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Today Is Texas Independence Day by cliffw
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March 2nd, 1836
The declaration of Texas independence text :

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Over the course of drafting the Declaration, several days, the committee members were updated on the fate of the Battle of the Alamo. Which had been going on since February 24, 1836.
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It would be 2 months before that independence would be secured (April 21 1836) and in that time period, the defenders of the Alamo would almost all be killed, with the few survivors shot down and bodies desecrated and those 350+ that sought to go to their aid from Goliad would be murdered on the morning of Palm Sunday Mar 27 at Presidio La Bahia in Goliad upon direct orders from Santa Anna, the Butcher of the West. Another 200 were killed at Refugio and San Patricia under similar orders from Santa Anna.

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Originally posted by maryjane:
It would be 2 months before that independence would be secured (April 21 1836) and in that time period, the defenders of the Alamo would almost all be killed, with the few survivors shot down and bodies desecrated and those 350+ that sought to go to their aid from Goliad would be murdered on the morning of Palm Sunday Mar 27 at Presidio La Bahia in Goliad upon direct orders from Santa Anna, the Butcher of the West. Another 200 were killed at Refugio and San Patricia under similar orders from Santa Anna.


The 350+ who were also put to death from Goliad did not actually go the San Antonio to aid the Alamo defenders. They defended against Santa Anna in solidarity for the cause of freedom. The battle cry at San Jacinto was "Remember the Alamo, remember Goliad.

However, the Immortal 32, from Gonzales, did enter Alamo grounds to help it's defenders. They also were put to death.

They are "immortalized" as the only unit to answer the letter from Col Travis.

"To the People of Texas & All Americans in the World letter from Col Travis asking for help"

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Originally posted by cliffw:

"To the People of Texas & All Americans in the World letter from Col Travis asking for help"

P. S. The Lord is on our side.



Apparently the Big Guy doesn't pick sides.

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He did, just took his time at it..

"Let the old men tell the story, let the legend grow and grow
Of the thirteen days of glory at the siege of Alamo
Lift the tattered banners proudly while the eyes of Texas shine
Let the fort that was a mission be an everlasting shrine
Once they fought to give us freedom that is all we need to know
Of the thirteen days of glory at the siege of Alamo...
Now, the bugles are silent
and there's rust on each sword
And the small band of soldiers.......... lie asleep in the arms of the Lord
Lie asleep in the arms of the Lord.
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Today ,1936, the Alamo fell to Santa Anna's army. Many of General Sam Houston were pissed that he did not commit his forces to go to the Alamo and help defend it.

Sam Houston was a wise man. The thirteen days of the battle of the Alamo greatly help Sam Houston's ability to increase his troops numbers.

Many of General Sam Houston were pissed that he did not commit his forces to engage Santa Anna after the fall of the Alamo.

Sam Houston was a wise man. He was luring Santa Anna's army away from Mexico, and his resupply lines.

Interestingly, I have a very slight connection to the Alamo. I have been needing a new overhead garage door. Watching and waiting for the best deal. Finally I found one a quality door which had a good price, good installation price, which included a brand new opener which was of the latest technology. I can open or close it from anywhere with my cell phone. My cell phone also gets alerts when ever it opens. (Check out the Chamberlain brand.)

The seller was also the installer with his son helping. Customers need experienced installation. The owner had a company T shirt but his son had a company T shirt with a different company ad on the back. Which said "Conquistador Doors since 1738".

I asked about it and informed me of his family's history. Which included that a great great great great great family member which helped build many of the San Antonio missions, including the doors on the Alamo.

Look at this if you would like to know interesting facts about Texas many do not know. This YouTube video hosted by KSAT News, a long time respected ABC local news company.
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Today ,1936, the Alamo fell to Santa Anna's army.


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Well, close. 100 years here or there probably don't make much difference in the bigger scheme of things.

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Well, close. 100 years here or there probably don't make much difference in the bigger scheme of things.


Everything is bigger in Texas ?

Edit to my last post.

My above video is rather long. The section which describes my garage door installer is between the 11:00 and 19:00 time mark. The actual guy who did install my garage door (Edward) is narrating a section of it.
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Today is an anniversary of the Goliad Massacre.

The Goliad massacre was an event of the Texas Revolution that occurred on March 27, 1836, following the Battle of Refugio and the Battle of Coleto; 425–445 prisoners of war from the Texian Army of the Republic of Texas were executed by the Mexican Army in the town of Goliad, Texas.
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Fannin State Park and Goliad's Presidio La Bahia are my 2 favorite places to seek solitude. Fannin battleground is just isolated enough, and left mostly undisturbed enough that you can get a sense of what happened there. (I'm disappointed tho, that the cemented over the big concrete goldfish pond sometime between 1982 and 2005)
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big concrete goldfish pond

I imagine concrete goldfish just sink to the bottom pretty quick, anyways.

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Today, in 1836, the Texians (correct spelling) attacked Santa Anna, the Napoleon of the west, at San Jacinto.

