Why shouldn't I leave the username in? He posted it himself and obviously isn't ashamed of his actions so why should I delete the name? All I did is quote him with his own words.
It's not like he called me and told me all this on the phone and then I came here and posted it. He made the post himself in "THIS" forum and I simply started and new thread to discuss the post he himself made.
Geeze people, hate the guy who did the crime not the guy who wanted to see what everyone else thought of "his" actions.
So if he freely admitted it, why did you feel the need to repost it for everyone? It was plain to see in the original thread. Do you feel better now that you've taddled on him? What did you hope to accomplish?
And for the record, yes it's stealing, and no I don't care.
So it was the fact that he bragged about it that made you feel you had the right to rat him out? That somehow wasn't enough, you had to air what he said to the world so they'd come down on him? I'm lost, who told you you had an obligation to point him out?
So it was the fact that he bragged about it that made you feel you had the right to rat him out? That somehow wasn't enough, you had to air what he said to the world so they'd come down on him? I'm lost, who told you you had an obligation to point him out?
He ratted himself out by posting it to begin with. "He" aired it to the world when he posted it on a open public forum. "He" pointed himself out by saying...look at what I did!
You can be ticked at me all you want for starting a thread but I tell you what...it sure doesn't say a lot for your character by defending his actions.
If you notice that I have'nt repied to all the people that said what they had to say about the question at hand... It's because no comment was needed. I read their opinion and left it at that (reason I started the thread to begin with). You on the other hand just seem to go on and on and on about me slamming him when all I did was quote "his own words". If he feels so strongly about being called a thief then he shouldn't have made a post saying he stole stuff. UH DUH!
Talk to any detective and they will tell you that most crimes are solved due to the fact that the perp. couldn't keep his fat mouth shut.
Lets all go commit crimes and then brag about it and get all ticked at the world when we get caught. Makes sense to me. NOT!
He posted in a thread, he didn't start one about being a thief, you did. What you did was slander him. I think what you did was more uncalled for than what he did. His past doesn't define him, he's still a human being. You think that because he swept some things in his pocket he's no longer entitled to his dignity? Why did you take it so personally and involve yourself, it had nothing to do with you! You think because you feel you've been cheated before you have the obligation to tell other people about everything you read?
He posted in a thread, he didn't start one about being a thief, you did. What you did was slander him. I think what you did was more uncalled for than what he did. His past doesn't define him, he's still a human being. You think that because he swept some things in his pocket he's no longer entitled to his dignity? Why did you take it so personally and involve yourself, it had nothing to do with you! You think because you feel you've been cheated before you have the obligation to tell other people about everything you read?
Your ignorance is really starting to show here. I bet I would have an easier time, in court, proving he is a thief then you would have charging me with slander. You need to look up the definition. I could not be charged with slander for quoting his "own" post. Your morals are messed up if you think theft is less of a crime than quoting a confession. If he was worried about his dignity then he should not have posted his crime on an open forum.
There seems to be a lot more people in this thread that agree it is theft, then there are people who agree with you.
This thread is like cross-posting a video someone posted of them driving on the street at well over the posted speed limit (there are probably hundreds of these on Pennock's alone) in a new thread with the title: "POLL: Do you consider this speeding?" JimmyS, why don't you call out the speeders too?
Your ignorance is really starting to show here. I bet I would have an easier time, in court, proving he is a thief then you would have charging me with slander. You need to look up the definition. I could not be charged with slander for quoting his "own" post. Your morals are messed up if you think theft is less of a crime than quoting a confession. If he was worried about his dignity then he should not have posted his crime on an open forum.
There seems to be a lot more people in this thread that agree it is theft, then there are people who agree with you.
I'm through discussing this with you.
So two wrongs make a right then? Since he did something bad, you're totally justified in defaming his character? Even though nothing he did had anything to do with you? I'm sure you've never broken any laws, right? How bout we put you up on the block next and everyone can judge you? Get over yourself.
