By now we have all heard of Mr. Baldwin and his shooting of two of his coworkers. I would like to know if anyone will be charged? I know it was not on purpose, BUT in some circumstances that does not matter. There are some many gun laws policies and procedures to prevent this exact situation.
Several people should be charged. But end of the day its a fact, he pointed a gun at two people and shot them. Doesn't matter how many people handled the gun before he pulled the trigger he is still responsible. It will be up to 12 members of a jury to decide how responsible he is if we are to see justice.
I do not know all of the details yet, but gross negligence come to mind. The gun clearly is capable of shooting projectiles, so I have to ask if it is a "real" gun that they call "prop gun"? If it is a real gun, somebody must certainly be charged of at the least manslaughter. If it is some type of "toy, movie prop" it should have still been handled better.
It is monumentally ironic that one of the most vocal celebrity anti-gun nuts has now shot and wounded and killed more people than 99.99% of all law abiding gun owners have...or likely ever will.
The "news" that is dribbling out about this is also looking more and more like they are trying desperately to NOT put the blame on the man who had the gun in his possession and who pulled the trigger but on the 23 year old young woman who was in charge of the prop guns being used while making the movie.
It is monumentally ironic that one of the most vocal celebrity anti-gun nuts has now shot and wounded and killed more people than 99.99% of all law abiding gun owners have...or likely ever will.
The "news" that is dribbling out about this is also looking more and more like they are trying desperately to NOT put the blame on the man who had the gun in his possession and who pulled the trigger but on the 23 year old young woman who was in charge of the prop guns being used while making the movie.
I understand the responsibility of the "armorer" but if this actually is a real gun, he shares responsibility. If it is a "fake" gun then I would agree he isn't as responsible.
Latest new reports are it is a real gun and had been used by the staff/crew for target practice between filming scenes for the movie. It's also reported that a 'prop' gun cannot be loaded with live fire ammo. If someone handed the real loaded weapon to Baldwin (a known gun hater) that person should be held responsible however, it appears that many safety protocals were ignored most of all the pointing of a weapon (even a prop gun) directly at someone holding a camers / boom mike etc. Tragic on many levels.
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Baldwin will skate, he is a darling of the left. Low man (or woman) on the totem pole will take the fall and there will be a flurry of law suits and quiet settlements. I can't imagine anyone will be charged criminally, unless there is something big that we aren't hearing.
At the end of the day, the only reason why we care, or anyone cares... is because Alec Baldwin did it. Lots of people kill each other in Chicago every night, and no one bats an eye.
I doubt seriously that Alec Baldwin gets charged for anything, even though the New Mexico law, which is very liberal, is very clear about responsibility. I forget the exact words, but actions resulting in death, even if involuntary or accidental. So... if this was anyone else... you or me, we'd be charged already.
The District Attorney will simply refuse to prosecute, and more than likely, they'll charge the armorer with a misdemeanor... and we'll completely forget about it in a couple of weeks.
I'm still waiting to hear what the "projectile" was since everyone assumes it was a bullet. If it was a standard blank with wadding, that wadding is fatal at close range.
I'm still waiting to hear what the "projectile" was since everyone assumes it was a bullet. If it was a standard blank with wadding, that wadding is fatal at close range.
While I suppose anything is possible, I'm not buying any story that says the projectile was a blank wadding or wax that penetrated and passed through a human body and into another causing them to be in critical condition.. That one is gonna have to be proven to me.
Reference the "shooter". Anyone can and frequently are charged with manslaughter when someone is killed even without premeditation, when it was by accident. The shooter (regardless of who it was) pointed a weapon in the direction of people and pulled the trigger resulting in someone's death. This kind of "accidental" death and injury happens all the time in different ways and people go to jail over it. Don't care who the shooter was, that person bears some responsibility.
Does anyone else find it even remotely hypocritical that an avid anti-gun advocate makes violent gun movies?
Rams
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While I suppose anything is possible, I'm not buying any story that says the projectile was a blank wadding or wax that penetrated and passed through a human body and into another causing them to be in critical condition.. That one is gonna have to be proven to me.
