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Anyone know what this might be? by blackrams
Started on: 01-12-2022 11:58 AM
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This was recently gifted to me. It's pretty old and there's no way I'd use or depend on it much less load it.
Here's a couple of pictures. There is no serial number or stamping/engraving to help id it. Now you know what I currently know.



As is shown, it has a folding trigger. Took it to my local gun store, they couldn't id it. I thought it might take a 45 long rifle shell but, no joy on that.
The cylinder is 2 inches in length, the barrel is shorter. This thing would probably kick like a mule.
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That good sir... is called a gun.

You're welcome. Glad I could assist!
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]:

That good sir... is called a gun.

You're welcome. Glad I could assist!


Actually, in this case, it's just something to throw at an intruder. But, thank you from the bottom of my heart.

As they say in the south, Bless your Pea Picking heart.

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given no stampings and short barrel.....could it be some type of vintage starting revolver/pistol?
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Originally posted by Hank is Here:

given no stampings and short barrel.....could it be some type of vintage starting revolver/pistol?


I suppose anything is possible although, I've never seen a starter pistol like this.

Another gun store said it was pre 1910, I have no idea how they came up with that.

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I believe, either a German Scheintod tear gas gun or a knockoff of one.
12mm round.
The only markings would be on the rear of the cylinder face or under the grips.
Early 1900s thru WW1..

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Originally posted by maryjane:

I believe, either a German Scheintod tear gas gun or a knockoff of one.
12mm round.
The only markings would be on the rear of the cylinder face or under the grips.
Early 1900s.



Well, I've been advised it's pre 1910 and maybe Belgium by origin so, you may be correct. I'll keep you posted on anything I learn.
For me, this is a conversation piece/paper weight. There's no way I'd ever try test firing it.

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By Golly, I believe you've solved the mystery.



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Firing that thing would probably make you cry !!
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Originally posted by blackrams:

By Golly, I believe you've solved the mystery.



Rams



Seriously, that's almost identical. Either MJ knows his guns, or he wrote up in Jupyter Notebooks some Artificial Intelligence CLIP algorithms to identify matching images!
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Actually, a cowman way down in South Texas was familiar with that type firearm and he answered my query on a cattle board and sent me a link.

Evidently they were known as bicycle guns, fired a variety of charges (tear gas, red pepper, black pepper, salt etc) and were pretty common in Europe and Great Britain in the late 1800s early 1900s as a defense against dogs that like to chase bicyclists.
(When I was a kid, a squirt gun filled with soapy water or a stronger household cleaner worked pretty good)
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Originally posted by maryjane:

Actually, a cowman way down in South Texas was familiar with that type firearm and he answered my query on a cattle board and sent me a link.

Evidently they were known as bicycle guns, fired a variety of charges (tear gas, red pepper, black pepper, salt etc) and were pretty common in Europe and Great Britain in the late 1800s early 1900s as a defense against dogs that like to chase bicyclists.
(When I was a kid, a squirt gun filled with soapy water or a stronger household cleaner worked pretty good)


Interesting, one of the people I spoke with thought it might be a pepper gun. I wasn't sure what he meant. Thanks.

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Old, thats what it is.

Very cool I would have welcomed this in the revolver thread.

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Originally posted by 2.5:

Old, thats what it is.

Very cool I would have welcomed this in the revolver thread.



Gosh, sorry. Didn't even think about that thread.

My investigation did result in some interesting responses. Got a bunch of wrong answers but I'm sure maryjane got it right. The funny thing about this is, I got a couple offers from people I asked to buy it. If it wasn't a gift, I would seriously consider it. I really don't have much use for a bicycle gun. There isn't a dog alive that can stay with my Valkyrie.

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Originally posted by blackrams:


Gosh, sorry. Didn't even think about that thread.

My investigation did result in some interesting responses. Got a bunch of wrong answers but I'm sure maryjane got it right. The funny thing about this is, I got a couple offers from people I asked to buy it. If it wasn't a gift, I would seriously consider it. I really don't have much use for a bicycle gun. There isn't a dog alive that can stay with my Valkyrie.

Rams

How dare you deprive 2.5 of a post in his thread. ought to be ashamed of yourself.
You probably done gone and hurt his feelings.


That Valkyrie will do ok till ya come to a stop sign. Dogs can't read.
They don't have to attack to cause problems tho.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk...-reaction-crash.html

(Looks like the dog ended up on the far shoulder of the road, right where the 18 wheeler went. SMUUSH!)

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Late to the party, but I contacted a liberal journalist and he said........ Assault weapon.
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Originally posted by blackrams:

My investigation did result in some interesting responses. Got a bunch of wrong answers but I'm sure maryjane got it right. The funny thing about this is, I got a couple offers from people I asked to buy it. If it wasn't a gift, I would seriously consider it. I really don't have much use for a bicycle gun. There isn't a dog alive that can stay with my Valkyrie.

Rams


Hopefully you can find some 12mm ammo and test it out
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Originally posted by OldsFiero:

Late to the party, but I contacted a liberal journalist and he said........ Assault weapon.


... Double action, that does sound pretty scary, and it takes mm bullets like those ones cops use!
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Originally posted by OldsFiero:

Late to the party, but I contacted a liberal journalist and he said........ Assault weapon.

If you had said an Insult Weapon, I might have agreed.

 
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Originally posted by 2.5:

Hopefully you can find some 12mm ammo and test it out


Did a quick internet search just to see what I could find, 12mm gas cartridges are apparently hard to find.

 
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Originally posted by maryjane:

How dare you deprive 2.5 of a post in his thread. ought to be ashamed of yourself.
You probably done gone and hurt his feelings.


That Valkyrie will do ok till ya come to a stop sign. Dogs can't read.
They don't have to attack to cause problems tho.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk...-reaction-crash.html

(Looks like the dog ended up on the far shoulder of the road, right where the 18 wheeler went. SMUUSH!)


S Slow
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O Operational
P Pace


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May not be true 12mm either. My friend told me some of them were advertised 12mm but often were closer to10mm.
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Originally posted by maryjane:

May not be true 12mm either. My friend told me some of them were advertised 12mm but often were closer to10mm.

Oh, now that's comforting..............

Who was it that was interested in test firing this puppy?

Doesn't matter, this will remain a conversation piece. I'll attempt to clean it up some but, it'll never get loaded while I have it.

Ram

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