The name has some resonance with Ohio residents who regularly cross the Cuyahoga River on the Hope Memorial Bridge. A group of massive Art Deco sculptures on the span are known as the Guardians of Traffic and are said to be symbols of progress.
"Cleveland’s Baseball Team Will Become the 'Guardians'"
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The team will officially drop its controversial “Indians” nickname, which it used for more than 100 years.
Maybe "Guardians" somehow ties in well with the team that plays in the arena next door - the Cavaliers?
I'm going to suggest maybe their uniform needs an orange belt and sash like that of a school crossing guard. The 3rd base coach could even carry a little red stop sign...
The CLEVELAND INDIANS baseball team, a charter member of the American League, founded in 1901, was originally named the Blues, then the Broncos, and from 1903-11 was known as the Naps, in honor of player-manager NAPOLEON LAJOIE. From 1912-14 the team was officially named the Molly McGuires but popularly was still called the Naps. In 1915 Lajoie was traded and, based on sportswriters' suggestions, the team became permanently known as the Indians, a nickname used in the 1890s when the Amerindian LOUIS "CHIEF" SOCKALEXIS played for the old National League CLEVELAND SPIDERS.
Just over a year ago, "Spiders" was the oddsmakers' favorite, ahead of some 13 other suggestions. It was "Spiders", followed by "Naps" and then "Guardians".
Tom Hanks delivers an odic reveal of the Cleveland Guardians, who become the heirs to baseball's Cleveland Indians after the end of the 2021 season. MSNBC's Brian Williams sets it up and has the last word. YouTube video segment, 4+ minutes.
Why didn't they just change the name to the obvious? The Stone-agers. It would retain the original meaning, and all. Because they didn't even have horses, nor the wheel.
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The name “Guardians” . . . refers to the city’s famous Art Deco statues. The four pylons of Cleveland’s Hope Memorial Bridge . . . which connects downtown Cleveland with the . . . Ohio City neighborhood across the Cuyahoga River, each contain two unique sculptures, one facing each direction. These 43-foot-tall sandstone slabs are known as the “Guardians of Traffic.”
This brief report really nails it, with another top shelf (quality) photograph of the "Guardians of Traffic" Art Deco monument, just 0.3 miles from Progressive Field, where the Cleveland MLB franchise plays their home games.
"Chief Wahoo" can rest easy, knowing that the Indians legacy will be in capable hands when the venerable American League franchise convenes for their first 2022 regular season home game as the Cleveland Guardians.
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I use to watch baseball all the time. Growing up it was more important regionally than foot ball. There were a lot of local teams and support. Overt the years its gone to **** . Glad my grandfather is not here to see it, he was a huge baseball fan.
I really could care less, I would rather they spent time on figuring out how to stop imports from taking over the country.
On second thought, maybe it is about baseball. But it's reminiscent of previous forum messages about the Washington Redskins, before they were rebranded as the Washington Football Team. And another recent thread here, about objections on the part of (some) indigenous American to the Jeep "Cherokee" name.
I hadn't known about these "Guardians of Traffic" sculptures.
I like to imbue (or pretend that I am imbuing) this forum with a certain weekly or monthly magazine kind of aesthetic. The "New Yorker" magazine kind of thing. Not that I'm from New York. Nor do I even have an online subscription to the New Yorker magazine.
It's just for sh*ts, as a guy named Clyde once said to me.
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I like to imbue (or pretend that I am imbuing) this forum with a certain weekly or monthly magazine kind of aesthetic. The "New Yorker" magazine kind of thing. Not that I'm from New York. Nor do I even have an online subscription to the New Yorker magazine.
YOU ARE NOT A JOURNALIST
The "cut & paste" trash that you spew on this forum is NOT JOURNALISM
I wonder what part of "It's just for sh*ts" he doesn't "get"..? In what way do these four short words strung together in such a brief and colloquial sentence escape his reading comprehension? I wonder why he doesn't start more Topics himself, instead of always following me around here on the forum, nipping at my heels like an angst-ridden chihuahua or something.
Go to Cleveland and say that. My brother in-law has been a fan for all of his life and this is about baseball. He still flies the flag and gets a new one each year. For all of you PC ****ers that want this to be about something else, **** you that's why.
A "wee compendium" of Cleveland's Guardians of Traffic-related lore. Each of the four online articles includes one or more top shelf (quality) photographs.
The last of the four, from Neil Sternberg of the Chicago Sun-Times, is an OpEd-style opinion column and qualifies for the coveted and prestigious"Zesty" publishing certification.
Apparently, the KC Chiefs "Woke" up and are now following Cleveland's example. The Chiefs are putting War Paint out to pasture. While the Chiefs may think this will be enough, the Left will not be distracted. I just feel sorry for War Paint. He was too young to retire and will now be un-employed. I wonder if he'll be eligible for a check. I'm thinking some NFL team should change their name to the Conservatives, another could be the Progressives and see how that flies. The next Super Bowl could draw some very high ratings.
Rams
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Tom Hanks delivers an odic reveal of the Cleveland Guardians, who become the heirs to baseball's Cleveland Indians after the end of the 2021 season. MSNBC's Brian Williams sets it up and has the last word. YouTube video segment, 4+ minutes.
Isn't Brian Williams the guy who lied saying that he was taking rocket fire or machinegun fire while he was traveling from Bagram to Kabul in a helicopter? When no such thing actually happened?
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Isn't Brian Williams the guy who lied saying that he was taking rocket fire or machinegun fire while he was traveling from Bagram to Kabul in a helicopter? When no such thing actually happened?
Brian Williams is that guy.
That YouTube segment is mostly Tom Hanks, promoting the idea of the Cleveland "Guardians" as a worthy successor to the Cleveland Indians, in the lineage of franchise names.
