Canada is a bastion of leftist liberals, or so I've been told here in O/T. However, I don't think I've ever encountered anyone in my social circles who is "anti-science". Strange.
What is anti-science? I don't know of any group that denies science more than gender fluid groups. What side of the spectrum are they? As far as space and NASA and on topic issues are concerned, my take on the issue is that it has nothing at all to do with denying science, it has more to do with a lack of genuine interest, lack of funding and a lack of actual return from the industry. At the beginning of the space race we had many returns and benefits, but now all we get are fuzzy/grainy images and bizarre opinions of what those images might be. It takes a hell of a lot more than that to keep the interest up.
We get understanding and knowledge from the space program which the human species will desperately need in the future. The problem is, people tend to look at "what do I get from it NOW? How is space money helping MEEE?
Unless one just has a thirst for knowledge, a concern for the future, and more than just a few brain cells, it probably has nothing for them because they choose to live in a very tiny and closed off world of their own. Such are Earthlings in the early 21st century.
We, as a nation, a people and as a global species need space exploration.
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I don't know of any group that denies science more than gender fluid groups. What side of the spectrum are they?
As far as space and NASA and on topic issues are concerned, my take on the issue is that it has nothing at all to do with denying science, it has more to do with a lack of genuine interest, lack of funding and a lack of actual return from the industry. At the beginning of the space race we had many returns and benefits, but now all we get are fuzzy/grainy images and bizarre opinions of what those images might be.
It takes a hell of a lot more than that to keep the interest up.
Hi Rick.
I will take a "pass" on the gender and gender-fluidity part of that, because it gets very "social" and "cultural" (and political.)
But I have to say that I think you are missing out on what's been happening in space over not just the past several years, but even all the way back to about 1990. It's a lot more than just some fuzzy or grainy images and "bizarre" opinions. The various planetary probes have created a wealth of hard numerical data about the other planets. ALL of the other planets. Even the minor planet Pluto (since it was demoted.)
It's a great big database of hi-resolution photo imagery, radar scans and spectroscopy data that reveals many previous unknowns about the atmospheres and the surfaces of the other planets. The planetary moons. The magnetic fields. There's speculation about the possibility of life on Titan and Enceladus (moons that are orbiting Saturn) and it's not just loose speculation--there's way more information to consider than anyone had in the earliest days of NASA and the first crewed space missions.
The robot vehicles that have been traversing the surface of Mars.
These decades of unmanned planetary probes that have gone all the way out to Pluto and beyond have created a huge amount of planetary science.
What were the very first NASA missions? Just "man in a can." Dramatic, because of the human presence in space, but these more recent decades of unmanned probes are so much more significant in terms of science.
On top of all that, there are the advancements in the scientific understanding of the Sun, and that has involved satellites and space probes. The one space probe that went very close to the Sun.
"Where ya' been, dude?"
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I have a handful of close up pictures that came from a radio engineering group that I follow. I was going to post them until I saw that this thread has gone to hell like so many others. Fsck it.
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Originally posted by [REDACTED]: As far as space and NASA and on topic issues are concerned, my take on the issue is that it has nothing at all to do with denying science, it has more to do with a lack of genuine interest, lack of funding and a lack of actual return from the industry. At the beginning of the space race we had many returns and benefits, but now all we get are fuzzy/grainy images and bizarre opinions of what those images might be.
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Recent Cassini images of Saturn's moon Enceladus backlit by the sun show the fountain-like sources of the fine spray of material that towers over the south polar region. This image was taken looking more or less broadside at the "tiger stripe" fractures observed in earlier Enceladus images. It shows discrete plumes of a variety of apparent sizes above the limb (edge) of the moon.
Imaging scientists, as reported in the journal Science on March 10, 2006, believe that the jets are geysers erupting from pressurized subsurface reservoirs of liquid water above 273 degrees Kelvin (0 degrees Celsius).
This caption was updated on March 9, 2006.
So... is that a "fuzzy/grainy image"..? And a "bizarre" opinion, that there are geysers that are visible in this photo image that are erupting from reservoirs of water that are part of the subsurface structure of Saturn's moon, Enceladus?
I have a handful of close up pictures that came from a radio engineering group that I follow. I was going to post them until I saw that this thread has gone to hell like so many others. Fsck it.
