I always was intrigued by old cowboy movies, and some auto shows, in which the wheels seemed to be going to opposite direction that one knew they should be going.
The 2 horses I posted the picture of were the infamous horses with no name. (Here at PFF, maybe one or 2 at the most will know what that picture really is. I've only seen it once in my lifetime and it was a different species of mammal)
No, They are definitely modern day Thoroughbred horse bones and not fossilized but instead, are from a mummified set of twin foals of a horse in Georgia USA . Twinning in horses is pretty rare, about 1 in 10,000. Successful live birth even more rare.
In most cases, death of a young fetus in the uterus results in the developing but deceased fetus being aborted (expelled). You rarely find it with cattle or horses and the mother goes back to cycling and (in cattle) is bred again. With horses, since breeding is a bit different (few people keep a stallion with their mares year round) if the fetus is barely developed, a varmint will usually drag the aborted fetus off. But, sometimes (in both equine and bovine) the fetus is not expelled, especially if the fetus is near full term/fully developed. 1 of 2 things happens.
1.An infection occurs and the owner becomes aware of it because of a foul looking and smelling discharge and the rotten fetus has to be removed piece by piece. I have done this ONCE with a cow. It is a horrible experience. The odor is overpowering and ob saw wire is used internally to cut legs and head off. You are working by feel, thru the vaginal canal of a live un-sedated animal and there is not a lot of room to do anything.
2. The fetus is not expelled and the mother's reproduction system begins to absorb the fetal soft tissue and liquids and then begins to encase the hide, hair and bones in calcium based scar tissue. It's fetal mummification in uterus a process that takes weeks to complete and when done, will be a dark, leathery looking mass. The mother will not breed back but may carry the mummified fetus for years.
In the case of the horse bones, a new owner had the mare checked by a vet as was routine for any new animal and the mummified fetal remains were discovered. It was twins, as you can see by the number of leg bones and ribs, and it took a team of 3 vets most of the day working in shifts to get all the bones and mummified skin out. The heads had to be cut up tho most of the skulls were in pieces anyway, which is the reason for only a few recognizable jaw pieces but what is there, clearly shows how far along development was as you can see the teeth coming in. The mother survived, and is a fine looking animal. This happened within the last 24 months.
Tho very rare today because of modern medicine, the same thing can and has happened with humans, but usually only in under developed countries or because the mother was afraid of the medical procedure needed to remove the deceased fetus. The latter reason was the case fo this one, (from India) and the mummified remains were carried by the mother for 36 years.
Ef Mee ! I'm over here by the split rail fence hurling ! Gack ! I had no idea a veterinarian had to perform such operations. I briefly dated a jumping rider in the '70s, went riding on a huge blonde mare with a mind of it's own. The creature had no means of steering ! Happily, someone grabbed the reins. I had the distinct feeling that the horse was playing me. lol. A s I began my walk back up the pasture from the creek, a few hundred yards, she looked at me and cut a big fart, whinnied. lol.
Originally posted by cliffw: The horse was moon walking.
I always was intrigued by old cowboy movies, and some auto shows, in which the wheels seemed to be going to opposite direction that one knew they should be going.
Just stroboscoping. Wheel rotation and related "problems" is cause by shutter speeds and types.
And wheels can easily change directions or stand still as speeds change. Standard "Movie format" is 24fps so can strobe and stand still wheel matching that and 48 and other harmonics. But now you have "Rolling shutter" etc and have more weird "problems." Example: Many Prop Airplanes have bent props when running/flying and "taped" using most phones and many other digital cameras.
------------------ Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. (Jurassic Park)
Ef Mee ! I'm over here by the split rail fence hurling ! Gack ! I had no idea a veterinarian had to perform such operations. I briefly dated a jumping rider in the '70s, went riding on a huge blonde mare with a mind of it's own. The creature had no means of steering ! Happily, someone grabbed the reins. I had the distinct feeling that the horse was playing me. lol. A s I began my walk back up the pasture from the creek, a few hundred yards, she looked at me and cut a big fart, whinnied. lol.
Not just veterinarians. As a cattleman, I have pulled more than a few calves myself (living mostly) , but a couple dead ones as well and have palpated cows to see if they were bred or open. (open means not pregnant) Dehorned, castrated, branded, have used trocars, relieved bloat, tube fed, and just about anything else needed to raise cattle. As you can guess, I live in a very different world than most of the people here at PFF. The view out my back window:
Yes, pulling calves can be hard work. I never had much to do with horses though. I had no clue what your bones were.
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Marc
Was pretty sure the bones were from a four-legged animal but, the multiple examples and lack of comparative scale left me confused, never considered the twins option. I've pulled or helped pull calves, sheep and one horse colt. It ain't easy especially if the newborn is breached (hind end first), turning one around isn't the easiest thing in the world to do. Ended up calling the Vet out for that one.
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Not just veterinarians. As a cattleman, I have pulled more than a few calves myself (living mostly) , but a couple dead ones as well and have palpated cows to see if they were bred or open. (open means not pregnant) Dehorned, castrated, branded, have used trocars, relieved bloat, tube fed, and just about anything else needed to raise cattle. As you can guess, I live in a very different world than most of the people here at PFF. The view out my back window:
Aren't you moving? I didn't do a search, but I thought I recalled an "all packed" thread?