Our local scrap car dealer is very sensible about this kind of thing, IMHO. Anything that would cost less than 10 euros new, does NOT warrant being charged for secondhand, and you are free to take them..as long as you declare them, AND buy something whilst you are there. Sadly, no matter HOW low they set the bar, there are always people who will try to wriggle under it. In other words, they now think it is fair game to take things that are less than 20 euros to buy new, without paying. I have always gone to the owner with anything I have a use for. You would not believe how many things he gives ME for free, and a good price on things I HAVE to pay for, whilst I have seen him charge over the odds to other people for something they have wanted to buy. I asked him why he did that, once...and he smiled, and said 'that guy walks out with more stuff he doesn´t pay for than you would imagine..so I get the money for him by charging HIM more than I would charge you, or anybody else WHO RESPECTS MY BUSINESS. And if he doesn´t come back, I have one less thief to worry about'. I can also take things without paying for them at the time, because I might see something I didn´t expect to see there, and don't have the money to pay at that visit. I always make a point of going back and paying, then walking out the yard without even looking for something else. He then knows I came back to pay the debt, rather than just pay for it because I want something else That is a luxury that being honest earns, and again, IMHO, makes up for me having to pay for something I know darned well will almost never ever be sold before it is smashed to pieces . Scrapyards, or wreckers as you call them, have very high taxes and levies to pay here in Spain. They have to ensure that EVERY vehicle has ALL its fluids drained before they are put up for sale as parts cars. They have to pay a LOT of money for the disposal of those liquids legally and properly.My guy told me that, for every 'free car' he gets in, he has to pay Local Government charges, and labour hours for the 'cleaning up' operations, which total around 250 euros per car. Currently there are 150-odd cars in his yard..multiply that by 250 euros each BEFORE he can actually start to sell anything off them..37.500 euros....he has to make that back,before he starts making a profit on the vehicle. IMHO, honesty is the best policy for all.The wreckers in my area have a 'grapevine', and anybody who steals, or removes things without permission, will suddenly find themselves not being allowed in ANY wreckers yard in the area. Whether we consider it to be right or wrong to 'liberate' parts, just be sure that the price of it WILL be collected..just probably from somebody else who DOES pay for their parts already. Edit to add a perspective from an 'Oldtimer's' life experience
I never met anybody who started smoking 60 cigarettes from day 1 I never met an alcoholic who started drinking 4 bottles of vodka a day from day 1 I never met a junkie who started out on crack cocaine from day 1 I never met anybody who started a life of violence passed their teen years. I never met anybody who exceeded the speed limit by 50 mph from day 1 And there are adages which have lasted hundreds of years for good reason. One being 'great Oaks from little acorns grow'
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My vote: It's stealing. "Those whom are faithful in little things are faithful in much. Those who are unfaithful in little are unfaithful in things that are much"- but whose going to call you on it? God, your conscience, or peers? Depends if your actions are being pricked by your consciences.
However, consider how the junkyards California solve this dilemma;
Don’t forget, most junkyards (here in CA) make-up for possible “sticking fingers” by charging a “door fee” upon entrance @ $2-3 a head. You are charged this fee regardless of you buy anything or just browsing their lot. I’ve seen the list and it can up-to 100 people whom have signed the list. Tell me; is it fare that everyone is charged a flat rate? When was the last time you’ve walked into a store and was charged a flat fee upon entering? Those who leave with nothing may feel they’re “entitled” for a souvenir.
Therefore, due to my political career, I plead the 5th.
Edit: I forgot to mention that a junkyard in Clearwater, FL crushed a near perfect yellow 88 fastback. I'm sure the plastic roof and panel where not needed for scrap metal and I'm sure a Fiero person would have gone over and taken off the parts before they crushed the car!
You know what the sad thing is... when I want to take stuff out of salvage yards, I honestly usually just ask for it. I've gotten such big stuff for free by just asking for it it's silly. Like three turbos, complete bodywork from a C5 vette, complete front suspension for my DSM. it's hilarious. It's pretty surprising what you can get for free just by asking for it. Chat it up a bit, and it can get you places. LOL!
I've been lucky with the yards. I declare parts in my pockets and they just let me have them anyway. Hell, I got a normally $200+ ign module for the 88 Duke for free even though I told them I had it in my pocket cuz my hands were full. They always cut me deals, though I usually part with over $100 when I would go at any given time.
My junkyard basically charges a monthly fee... i buy a few motors from them at a fairly inflated price, and I get free reign on little stuff in the yard.
I don't care what other people think... You need to get laid.
Well arent you just the mature little individual!
I do know one thing for certain... Your a major hypocrite! You come into this thread and get all over my A$$ for starting a thread to bash someone, yet you went and did the exact same thing... http://realfierotech.com/ph...iewtopic.php?t=15601
I received a phone call today to tell me to take a loot at RFT. What do I find? A thread you started about me using my name and a link to this thread! The real difference here is... I used a quote button to quote someones "OWN" post, that they made "here", in public for all to see! You on the other hand, being the cowardly little pansey, started a thread about "me"(on another forum), "speculating" that my thread "here", stems from my past experience with a vendor. That vendor is being delt with accordingly and 'legally". Just like you told me...
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Originally posted by Emc209i: involved in a situation you shouldn't have any bearing in
Using someone as an example is a quick way to make an enemy.
Practice what you preach!
You are defending a thief's actions and that makes you, morally, no better than a thief yourself.
You are saying that because the parts are small, and minor, that it's OK to just take them. In essence you are saying that, taking a $0.50 candybar from a gas station is OK. The law seems to not think so. It doesn't matter if you take a candybar or a pair of jeans, you still get the same punishment, by law. Theft is wrong and illegal no matter what you steal.
As for why I don't call out speeders... Speeding will get you a ticket, theft will get you thrown in jail! There have been numerous threads here about people drag racing (on public streets) and lots of people, including myself, have chimed in and gave the person sh!t about it.