It's the same people who over and over again wish to make every freakin' thread political... as if there aren't already enough complete-waste-of-time political threads in O/T.
Raydar, if you change your mind... there are a lot of us who'd appreciate seeing your images.
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It's too bad they can't superimpose some kind of scale in the corner of the video which would give the viewer some idea of the size of the craters and/or of the camera's distance from the surface.
For example, it would be helpful to know if this crater is ten miles across... or ten inches.
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We get understanding and knowledge from the space program which the human species will desperately need in the future.
This could not be further from the truth. The fact is all we need is a man and a woman to do their thing, and we will survive.
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The problem is, people tend to look at "what do I get from it
This is a perfectly legitimate adult responsible question.
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NOW? How is space money helping MEEE?
Answer please.
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Unless one just has a thirst for knowledge, a concern for the future, and more than just a few brain cells, it probably has nothing for them because they choose to live in a very tiny and closed off world of their own. Such are Earthlings in the early 21st century.
Our World is very fulfilling as it is. We need NOTHING from "space" in order to lead a healthier well balanced life. Seems to me that the same exact opposite of your argument is true.
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We, as a nation, a people and as a global species need space exploration.
How and why? How many thousand years went by before we even had the ability to fly? And we got by just fine without going to space.
The fact of the matter is that we did benefit from our drive to space....BUT then reality set in. There is nothing more for us to harvest from it. Now it is a drain of resources and treasure. Like squeezing juice from a fruit, the harvest is plentiful and easy to get at the beginning, even truly exciting. But we are now at the point of smashing the seeds to a pulp and trying to convince ourselves we have more in it. We will never be able to explore space, not as a collective group of 100, and CERTAINLY NOT move the entire population of people off of a "used up Earth". IF, we could put a group or team of humans on a ship and send them off into space (cut the cord) TOTALLY on their own self sufficient and NOT reliant on supply from Earth, NOBODY on Earth has anything to benefit from it except the cost of sending those people to their demise.
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Have you ever heard that our sun and it's hydrogen will eventually go "kaput' and expand in a huge manner, assimilating everything this side of Pluto and the Kuiper Belt in a fiery debacle?
Do you think we (the species) would want to wait until Earth turns 20,000°F to figure out how to get of town and find a different and habitable place for our species to continue life?
You/me/everything here today and now are insignificant in the bigger scheme of things. What we as individuals get out of it is nothing. What we as a species gets is everything.
All that is assuming we aren't first the target of a random asteroid or invaded by another species that are here for our wimmen and cows.
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How and why? How many thousand years went by before we even had the ability to fly? And we got by just fine without going to space.
The fact of the matter is that we did benefit from our drive to space....BUT then reality set in. There is nothing more for us to harvest from it. Now it is a drain of resources and treasure. Like squeezing juice from a fruit, the harvest is plentiful and easy to get at the beginning, even truly exciting. But we are now at the point of smashing the seeds to a pulp and trying to convince ourselves we have more in it. We will never be able to explore space, not as a collective group of 100, and CERTAINLY NOT move the entire population of people off of a "used up Earth". IF, we could put a group or team of humans on a ship and send them off into space (cut the cord) TOTALLY on their own self sufficient and NOT reliant on supply from Earth, NOBODY on Earth has anything to benefit from it except the cost of sending those people to their demise.
We evacuate great cities quite frequently, millions of people. In the distant future, 'driving' off this planet will be no different than driving out of any Earthbound city, based in great part to what we learn during exploration.
Dang it Rick, you never plan ahead, you never take the long view, I mean here it is Thursday and I'm already thinking of millions of years in the future... It is Thursday right?
See, I plan ahead, that way I don't do anything right now. A guy named Earl explained it to me.
Have you ever heard that our sun and it's hydrogen will eventually go "kaput' and expand in a huge manner, assimilating everything this side of Pluto and the Kuiper Belt in a fiery debacle?
The people on Earth will destroy everything as we know it well before the sun has any say in the matter.
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Do you think we (the species) would want to wait until Earth turns 20,000°F to figure out how to get of town and find a different and habitable place for our species to continue life?