The only reason I say that is because anything is possible with these blanks. Here are some 44 blanks and you can see the crimp end. If the entire end fails and the crimp opens up into spikes and flies out of the gun, it would be like shrapnel.
Or one of the employees that walked off the set due to safety concerns decided to make a point by loading up a real round.
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At the end of the day, the only reason why we care, or anyone cares... is because Alec Baldwin did it. Lots of people kill each other in Chicago every night, and no one bats an eye.
I doubt seriously that Alec Baldwin gets charged for anything, even though the New Mexico law, which is very liberal, is very clear about responsibility. I forget the exact words, but actions resulting in death, even if involuntary or accidental. So... if this was anyone else... you or me, we'd be charged already.
The District Attorney will simply refuse to prosecute, and more than likely, they'll charge the armorer with a misdemeanor... and we'll completely forget about it in a couple of weeks.
Maybe we can look forward to a new gun regulation or more from this,... we can call them the Baldwin gun laws. Sarcastic, of course but it wouldn't surprise me if this make a new flury of gun hate.
The email from the armorer's union specifically stated it was a live round in a real gun. Not a "prop" gun at all.
⁵ If this is true (and it probably is true) they won't stop calling it a prop. I think they should just call it a gun. Calling it a prop is just causing confusion. But LEO have a distion between a "duty" weapon (belonging to the department) and "off duty" ( their own personal property) so I unders6tand a reason for it. But I also understand a more sinister reason to call it a prop gun, and that is to seem like it is merely a toy gun. A malfunctioning toy that killed a person sounds a lot better for everyone involved. Now IF it is a real gun, and people were shot, killed with it, what laws were violated, and will charges be filed? Yes it was an accident, but it was a 100% available accident just by following simple rules.
Maybe we can look forward to a new gun regulation or more from this,... we can call them the Baldwin gun laws. Sarcastic, of course but it wouldn't surprise me if this make a new flury of gun hate.
I'm sure some "new" gun laws and safety rules will be considered and maybe even passed. Won't do a damn bit of good if they are followed as the one's currently in place apparently are.
Alec is insane. It wouldn't surprise me if he did it in purpose. He's producing the movie and the dead woman was supposedly supporting the resistant workers that were off the set. IOWs, costing him money.
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It was a movie set. There should be audio and video of the entire event.
It's sad how things are handled anymore with this multi-tiered justice system we have. The law should be followed regardless of who the person breaking it is, but we all know that won't happen here.
The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has arrested Alec Baldwin and charged him with first-degree murder as well as possession of child pornography, and ordered a media blackout that has been approved by a judge. Outlets in the United States are temporarily banned from reporting on Baldwin’s arrest.
Baldwin is said to have killed the cinematographer and attempted to kill the director, Joel Souza in a dispute over payment. Baldwin tried to make it appear like it was an accident, but further investigation revealed it was anything but. When Baldwin was arrested at his hotel, he was founded with over 1,000 images of child pornography on his phone and laptop. He faces multiple felony charges. Baldwin’s lawyer did not immediately respond to requests for comment."
The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has arrested Alec Baldwin and charged him with first-degree murder as well as possession of child pornography, and ordered a media blackout that has been approved by a judge. Outlets in the United States are temporarily banned from reporting on Baldwin’s arrest.
Baldwin is said to have killed the cinematographer and attempted to kill the director, Joel Souza in a dispute over payment. Baldwin tried to make it appear like it was an accident, but further investigation revealed it was anything but. When Baldwin was arrested at his hotel, he was founded with over 1,000 images of child pornography on his phone and laptop. He faces multiple felony charges. Baldwin’s lawyer did not immediately respond to requests for comment."
The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has arrested Alec Baldwin and charged him with first-degree murder as well as possession of child pornography, and ordered a media blackout that has been approved by a judge. Outlets in the United States are temporarily banned from reporting on Baldwin’s arrest.
