FINALLY mount kits for 3800 S.C. and N/A 3800 conversions, also to be used for STOCK Fiero mounts are now in production.
These are using 1/4 inch thick steel, VERY heavy duty. The ones shown in the pics are a mock-up set. Your choice on color, custom color other than black or silver will delay shipment.
Pricing will be as follows: 3 piece set for STOCK Fiero's $200 shipped
4 piece set for 3800 conversions with a manual Fiero trans $250 shipped
6 piece set for 3800 conversions with an auto trans $350 shipped
get your orders in now.............first come first shipped..................
I was wondering about those there in relation to the poly mounts. I specifically didn't get / order / want to use the poly mounts, due to the overwhelming majority that said that there was a good ammount of "bucking" at low speeds when the 5 speed manual was used.
Do these mounts cause these issues as well or are they more "giving" than the poly, yet more ridged than the stock mounts?
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They bear a striking resemblance to West Coast Fiero's mounts.
Yes, but hopefully they fit better... just spent the whole day redoing my mounts I ordered from west coast fiero. They must have monkeys making their stuff because not a single hole was in the correct location and the rear tranny mount had to be completly reconstructed.
my recommendations will be to buy these mounts frompurple reign...
I was wondering about those there in relation to the poly mounts. I specifically didn't get / order / want to use the poly mounts, due to the overwhelming majority that said that there was a good ammount of "bucking" at low speeds when the 5 speed manual was used.
Do these mounts cause these issues as well or are they more "giving" than the poly, yet more ridged than the stock mounts?
I couldnt answer that with a definitive answer..............................but I will tell you my opinion, there isnt much give with these, they are very rigid.
I BOUGHT A SET OF WEST COAST MOUNTS, AND AFTER A LOT OF SWEAT MAKING THEM FIT...............THEY FAILED MISERABLY. THE FRONT MOUNT TO THE LOWER URETHANE MOUNT FOLDED OVER LIKE A PAPER CLIP AS SOON AS THE MOTOR WAS MOUNTED ?????!!!!!!!!!!! THE RIGHT SIDE REAR TRANS MOUNT, BENT AT THE ATTACHING FLANG TO THE ADJACENT URETHANE MOUNT TO THE FRAME ??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After 2 of 3 mount failures, I pulled them & redesigned them using thicker material, changing press brake points to weld points etc. etc. making them much stronger & more rigid.
So how do the engine mounts work? Are they brackets to attack to the stock Fiero mount, or a complete replacement of the Fiero mount? Is the 88 mount any different from earlier years? Is it a bolt-in deal, or do you have to drill new mounting locations on the cradle?
So how do the engine mounts work? Are they brackets to attack to the stock Fiero mount, or a complete replacement of the Fiero mount? Is the 88 mount any different from earlier years? Is it a bolt-in deal, or do you have to drill new mounting locations on the cradle?
Thanks! They look great! (And VERY strong!)
It's a bolt in deal, and a complete replacement for the Fiero mount using the stock holes. The only time you use a stock bracket is on the manual transmissions.
I couldnt answer that with a definitive answer..............................but I will tell you my opinion, there isnt much give with these, they are very rigid.
I BOUGHT A SET OF WEST COAST MOUNTS, AND AFTER A LOT OF SWEAT MAKING THEM FIT...............THEY FAILED MISERABLY. THE FRONT MOUNT TO THE LOWER URETHANE MOUNT FOLDED OVER LIKE A PAPER CLIP AS SOON AS THE MOTOR WAS MOUNTED ?????!!!!!!!!!!! THE RIGHT SIDE REAR TRANS MOUNT, BENT AT THE ATTACHING FLANG TO THE ADJACENT URETHANE MOUNT TO THE FRAME ??????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
After 2 of 3 mount failures, I pulled them & redesigned them using thicker material, changing press brake points to weld points etc. etc. making them much stronger & more rigid.
Would you possibly have pictures of these miserably failed WCF motor mounts? If not could you take pictures of them and post them?
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I thought for sure you would of documented those failures. I ran the WCF mounts for two years. There was never any fitment problems. They look as good as new when I removed them last year. Hard ot believe yours would of folded as soon as the engine was mounted. I would of loved to see a picture of that. I had to remove my WCF mounts to lower my engine for the intercooler. I am now running stock rubber motor mounts with even more horsepower with the intercooler. They are holding up perfectly for the past year. Knock on wood.
Yeh.................."Kev" was here when it happened, he's not real happy with his mount set either. The trans mount bent after time, but none the less it's not holding up.
