A riot was declared Wednesday evening when agitators descended upon the Portland Police Bureau’s East Precinct building, spray-painted over security cameras, broke a glass door with a 2x4, lit a fire using an accelerant and threw fireworks and other objects at officers, according to FOX 12 in Portland.
Police said that a truck also attempted to run over officers.
The front doors of the precinct were barricaded before the fire was started with more than 20 officers and civilian employees inside, police said, according to FOX 12.
The Racist Anarchist Left have their fake, Mother Wall, so a group of senior citizens decided to defend the police precinct by standing guard in front to hopefully protect the police from the racist rioters.
The Biden kids just throw paint on them.
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Was with a group of folks the other day and the topic of all these protests came up. One person said he knew how to stop the riots. He said "we" should stand back and allow peaceful protests. it's our constitutional right. But, keep a high powered rifle or two (or dozen) scoping out the crowd. When things started to get out of hand and things got violent, use that rifle or two and take down the rioters involved. He didn't think it would take long for peaceful protests to stay peaceful.
I would not advocate such an action but, I think he had a point.
One person said he knew how to stop the riots. He said "we" should stand back and allow peaceful protests. it's our constitutional right. But, keep a high powered rifle or two (or dozen) scoping out the crowd. When things started to get out of hand and things got violent, use that rifle or two and take down the rioters involved.
I am in no freakin' way defending the scumbags that would attempt to set fire to a building, especially with people inside and the exits barricaded. However, the solution is not to act like some third-world fascist state and have snipers picking off people in the crowd from the rooftops. What an idiotic suggestion.
Didn't this brainiac learn anything from Kent State?
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Maybe we could give the rioters the Manuel Noriega treatment. We could play Pop and Bro-Country, non stop Adele and Florida Georgia line. No one could survive that.
...... and have snipers picking off people in the crowd from the rooftops. What an idiotic suggestion.
For once you are right.....rooftops make shitty hunting stands. Stick with the top floor windows. Better cover, more stable footing and the bathroom is close by.
(NOPE, I am not going to cry ONE BIT if some Marxist gets himself splattered trying to take MY rights and freedoms. frack 'em. Hope it hurts too)
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Was with a group of folks the other day and the topic of all these protests came up. One person said he knew how to stop the riots. He said "we" should stand back and allow peaceful protests. it's our constitutional right. But, keep a high powered rifle or two (or dozen) scoping out the crowd. When things started to get out of hand and things got violent, use that rifle or two and take down the rioters involved. He didn't think it would take long for peaceful protests to stay peaceful.
I would not advocate such an action but, I think he had a point.
No, I don't know his name either.
Rams
I'll advocate for such action. I've been saying similar for a while now. We have to meet violence with more violence or the punks win. It's not popular, and nobody wants anyone to be killed, but when they are trying to kill us, and we aren't doing anything because we will look bad...
I mean, think about this for a minute. How big of puzzies have we all become?
NOPE, I am not going to cry ONE BIT if some Marxist gets himself splattered trying to take MY rights and freedoms. frack 'em. Hope it hurts too.
So you have no problem with authority figures doing whatever it takes to maintain law and order... when it's someone else breaking the law. You, on the other hand, want to be able to do whatever you wish, with no interference from those who maintain order. Yeah, good luck with that.
frack the laws and screw (actually, no) the offended.
PLUS, I have a real problem with authority. I don't play well with it and don't take kindly to MY rights being trampled just because some jackass wants to prove he is in charge.
NO, he aint. I am. They are MY rights, not his, and that puts ME at the top of the food chain.
So you have no problem with authority figures doing whatever it takes to maintain law and order... when it's someone else breaking the law. You, on the other hand, want to be able to do whatever you wish, with no interference from those who maintain order. Yeah, good luck with that.
frack the laws and screw (actually, no) the offended.
PLUS, I have a real problem with authority. I don't play well with it and don't take kindly to MY rights being trampled just because some jackass wants to prove he is in charge.
NO, he aint. I am. They are MY rights, not his, and that puts ME at the top of the food chain.
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You seem to be missing the point that BOTH sides in this are EXACTLY the same thing with EXACTLY the same goals. Flip sides of the same coin. They are BOTH trying to strip free speech, free thought, seize private property and subjugate the masses. It makes NO DIFFERENCE if its some Marxist with a mask in the name of "The People", or a goon in jackboots in the name of "The Law and Government". The end result to the regular working guy is one and the same.
Which is why I've said many times let them fight it out, shoot any survivors, and the rest of us can enjoy some peace and quiet.