Grow up and quit being a trolling hypocrite!
Edit to add...If a person is stupid enough to post, in a open public forum, a statement or video of themselves commiting a crime, then they deserve the bashing they get!
Another edit to add...Supplied to me, by PM, from a fellow thief hater...
Notice I didn't give the persons name? Why not? Because they sent me "private" PM instead of posting it, themselves, for "everyone" to see!
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So two wrongs make a right then? Since he did something bad, you're totally justified in defaming his character? Even though nothing he did had anything to do with you? I'm sure you've never broken any laws, right? How bout we put you up on the block next and everyone can judge you? Get over yourself.
What I did, here, is not illegal! I didn't defame his character! HE DID IT HIMSELF! If you pull ur head out of your A$$, long enough to take a breath of fresh air, you would see that. I am on the chopping block and you are judging me!
The difference here is..you don't know for certain if, when, where or how, I have broken any laws. You know why that is? Cause "if" I were to do something illegal, I have more common sense than to type out or video tape, the crime, and then post it on a open public forum!
I am amazed at how thick headed some people can be! And to think...this is the future of our country. A bunch of thick heads and thieves.
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And for those of you you say that I stuck my nose where it doesn't concern me... THIEVES AFFECT MY LIFE AND FINANCES and "that' concernes me!
I bought 2 maf sensors from my local yard here for $3.....
they really REALLY dont care about little **** out here.... Walking out with some bulbs and trim peices is NOT theft from a junkyard, as its hard to steal something that is worth NOTHING. Junkyards get 90% of their money from just scrapping the cars and selling motors/transmissions, the extra bits of money they see out of selling parts is chump change, and really just considered a bonus at that point.
I know that all of the little **** I have actually paid for went straight into the pockets of the guys I gave the money too, as I dont ever get receipts... So now who is the one stealing?
What I did, here, is not illegal! I didn't defame his character! HE DID IT HIMSELF! If you pull ur head out of your A$$, long enough to take a breath of fresh air, you would see that. I am on the chopping block and you are judging me!
The difference here is..you don't know for certain if, when, where or how, I have broken any laws. You know why that is? Cause "if" I were to do something illegal, I have more common sense than to type out or video tape, the crime, and then post it on a open public forum!
I am amazed at how thick headed some people can be! And to think...this is the future of our country. A bunch of thick heads and thieves.
I never said you did anything illegal, I said you did something wrong. If he wants to admit to crimes, that's his business. I already agreed that it is stealing and I'm no longer talking about that. I'm talking about you going out of your way to start a new thread just to judge him, which is far above and beyond what's necessary. You're not the police here, it's not your job to hold hearings when someone breaks a rule. Stop acting innocent, you didn't simply post an innocuous hypothetical question to gauge public opinion, you deliberately quoted him word for word in a new thread for the sole purpose of attracting attention to something that has nothing to do with you. Again, I ask, what did you hope to accomplish? Given your responses so far, it would seem you wanted everyone to come look at your thread, read the quotes, judge them and then make a nice little post condemning thieves. Sound about right? Omitting his name means nothing, we all know who and what incident you're talking about. So again I ask you, do you feel better about yourself now? Are you happy that you stirred up a big old mess and taddled on somebody? Do you fell vindicated now that people have chimed in here to say that stealing is wrong, as if anyone didn't already know that? Do you think the person you quoted or anyone else is going to change their mind now that you've called someone up in front of the class and shamed them in front of everyone? Get over yourself, no ones happy or impressed that you got all high and mighty and called someone out for a good old public stoning.
I swapped out my wiper controls out of a car in a junk yard because it had perfect lettering. but i put my old one in thier. i dont think its stealing but jimmy might differ. Who cares if the guy took some parts. its not right.. yea but still who cares. it wasn't someones car. it was abandoned and abused and in a junk yard. he was "rescuing parts from ruin" thats how i look at it.
I hate to admit it... but when I would go to the junkyard when I was younger (like 10 years ago) and didn't have a lot of money... I would occasionally snag things and put them in my pocket. Honestly, I didn't take anything of any real substantial value... a couple of light-bulbs, maybe a small bracket, or a button or a relay or a switch...
I didn't see what the big deal was at the time... but I haven't done that in a LONG time... maybe even a full decade. I do consider it stealing, and now when I get stuff from the junkyard, I always disclose everything. What I've actually found is that almost 90% of the time... (or more) they usually give that small stuff to me for free anyway.
Somehow I missed this thread the first time around. Nor do I know any involved so I can ignore them.
Degrees of sin. It has already been referenced via lawbreaking speeders. Since this is titled "POLL:..." without an expiration date. I chime in with the who cares vote.
That is a luxury that being honest earns, and again, IMHO, makes up for me having to pay for something I know darned well will almost never ever be sold before it is smashed to pieces 
When was the last time you’ve walked into a store and was charged a flat fee upon entering? Those who leave with nothing may feel they’re “entitled” for a souvenir.