Brian Williams just sets it up and makes a brief remark or two after the end of it. He doesn't have enough time in this segment to work in a lie, or at least, a lie of any consequence.
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Isn't Brian Williams the guy who lied saying that he was taking rocket fire or machinegun fire while he was traveling from Bagram to Kabul in a helicopter? When no such thing actually happened?
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Brian Williams is that guy. That YouTube segment is mostly Tom Hanks,
Isn't Tom Hanks the guy who was born in California and who lives in California and has never lived in Cleveland and is a college dropout and Hollyweird entertainer that pretends to be other people for a living?
So you're basically just posting the OPINIONS of a documented LIAR and a California college dropout / entertainer.
Isn't Tom Hanks the guy who was born in California and who lives in California and has never lived in Cleveland and is a college dropout and Hollyweird entertainer that pretends to be other people for a living?
So you're basically just posting the OPINIONS of a documented LIAR and a California college dropout / entertainer.
Do you wonder why you have NO CREDIBILITY HERE ?
I haven't cared enough to look up polling... but if they ACTUALLY had support from the majority of people in Cleveland, then I'd support it... since it's their team. But my gut feeling is that it's just a couple of white liberals from the East and West Coast that started this and pushed it... and then they found some small insignificant Indian tribe to support them. Has there been polling among native American tribes? Do they even care? What percentage of Clevelanders actually care?
I can KIND of understand the Washington Redskins... that would be like creating a team called the Hampton Crackers... but Cleveland Indians? Why is that so bad?
Does this mean Florida State University will be pressured (again) to change their name? Even though the Seminole Indian Tribe has repeatedly said they like having a school and team named after them?
I haven't cared enough to look up polling... but if they ACTUALLY had support from the majority of people in Cleveland, then I'd support it... since it's their team. But my gut feeling is that it's just a couple of white liberals from the East and West Coast that started this and pushed it... and then they found some small insignificant Indian tribe to support them. Has there been polling among native American tribes? Do they even care? What percentage of Clevelanders actually care?
I can KIND of understand the Washington Redskins... that would be like creating a team called the Hampton Crackers... but Cleveland Indians? Why is that so bad?
Does this mean Florida State University will be pressured (again) to change their name? Even though the Seminole Indian Tribe has repeatedly said they like having a school and team named after them?
I don't think it's incumbent or should be incumbent that a majority of the current fans and followers of the Cleveland MLB franchise enthusiastically support the name change.
Those are the people that I would be concerned about, if I had a financial stake in the franchise.
I expect the new Guardians name will "grow" on people. Before they were called the "Indians" they had some other name (long time ago, by now). I doubt they put that change up for any kind of public referendum.
I think one problem with the Indians name was that part of the brand was a cartoon-like caricature of "Chief Wahoo" and that even though they had recently stopped having that on their uniform caps and jerseys and other branded merchandise, the memory sticks.
I think the big stakeholders here--the owners of the Cleveland MLB franchise--were not concerned about Florida State University, or the Atlanta Braves, or the Kansas City Chiefs (etc.) or anything beyond their own Cleveland MLB franchise--and I think that's how it should be.
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The Guardians name was already in use by another sports team for about 10 years, apparently nobody involved could be bothered to do a simple Google search.
I don't think it's incumbent or should be incumbent that a majority of the current fans and followers of the Cleveland MLB franchise enthusiastically support the name change.
Those are the people that I would be concerned about, if I had a financial stake in the franchise.
I expect the new Guardians name will "grow" on people. Before they were called the "Indians" they had some other name (long time ago, by now). I doubt they put that change up for any kind of public referendum.
I think one problem with the Indians name was that part of the brand was a cartoon-like caricature of "Chief Wahoo" and that even though they had recently stopped having that on their uniform caps and jerseys and other branded merchandise, the memory sticks.
I think the big stakeholders here--the owners of the Cleveland MLB franchise--were not concerned about Florida State University, or the Atlanta Braves, or the Kansas City Chiefs (etc.) or anything beyond their own Cleveland MLB franchise--and I think that's how it should be.
What bothers me, obviously... is that I believe this decision was made based entirely from pressure by a group of "woke" middle class white progressives. Because of that, I don't feel like any logical thought went into it, and it was basically all emotional. As a kid, I liked the LA Dodgers, but the Cleveland Indians was my second favorite baseball team (mostly because of the movie). But whatever, that's besides the point.
Another aspect of this that bothers me is that they've totally eliminated any aspect of the native American heritage. Before I moved to Florida, I'd lived in Massachusetts, Connecticut, Virginia, Washington D.C., etc... and growing up in all those liberal states, I'd literally never seen a Native American before in my life... only on television. So I was actually kind of excited when I moved to Fort Lauderdale, and there were multiple Indian tribes. Not that you should care about such things... but with this woke ideology, we're basically eliminating culture too. Sure, they can change the logo to something more honorable, but unless Guardians has something to do with native Americans... then it seems they've basically eliminated that.
Also, the name already belongs to a Roller Derby Team... so what now? Will the NFL simply steam-roll over them because they have bigger lawyers and more money to throw at it? Seems ridiculous that they wouldn't have bothered to patent the name before making the announcement.
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Why do Army Helicopters have Native American names?
LOL, just wait... Jeep is seriously considering eliminating the Cherokee name. The military isn't far behind. Someone just needs to put that bug in the ear of Kamala and then it's done...
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Why do Army Helicopters have Native American names?
The Indian tribe names suggest an aggressive spirit and confidence in the capabilities of the aircraft. They also suggest mobility, firepower, and endurance. Of course, these are only a few reasons for naming helicopters after Indian tribes. In short, the U.S. Army did so because of the quality of character and fighting spirit of American Indians.
The next Super Bowl could draw some very high ratings. 