Nazis and Commies are BOTH socialist ideals.
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I am in no freakin' way defending the scumbags that would attempt to set fire to a building, especially with people inside and the exits barricaded. However, the solution is not to act like some third-world fascist state and have snipers picking off people in the crowd from the rooftops. What an idiotic suggestion.
Didn't this brainiac learn anything from Kent State?
Well, I'm all ears, what's your solution?
I'm not advocating such activities but, I do agree that doing so would surely make those prone to barricading buildings and then setting fires an opportunity to "think about it". Those who decide to point lasers into the eyes of LEOs would regret it if someone was returning the favor I'm sure.
I'm interested to learn your solution. Please remember, I'm one of those folks who believe we are all responsible for our decisions and actions.
------------------ Rams
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
My wife told me to grow up. I told her to get out of my fort!
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So you have no problem with authority figures doing whatever it takes to maintain law and order... when it's someone else breaking the law. You, on the other hand, want to be able to do whatever you wish, with no interference from those who maintain order. Yeah, good luck with that.
frack the laws and screw (actually, no) the offended.
PLUS, I have a real problem with authority. I don't play well with it and don't take kindly to MY rights being trampled just because some jackass wants to prove he is in charge.
NO, he aint. I am. They are MY rights, not his, and that puts ME at the top of the food chain.
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Lets just take one very current example, Patrick. The Confederate Battle Flag.
Antifa/BLM is trying to take it by force. Legislators are trying to take it by "Law" Corporations (Nascar) are trying to take it by "Policy"
At the end of the day, does it matter which of the 3 wins ? All 3 are trying to remove the right to free expression, free belief, and self determination to decide for ourselves what we will and will not support or endorse, or find meaning in as well as what that meaning is. All 3 are an enemy of freedom, human rights and constitutional rights....so frack 'em all.
I'm not advocating such activities but, I do agree that doing so would surely make those prone to barricading buildings and then setting fires an opportunity to "think about it".
Why were these people allowed to barricade the exits and set fires in the first place? Where were the police? It was a police precinct for cryin' out loud! Were they all inside the building hiding in their lockers?
The time and place to confront the b*st*rds setting the fires was as the criminal activities were taking place, face to face. I think if Officer O'Malley (supported by the rest of the precinct) would've walked out the front door of the building with his gun pointed at the head of the guy with the matches, maybe this nonsense could've been avoided. Allowing these anarchists to do whatever they want during a "protest" is absolutely ludicrous.
Why were these people allowed to barricade the exits and set fires in the first place? Where were the police? It was a police precinct for cryin' out loud! Were they all inside the building hiding in their lockers?
The time and place to confront the b*st*rds setting the fires was as the criminal activities were taking place, face to face. I think if Officer O'Malley (supported by the rest of the precinct) would've walked out the front door of the building with his gun pointed at the head of the guy with the matches, maybe this nonsense could've been avoided. Allowing these anarchists to do whatever they want during a "protest" is absolutely ludicrous.
My thoughts somewhat agree with what you are suggesting but, when liberal city councils, mayors and even governors stymie the police, who do we have to blame?
My understanding is that there was a large gathering of LEO supporters in Seattle today. Hopefully, this will all be remembered come election time.
------------------ Rams
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
My wife told me to grow up. I told her to get out of my fort!
Lets just take one very current example, Patrick. The Confederate Battle Flag.
Antifa/BLM is trying to take it by force. Legislators are trying to take it by "Law" Corporations (Nascar) are trying to take it by "Policy"
At the end of the day, does it matter which of the 3 wins ? All 3 are trying to remove the right to free expression, free belief, and self determination to decide for ourselves what we will and will not support or endorse, or find meaning in as well as what that meaning is.
All 3 are an enemy of freedom, human rights and constitutional rights....so frack 'em all.
That's just baloney.
"You" can have your Confederate battle flags and other memorabilia of the Confederacy, unless "You" are a public space like a city park or a university campus, or "You" are a federal, state or municipal government building or facility. Or unless "You" are an entity like NASCAR or some other commercial or non-profit enterprise that wants to consider general public opinion or customer acceptance, and in that case, "You" can still have Confederate flags and other emblems, but "You" have to be willing to accept the consequences in terms of who will or who will not patronize your establishment or buy your product or buy into your non-profit's agenda.
That leaves a lot of "You" that falls outside of these exclusive categories of "You" that cannot or rationally should not have or publicly display Confederate symbology.
