My understanding is that much of this area suffers from flash flooding frequently. How often that is true is unknown to me. I have ridden the Three Sisters roads, curvy, twisty and hilly roads that are in this area. A real tragedy, my sincerest condolences to those who lost family and friends in this.
I started to post about this, but have been otherwise occupied. One of the reports I heard is that the water rose 26 feet, in the space of 45 minutes. I think that one of our members - Cliff or Maryjane - lives (or used to live) very close to the area. Prayers for all who are affected.
[This message has been edited by Raydar (edited 07-07-2025).]
The death toll in the Texas floods rose to 81 across six counties today, with Camp Mystic saying it was grieving the loss of 27 campers and counselors. Slow-moving thunderstorms will bring rain and the risk of more flooding today to already saturated parts of central Texas, the National Weather Service said. The catastrophic flooding struck Friday with a surge of 20 to 26 feet on the Guadalupe River near Kerrville.
This is a terrible tragedy. My heart goes out to everyone involved. I have been watching this the last three days. Cliff lives in Bandera I believe. That is near Kerrville, one of the hard hit areas. I'm not sure about Maryjane, but I don't think he is in the hill country.
I just checked in here to see if there was any news about them. I hope they are OK.
Yes, it is very rugged terrain, along what is usually a little placid river. It's down in CliffW's area tho, not so much mine. I believe he still owns some property in Kerr County/Kerrville but now lives in San Antonio.
I'll give him a call in a bit.
(EDIT I've talked to CliffW and he's fine, higher elevation in San Antonio. He'll post in a bit)
The river in question, the Guadalupe, is relatively small 99% of the time, and where the disaster happened, 2 drainage systems (North and South Guadalupe Rivers) converged just north of the 80 year old Mystic Camp. This was a lot like the mountain floods in the Carolinas and Tenn last year..........There was just no where for the water to go but up. The Guadalupe is not that big...it's head waters are in the same county the flood took place. I've seen my share of flood water but it always spread out over days, not confined to rise up over a couple dozen feet in a matter of a few hours. Flash floods in this area are nothing new.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...(Texas)#Flash_floods The amount of rain Central Texas has received in the last few days is unbelievable for July, usually a drought month. The system is powered by a low left over from a Western Mexico tropical storm and it's just been stuck in a somewhat circulatory path over south central Texas for days, with the cells moving NE. I get the tail end of it here but I live on a hill, not down in a valley. We got well over 7 inches just this morning early with only moderate roadway closures. The city I once lived in (San Angelo) along the confluence of the 3 (North, Middle, and South) Concho Rivers has seen some serious flooding as well but little or no human loss of life. They got 14"of rain on July 4th alone. This is localized street flooding in San Angelo tho, as all 3 of those Concho rivers have a large dam with an almost empty lake behind each one. San Angelo was all but wiped out in 1936, which was before Lake Nasworthy, Twin Buttes Reservoir or OC Fisher reservoir dams were built.
The Middle Concho IN San Angelo rose from 2' to 18' in a matter of hours 3 days ago.
[This message has been edited by maryjane (edited 07-07-2025).]
My understanding (from news reports) is that a flash flood siren system/program (similar to tornado sirens) was proposed and considered for a few of the counties currently being affected but, was dropped for some reason. The fact that there are these "camps" located in low lying areas near this river and the frequent flash floods makes that decision look pretty stupid and lays guilt on those who made the decision.
Rams
[This message has been edited by blackrams (edited 07-07-2025).]
My understanding (from news reports) is that a flash flood siren system/program (similar to tornado sirens) was proposed and considered for a few of the counties currently being affected but, was dropped for some reason. The fact that there are these "camps" located in low lying areas near this river and the frequent flash floods makes that decision look pretty stupid and lays guilt on those who made the decision.
Rams
I wonder if the camp being near a river had boats. Even if a row boat, get in and bucket out the rain water, to stay above the flood waters.
I wonder if the camp being near a river had boats. Even if a row boat, get in and bucket out the rain water, to stay above the flood waters.