I just like the feel of a solid mounted heavy breathing motor
How much for just the two transmission mounts for a STOCK 87GT 5 speed?
ive got poly mounts on EVERYTHING but the transmission, it already bucks like crazy at low speeds, but i do like the fact that when i give it gas, it jerks the hell outta ya, and it goes!
How much for just the two transmission mounts for a STOCK 87GT 5 speed?
ive got poly mounts on EVERYTHING but the transmission, it already bucks like crazy at low speeds, but i do like the fact that when i give it gas, it jerks the hell outta ya, and it goes!
It's a bolt in deal, and a complete replacement for the Fiero mount using the stock holes. The only time you use a stock bracket is on the manual transmissions.
Sweet! Now if someone will offer prefabbed wiring harnesses, that makes the 3800SC that much more desireable.
I thought for sure you would of documented those failures. I ran the WCF mounts for two years. There was never any fitment problems. They look as good as new when I removed them last year. Hard ot believe yours would of folded as soon as the engine was mounted. I would of loved to see a picture of that. I had to remove my WCF mounts to lower my engine for the intercooler. I am now running stock rubber motor mounts with even more horsepower with the intercooler. They are holding up perfectly for the past year. Knock on wood.
The very fact that you had to remove them to lower your engine back to the stock height illustrates these mounts flaws.... they are marketed as a direct replacement so they should be the same height as stock once installed, bar none... and a proper engineer would note that poly flexes less than rubber once loaded and take that into account in designing the mounts, but the height problem was the easiest to fix. I have pictures comming of all the flaws present in my WCF mounts... just have to wait to get this dang scanner working :S
I thought for sure you would of documented those failures. I ran the WCF mounts for two years. There was never any fitment problems. They look as good as new when I removed them last year. Hard ot believe yours would of folded as soon as the engine was mounted. I would of loved to see a picture of that. I had to remove my WCF mounts to lower my engine for the intercooler. I am now running stock rubber motor mounts with even more horsepower with the intercooler. They are holding up perfectly for the past year. Knock on wood.
You ran them but how hard did you run your car the two years they were on there? How many times have you taken your car to the track an put some hard laucnches on it? These are all factors that could have caused the engine mounts to fail for Purple, while your are still looking new. I would lean more toward them being poor quality considering all the other issues that ppl have had with there products and services. You cant really compare how well your WCF mounts held up to Purples WCF mounts for the simple fact that your car is not driven hard( this statement being based on that I have never seen you post a 1/4 mile time as long as I have been on the Forum) it would be like comparing apples to oranges. This is just how I viewed your responce to the douting of Purples post of the WCF mounts folding over.
You ran them but how hard did you run your car the two years they were on there? How many times have you taken your car to the track an put some hard laucnches on it? These are all factors that could have caused the engine mounts to fail for Purple, while your are still looking new. I would lean more toward them being poor quality considering all the other issues that ppl have had with there products and services. You cant really compare how well your WCF mounts held up to Purples WCF mounts for the simple fact that your car is not driven hard( this statement being based on that I have never seen you post a 1/4 mile time as long as I have been on the Forum) it would be like comparing apples to oranges. This is just how I viewed your responce to the douting of Purples post of the WCF mounts folding over.
Not trying to stir the stink but how Ski drove his has nothing to do with the problem Purple explained he said " folded over like a paper clip as soon as motor was mounted." Anyways I am needing mounts for the series 2 im working on and one of the things i was worried was the height issue I have heard about WCF's because at some point I would like to add the intercooler. Purple does yours also mount the engine too high for clearance of an Intercooler? or will it leave it in lower postion closer to where the factory mounts would be?
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Not trying to stir the stink but how Ski drove his has nothing to do with the problem Purple explained he said " folded over like a paper clip as soon as motor was mounted."
Thanks for exactly picking up on my point. MstangsBware was not so quick on that one. I will be the first to admit I do not abuse my car as hard as Purple. Course I have smoked off one set of tires in under 3000 miles and those that have ridden with me can attest I do not baby this car. WCF mounts are fine. They will hold up to anything you throw at them. Especially setting an engine down on them. Seems Purple is just trying to make the point his mounts are better. Maybe they are, maybe they are not. I sure would of loved to see pictures of the damage he described.
As far as the height of the WCF motor mounts. The front pulley mount is the same height as the stock 88 mount. The transmission mounts caused the trans end to raise about 1/2 inch. Almost nobody would ever notice that amount. However I was the first to put a 2 1/4 inch intercooler under a stock Fiero trunklid and every 1/4 inch was important. I also really disliked the bucking the poly mounts created. The car drives so much better in the stock rubber mounts. No I am not building a drag 1/4 mile Fiero which is the goal of some on the forum. I just want a fast powerful nice driving Fiero.