The "species" has proven that it's biggest threat is it's own species. We have had an AMAZING Planet to live on (as a species) and we have not been good to it. And no, climate change is not the end all. Our very nature is the reason we will not survive this Planet or any other. Greed, hate, lust, sex and jealousy, power and MANY other reasons will prevent any crew from reaching another inhabitable place. Ironically it was space that kept humanity alive this long, space as in distance from each other. If all of humanity were on just one small Contenent without an escape, we would have killed each other off long ago. And it is this very lack of space in outer space that we will struggle with as much as any other obstacles. I love science, but I am a realist, there are WAY to many hurdles and obstacles in the way of outer space exploration.
So what does science say about deep space travel? How long will food water and supplies last? Relative to the next inhabitable place, how long will it take to get there? Has any actual scientists had real discussions about sex and raising children in space? Any data or studies on it? How about landing a craft on a new surface? How about weakness from being in space? Who will tend to our species in our infantile helpless lack of muscle and vital needs for nutrition, water, medicine or the medical care we so take for granted here on Earth when one of ours comes down from space camp? These are just a few questions that prevent us from deep space. There are many more obstacles in our way. One of the biggest is the lack of public support for this project. The ISS is an outdated piece of engineering wonder (at one time) and America has left the space shuttle in history with no family line to follow, why? The cost to return ratio vrs public support for it. This is one of the biggest hurdles, getting people to pay the bills. The technology will never happen either, BUT let's just say it is obtainable. The people won't support it in any tangible way. Our species is more interested in fictional movies than the bleek reality of space travel.
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You/me/everything here today and now are insignificant in the bigger scheme of things. What we as individuals get out of it is nothing. What we as a species gets is everything.
Unleashing humanity on the universe is like China Unleashing covid19 on the Word. (Metaphorically speaking) some othe creatures will be put at risk. To me that is not "everything" that is nothing.
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All that is assuming we aren't first the target of a random asteroid or invaded by another species that are here for our wimmen and cows.
This is a good point, to date the World has no indisputable proof or evidence of space craft landing on Earth, but for some reason the general consensus is that the Governments are hiding the proof? Why? Why would our species hide proof of other Worlds species and then get on a craft to inhabit another World? Does any of that make sense?
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We evacuate great cities quite frequently, millions of people. In the distant future, 'driving' off this planet will be no different than driving out of any Earthbound city, based in great part to what we learn during exploration.
Dang it Rick, you never plan ahead, you never take the long view, I mean here it is Thursday and I'm already thinking of millions of years in the future... It is Thursday right?
See, I plan ahead, that way I don't do anything right now. A guy named Earl explained it to me.
I loved that show "Everybody loves Earl". Funny show. I would be more optimistic about said plans if I could be optimistic about humanity. We are our own worst enemy. Technology hasn't fixed or overcome that hurdle.
For many that read the report on page 1 of the thread... Is sad but not shocking/surprising. Only thing good seems no-one killed when cables etc went everywhere.
Now NAIC just have to clean up leftover mess and not spending big money to demo the whole thing. CDI and other big Demo companies cost huge amount of money w/ good reason beside to make profit.
Expect many Ebay items as they scrap most of it. Including fake items didn't come near there.
Are you paying attention, if you are one of the "space science" doubters or skeptics?
I already see the possibilities. "Radishes grown in microgravity have a freshness and flavor nuances that you've never experienced before. Just $124 per pound at Whole Space Foods."
Are you paying attention, if you are one of the "space science" doubters or skeptics?
I already see the possibilities. "Radishes grown in microgravity have a freshness and flavor nuances that you've never experienced before. Just $124 per pound at Whole Space Foods."
Well, when you're down on your luck, And you ain't got no bucks, In Puerto Rico you're a goner. Even Aricebo has fallen down to be rebuilt in Arizona. Now we know why.
(apologies to Jerry Jeff Walker and Gary P. Nunn)
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Well, when you're down on your luck, And you ain't got no bucks, In Puerto Rico you're a goner. Even Aricebo has fallen down to be rebuilt in Arizona. Now we know why.
Well, when you're down on your luck, And you ain't got no bucks, In Puerto Rico you're a goner. Even Aricebo has fallen down to be rebuilt in Arizona. Now we know why.