Baldwin is said to have killed the cinematographer and attempted to kill the director, Joel Souza in a dispute over payment. Baldwin tried to make it appear like it was an accident, but further investigation revealed it was anything but. When Baldwin was arrested at his hotel, he was founded with over 1,000 images of child pornography on his phone and laptop. He faces multiple felony charges. Baldwin’s lawyer did not immediately respond to requests for comment."
Well,...I hope this isn't true. My gut instinct says it isn't.
The Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office has arrested Alec Baldwin and charged him with first-degree murder as well as possession of child pornography, and ordered a media blackout that has been approved by a judge. Outlets in the United States are temporarily banned from reporting on Baldwin’s arrest.
Baldwin is said to have killed the cinematographer and attempted to kill the director, Joel Souza in a dispute over payment. Baldwin tried to make it appear like it was an accident, but further investigation revealed it was anything but. When Baldwin was arrested at his hotel, he was founded with over 1,000 images of child pornography on his phone and laptop. He faces multiple felony charges. Baldwin’s lawyer did not immediately respond to requests for comment."
Beavers are often lying or just wrong. But for just a moment, what if it is true?
Beavers are often lying or just wrong. But for just a moment, what if it is true?
No, it's fake. It's part of the Internet Research Agency propaganda mill. There are likely 4 or 5 other fake websites with the exact same title, all linking to each other.
No, it's fake. It's part of the Internet Research Agency propaganda mill. There are likely 4 or 5 other fake websites with the exact same title, all linking to each other.
Apparently, big movement now to ban real guns from movie production, because that's clearly the problem.
They should ban real guns in movies, stop calling them props they are not props. I am all for not letting them earn a ****ing dime using real guns in movies while pushing an agenda to take guns away from responsible people. Gun safety starts and ends with the person holding the gun, its not up to the gun.
They should ban real guns in movies, stop calling them props they are not props. I am all for not letting them earn a ****ing dime using real guns in movies while pushing an agenda to take guns away from responsible people. Gun safety starts and ends with the person holding the gun, its not up to the gun.
Like everything else, the operator is ultimately responsible and in this case, the operator was the person with his finger on the trigger.
#1 rule: ALWAYS assume every firearm is loaded. #2 rule Never point a firearm at someone you don't fully intend to kill.
I had a feeling that this incident would spark some new gun laws. I blame myself for assuming that "real" guns were already banned from movie sets. So practically every time I learn something about this incident, it is getting worse. If "real" guns are used on movie sets, why aren't real gun range rules used? I have never been on a range were the person holding the gun wasn't responsible for it's use. If a gun is on the range, the person holding the gun should know if it is loaded or not AND should inspect it THEN treat it as if it were loaded. Using a real gun to point at people and pull the trigger as if it was just a toy is asking for exactly what just happened.
Looks bad, Kinda like they won't cover for him? But they probably will.
To me, it reads like 'they' already are covering for him, (the writer of the article.) Focusing on who had access to the revolver, who the armorer was and who other than the shooter had access to live ammo. Everything I have read is portraying Baldwin as a victim of what someone else did (or didn't do)
I don't know but what kind of permissions do I need to go buy one of those prop guns? Seems like a lot less mess then trying to buy the real thing and end up in jail.
If it were the other way around, a member of the crew shooting Baldwin, they would be telling a very different story.
Do I remember a similar story maybe ten or twenty years ago? Was there an accidental shooting on a movie set, maybe a karate movie? Or am I confusing a different story?
Actor Brandon Lee died in March 1993 after he was shot in the abdomen while filming a scene for “The Crow.” Money and safety issues, including severe burns suffered by a construction worker, already had plagued the production. A makeshift bullet was mistakenly left in a gun from a previous scene and struck Lee during a scene that called for using blank rounds. OSHA fined the production $84,000 for violations found after Lee’s death, but the fine was later reduced to $55,000. After the fatal “Rust” shooting on Thursday, an account run by Lee’s sister Shannon tweeted: “No one should ever be killed by a gun on a film set. Period.”