I would not have a problem buying mounts from Purple and I appreciate his venture in providing Fiero parts. Just wish he would do it without trashing other vendors.
Can't say much about the height issue, but I had to re-drill one of the mounts, and monkey around with them a LOT to get the engine to fit into them right.. WCF mounts that is.. They didn't fold over, but the quality was a bit lacking. The paint looked / smelled like Rustoleum black, and chipped easily. I also had to drill out 2 of the bushing sleeves to use bigger through-bolts, there was way too much slop with the too-small bolts, and bigger ones just barely didn't fit. The 3rd mount's sleeve was good though...??? Odd. After I had the cradle and the mounts coated with spray-on bedliner they look sort-of like stock mounts. Just with red Poly in them. Can't wait to test them on the track! Way to go Purple, those things look BEEFY.
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I thought for sure you would of documented those failures. I ran the WCF mounts for two years. There was never any fitment problems. They look as good as new when I removed them last year. Hard ot believe yours would of folded as soon as the engine was mounted. I would of loved to see a picture of that. I had to remove my WCF mounts to lower my engine for the intercooler. I am now running stock rubber motor mounts with even more horsepower with the intercooler. They are holding up perfectly for the past year. Knock on wood.
Hmm... Wonder if they have more than 1 guy doing the actual assembly / drilling...? Could explain it. It definitely wasn't something I did, the holes just *didn't* line up with the cradle holes. Unless my cradle is odd, but then I'd have an "odd" factory mount. I did get it in, and quicker than if I had to make my own mounts, so it's all good in the end, as long as they hold up. I'm not going nuts on the HP, so I think I'll be allright. But if someone's pushing 600HP, Purple's mounts should do nicely. Like Ski I don't plan on making it a "track queen" or whatever, just want a nice powerful daily driver, with some Mustang - eating ability at the track. Now back to our regularly scheduled post! How many more guys can we convince to go 3800?!?!
O.K. Ski........................I'm not trying to bash another vender, I'm just saying that myself and "Kev" got the same mounts at the same time and while he hasnt seen trouble yet, eveyone witnessed my front one bend as soon as it was mounted ??????
Just proving time and again the inferiority, inconsistency, and poor customer service from WCF. I also learned that you got your mounts back when ERIC was still with West Coast, in which he was the one building them and has since said himself "all that is left working there is a bunch of drunks that don't give a crap anymore"
HERE'S THE SKINNY : I installed these back when the car was built last year at this time. The front mount was repaired right after it folded over and them installed them. The car has only seen 1,900 miles of which I raced 2 Mustangs, 1 Viper, 1 Mazda, and NO TRACK TIME. It has yet to be taken to the the strip for a 1/4 mile run. I would say these mounts have seen 1/3 of the miles being driven hard. The other 2/3 came from driving to Omaha and to Michigan etc. You would think they would be able to stand up to a high horsepower motor for longer than 1,900 miles.
Just proving time and again the inferiority, inconsistency, and poor customer service from WCF. I also learned that you got your mounts back when ERIC was still with West Coast, in which he was the one building them and has since said himself "all that is left working there is a bunch of drunks that don't give a crap anymore"
Poor customer service is hard to argue with. lol Purple I have always been inpressed with your work. I wish we would of had time during the 20th to talk more. You were very busy. You and FieroX have been pushing the 3800 futher than anyone else. Just keep up the interesting work of pushing the envelope on the 3800 and remember that running a parts business is about doing things better than the competition in all aspects. Good luck.
Sure but I already fixed them by straightening them & adding a 3/8 plate so I can use them. They dont look that great, but they work
I was talking to a guy here in Toronto last summer. He said he had the same problem with the WCF mounts. He ended up taking the bent mount to a machine shop and had them reproduce it for him in thicker steel. I never had a chance to go into much detail with him but he did say he took a bunch of pictures. If I run into him this summer I will ask him to share the pics.
Hey Purple are you going to make a wiring harness for the 3800sc, to make it easier for us non mechs?
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I have yet to have any issues with my mounts, yet I have a voice in the back of my head saying to get an "extra" set.
I know that Ski does not race his and some of us do every now and then. It seems like it may have been "who" and "when" the mounts were made by WCF. As far as getting another set from WCF.....hard to say at this point, I still have not had any problems with any of the products I have received from WCF.
And what are the two brackets in back? are they for an auto? solid mounts huh? seems like a new dental bridge will be in the works soon