Houston after luring Santa Anna so far from Mexico and his resupply source, troop replentishment source, after keeping his troops from revolting due to their lust for vengeance for the Alamo and Goliad, he unleashed that vengeance.

The Mexican army had became complacent about the threat which they created. They encamped with their backs to the San Jacinto river, thus eliminating an escape route they ended up needing. They had been partying hard the night before.

Houston ordered the attack in the early sun light hours, charging in from the East. Surprising the Mexicans while many were still asleep. The attack roused them awake and they had to defend them selves looking into the early morning Sun, blinding them.

The Texians charged in, pissed off yelling "Remember the Alamo, remember Goliad". The battle was over in just 18 minutes. Santa Anna ran off in fear of his life, as did many of the Mexican army. Santa Anna ordered a Private to change uniforms to disguise his identity after all being cornered. It did not work. The Texians noticed most in his army saluted him.

When brought before the wounded General Houston, Houston again had to quell his troops from executing him, Santa Anna had done to the Alamo and Goliad defenders. Houston made a deal with the devil and allowed him to live if he signed over the whole territory of Texas north of the Rio Grand river and reaching into modern day Colorado.

Don't mess with Texas.
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The Mexican army had became complacent about the threat which they created. They encamped with their backs to the San Jacinto river, thus eliminating an escape route they ended up needing. They had been partying hard the night before.

Houston ordered the attack in the early sun light hours, charging in from the East. Surprising the Mexicans while many were still asleep. The attack roused them awake and they had to defend them selves looking into the early morning Sun, blinding them


Almost none of that is true. As I have said in the past, I grew up about 5 miles from that battleground, have spent hundreds of hours walking it, and studying it.

We tend to look at that battleground thru 20th century eyes, but where the San Jacinto River is today (as part of the Houston Ship channel) it didn't exist as such in 1836. The River actually ended at the confluence of itself and Buffalo Bayou tho part of the river does turn SE and down to San Jacinto Bay. (also now part of Houston Ship channel)

The Mexican force had it's backs to a very wide marsh that bordered what is now Burnet Bay. The San Jacinto River left leg,(as viewed from the North) was farther across a wide marsh would have been on the Mexican army's right flank during the battle but on their left during encampment.

The Texan force had their backs to Buffalo Bayou. Buffalo Bayou today, is the wide deep body of water that runs in front of where the Battleship Texas was moored. But, Houston's army, if need be, could have fallen back along their own right flank

The 18 minute battle took place in the afternoon, around 4:30pm, not in the early morning. There were really very few Mexicans killed at the battlefield location we all know today and in that little time span, but the carnage, continued throughout the late afternoon and into the night as Texians (against Houston's wishes) pursued the melee of retreating (mostly unarmed) Mexicans as far down as Peggy Lake. It is here at Peggy Lake that the great killing took place into the night of the 21st and continued in the morning of the 22nd April.
“Gentlemen, I applaud your bravery, but damn your manners. Gen Sam Houston.

And, there was no 'partying hard the night before'. Santa Anna and his force of 700 men arrived at Lynchburg the same day (April 20) with Houston's army arriving in the early morning and Santa Anna later in the morning and into the afternoon . At this point, Houston outnumbered Santa Anna 950 to 700. Santa Anna had forced marched his troops thru swolen rivers, creeks and knee deep mud roads to try to catch Houston but fearing Houston would attack while Houston had the numerical advantage, he immediately ordered his troops to work building defenses out of whatever they could find. The attack did not take place and Gen Cos arrived very late the night of the 20th thru early morning of the 21st but his men too were put to work on defensive positions. Santa Ana now had the numerical advantage as well as more artillery. (Houston had only the twin sisters. By Early afternoon, with a numerical advantage, Santa Ana allowed his and Cos' men to get some sleep, figuring Houston would not attack as he knew Houston was aware that Cos had arrived. Known both to Houston and Santa Ana was, that there were another 800 to 1000 Mexican troops under Mexican Gen Filisola 32 miles away (as the crow flies) at Thompson's Ferry Brazos river crossing.

The entire battle grounds and surrounding area around it was owned by a rancher named Margaret (Peggy) McCormick. 2 days after the battle she found her property strewn with the bodies of 100s of dead stinkiin Mexican soldiers and made her way to Houston's camp to get him to have his men bury the carcasses. He refused and Santa Ana refused to order his imprisoned men to do it. She and 1 or 2 of her slaves or employees buried quite a few several years later after there was nothing left but skulls and skeletons but to this day, no one knows what happened to the nearly 700 dead Mexican's bodies regarding the location..

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Thank you Don.
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Thank you Don.

It will be really strange for me to go to cross on that ferry and not see those tripod mast from the Texas that have been visible at the end of the Lynchburg ferry road my whole life...

To illustrate what San Jacinto looked like then as compared to now, this was Lynch's ferry not too many years after the battle. The river was not the wide deep waterway it is today.


About the same location, a newer ferry , a few years after the previous ferry and, looking across the on the ferry river now:

Buffalo Bayou back then, was even smaller, way before it was widened and dredged for ocean going ships to go up and down for the Houston ship channel..

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