Ah man... it kills me. Old people and adults die all the time, and while of course it's sad... nothing hits like a bunch of children dying ... the most undeserving of tragedy of anyone. They said the people closest to the water were the younger kids. I'm sure some are probably blaming the camp, but I assume best intentions here. Kids love going to camp, it's always something I loved when I was a kid too. It's just so sad. They said the water rose so quickly that people didn't even realize it until it was too late... it rose and came fast and furious sweeping away the littlest kids before they even knew what happened or could do anything about it. I think what I hate the most isn't the suffering the parents are going through, but possibly knowing the kids were terrified up until their last moments before they succumbed.
quote
Originally posted by maryjane:
Do you live near Tampa? If so, you have a Whataburger coming late this year.........
We've started seeing them nearby. There's one near Lakeland, and we saw one somewhere up near Lutz. First time I saw one here, I stopped and ordered something. It's a much smaller menu... they only have 1/3rd of the things that the ones in Texas do, but it's a start... and I'm pretty stoked. Since I moved here, we've already got several Canes that have popped up (two in Sarasota somewhat near us), and also an HTeo. Which is funny because when we came in on opening day, they started to give us the spiel about the rewards program and I'm like... "I'm ready to give you my phone number, we're already enrolled..." and they were like... "How is that possible?" haha...
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: We've started seeing them nearby. There's one near Lakeland, and we saw one somewhere up near Lutz. First time I saw one here, I stopped and ordered something. It's a much smaller menu... they only have 1/3rd of the things that the ones in Texas do, but it's a start... and I'm pretty stoked. Since I moved here, we've already got several Canes that have popped up (two in Sarasota somewhat near us), and also an HTeo. Which is funny because when we came in on opening day, they started to give us the spiel about the rewards program and I'm like... "I'm ready to give you my phone number, we're already enrolled..." and they were like... "How is that possible?" haha...
Yes, it is very sad when children die as they haven even started to live. No rashional person will blame the camp. A law firm will . Here's hoping there are puppies waiting in heaven for the children to play with.
Originally posted by 1987RedFiero: I wonder if the camp being near a river had boats. Even if a row boat, get in and bucket out the rain water, to stay above the flood waters.
quote
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I'm sure some are probably blaming the camp, but I assume best intentions here.
I blame the camp it flooded a few years back and multiple times before. If their application did not warn about flooding, I can see every parent suing the camp.
I also blame the weather alerts. We get inundated with weather alerts all the time which have nothing to do with our location. They could also color code for "warning" "watch" "alert" and what ever else.
Interesting facts.
The amount of water of the flood exceeds the amount of water which goes over Niagra Falls in a day.
At the peak of the emergency, we were assisted by 14 Coast Guard water rescues craft.
The flood is said to be in the top ten, in deaths, in the history of the United States. We still have 161 missing. A few democrats publicly blame Texas because we voted for Trump.
Democrats also blame trump because of the DOGE reports cut staffing. The department of National Weather says that all stations were fully staffed.
Bertram Tx, (between here and Austin) got 21" of rain over the 4th of July weekend. Impressive for a town that only gets 30.2" the entire average year.
Impressive rainfall totals across Texas from this weekend: • Bertram: 21" • Liberty Hill: 20.50" • Streeter: 20" • Marble Falls: 18.5" • Hext: 18.4" • Lago Vista: 18" • San Angelo: 13.5" • Ingram: 12"
I blame the camp it flooded a few years back and multiple times before. If their application did not warn about flooding, I can see every parent suing the camp.
I also blame the weather alerts. We get inundated with weather alerts all the time which have nothing to do with our location. They could also color code for "warning" "watch" "alert" and what ever else.
Interesting facts.
The amount of water of the flood exceeds the amount of water which goes over Niagra Falls in a day.
At the peak of the emergency, we were assisted by 14 Coast Guard water rescues craft.
The flood is said to be in the top ten, in deaths, in the history of the United States. We still have 161 missing. A few democrats publicly blame Texas because we voted for Trump.
Democrats also blame trump because of the DOGE reports cut staffing. The department of National Weather says that all stations were fully staffed.
You had to know, the finger ponting for political gain would trump(pun intended) any real news. I'm sure fema will be right there to help those in a red state. sarcasm, you know. Here's to praying they find most of the missing alive. Duck the talking heads that point blame from the sidelines.
