643.html

Many thanks to Bigfieroman who did the initial research on this
http://www.fiero.nl/forum/A...090219-2-076432.html

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[This message has been edited by fierosound (edited 03-26-2021).]

Pyrthian DEC 19, 10:23 AM
I did something very simaler - was inspired by your original thread.
I went to a 6-1/2" sub in the factory housing.
used the basicly the same appraoch. made a MDF mount, was 2 layers, 1st one to fit in the enclosure, 2nd layer to mount the speaker to. so, it sticks out a 1/2" more.
I also have cut 6x9's into the rear firewall, with fiberglass enclosures.
Brastic DEC 19, 11:20 AM
Because of your write up, I have built two Tang-Band / Fiero Store factory sub woofer enclosures. I agree that it does not hit like 12"s, but it gets the job done. The hardest part was cutting out the MDF to seal between the sub and the enclosure and then sealing it. My only complaint now is the price has gone up. The Tang-Band use to be $18.
fierosound DEC 19, 11:37 AM

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Originally posted by Brastic:

My only complaint now is the price has gone up. The Tang-Band use to be $18.



I see that. Still worth it I think though. People who've heard my setup hear "a lot more subwoofer" than what they'd expect from a 6" speaker.

I read through all the reviews (a couple Fiero owners in there too) and only saw only one(?) bad review. Maybe he got a faulty one?? Everyone else seemed more than happy with the results in all their different applications.

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joshh44 DEC 19, 12:04 PM
my car never came with the subwoofer option when i bought it last year.
i kinda like the idea of having the subwoofer hidden.
would the subbox thing there fit under my dash even tho it never had a subwoofer?

i had a 10" woofer in the center of the car, but that got stolen not to long ago.
so my next plan was to put it behind the seat but i dont want to cut up the rear firewall.
i dont waqnt something over kill with bass eather.
82-T/A [At Work] DEC 19, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by fierosound:

How many have done or considered doing the Tang-Band sub-woofer upgrade to their factory system?

Granted, you won’t end up with monster bass that 2 12’s will give you, but the increase in bass capability over stock will be more than enough for most people and is definitely worth doing. And the best part is "everything fits" and doesn't require a huge amount of fabrication.
Many thanks to Bigfieroman who did the initial research on this http://www.fiero.nl/forum/Forum2/HTML/076432.html





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StockGT DEC 19, 01:16 PM
Does anyone have a suggestion on a suitable amp for this factory size sub-woofer project? The Xtant 100 watt mono amp is no longer in production. Most of the amps today are way over 100 watts, the most common size being 1200 watts. I have also been looking for kit built amps in the 40 to 60 watt range.

This looks like a great upgrade project put together by Fierosound and Bigfieroman. I could get started when I find the right size amp.
fierosound DEC 19, 03:13 PM

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Originally posted by joshh44:

my car never came with the subwoofer option when i bought it last year.
i kinda like the idea of having the subwoofer hidden.
would the subbox thing there fit under my dash even tho it never had a subwoofer?




Yup. My 84 Indy didn't have it either and why I went this route. I think it was only available on 86-88 Fieros as an option. That's why 86 an up cars MAY already have the bracket.
ohio86se DEC 19, 03:33 PM
My question is : What happens to the overhead factory sub control if you use an alternate sub amp?

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Lilchief DEC 19, 04:36 PM
This is something I've been wanting to do myself. I've gotten most of the speakers except for the Tang-Band subwoofer and some cables. I'm having a hard time finding the Xtant 1.1i amp, any suggestions?

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