It leaves "MidEngineManiac" a measure of freedom in particular... He can have all of the Confederate memorabilia that he wants.
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Lets just take one very current example, Patrick. The Confederate Battle Flag.
Antifa/BLM is trying to take it by force. Legislators are trying to take it by "Law" Corporations (Nascar) are trying to take it by "Policy"
At the end of the day, does it matter which of the 3 wins ? All 3 are trying to remove the right to free expression, free belief, and self determination to decide for ourselves what we will and will not support or endorse, or find meaning in as well as what that meaning is. All 3 are an enemy of freedom, human rights and constitutional rights....so frack 'em all.
I'm curious where you got the idea that the Constitution does anything in reference to what a company can or can not do concerning your right to free speech. Our (US) Constitution only says the GOVERNMENT will not. Thinking you are confused there. Companies can and do have the right to ban weapons, demand you wear a face mask and control what their employees say while employed and on their property. If, an employee breaks rules, they can be terminated or demanded to vacate the premises. The same is true of customers. Again, show me where our Constitution does as you suggest. What it does do is state what the Feds have the power of/for and all other things are for the states and the people to decide/control. While I may or may not agree with the flag issue you raised (or any of the other issues), it's definitely not a Federal/Constitutional issue. Thereby, State Legislators do have a say and so do the People.
Edited: My Lord, did hell just freeze over? Rinse and I agree on something and, he kept his response fairly brief.
Rams
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My thoughts somewhat agree with what you are suggesting but, when liberal city councils, mayors and even governors stymie the police, who do we have to blame?
Replace the word "liberal" with "spineless"... and I'll agree with you.
I'm looking at it more from our (Canadian) perspective. Corporations have a LOT fewer rights here due to our human rights laws and constitution than they do down there. They (or governments) don't get a say in our beliefs, politics, personal values, religion ect. Some try (even high profile like Don Cherry recently) but generally end up paying decent settlements for doing so.
Why were these people allowed to barricade the exits and set fires in the first place? Where were the police? It was a police precinct for cryin' out loud! Were they all inside the building hiding in their lockers?
The time and place to confront the b*st*rds setting the fires was as the criminal activities were taking place, face to face. I think if Officer O'Malley (supported by the rest of the precinct) would've walked out the front door of the building with his gun pointed at the head of the guy with the matches, maybe this nonsense could've been avoided. Allowing these anarchists to do whatever they want during a "protest" is absolutely ludicrous.
Please explain to me the difference in your face to face potential execution and the one I described. In both scenarios, someone is gonna get shot. At least, Officier O'Malley has a better chance of surviving in the scenario I was discussing. Again, I am not advocating killing anyone but, I am for defending our LEOS and our property especially when LEOs and innocents are at risk. Please remember the numbers here also, the LEOs were extremely outnumbered.
I also don't care about anyone's particular race, gender, nationality, political affiliation or LBGTQ status, a rioter is a rioter IMHO.
Rams
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Please explain to me the difference in your face to face potential execution and the one I described. In both scenarios, someone is gonna get shot.
Why? Are the police there not capable of speaking? I suspect even Officer O'Malley should be able to sputter out... "Step away or you will be shot". The person he's addressing now has the opportunity to make a decision... follow orders and live (and maybe rethink their actions), or continue to fuel the fire and be shot.
The other difference between dealing with the situation face to face or from the rooftops is that the "face to face" officer needs to be a whole lot more accountable for his actions. I don't want innocent bystanders being mistakenly shot by some unknown cowboy hiding 100 yards away.
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Why? Are the police there not capable of speaking? I suspect even Officer O'Malley should be able to sputter out... "Step away or you will be shot". The person he's addressing now has the opportunity to make a decision... follow orders and live (and maybe rethink their actions), or continue to fuel the fire and be shot.
The other difference between dealing with the situation face to face or from the rooftops is that the "face to face" officer needs to be a whole lot more accountable for his actions. I don't want innocent bystanders being shot by some unknown cowboy hiding 100 yards away.
Would you feel better if they used loudspeakers, spotlights and lasers with dots on specific targets foreheads? I can see Officer O'Malley being sued, thrown off the force and possibly jailed for defying superior orders. What I'm saying is, the police have been abandoned by their own elected leadership. That leadership has failed the people and should be held responsible. Most of the folks I know believe this is going to continue until a spark ignites an explosion across this country. Maybe that's a good thing, I'm not qualified to say.
Edited: Honestly, I see little difference in protecting Officer O'Malley and protecting the President of the US. Don't care which President you're talking about, they all have snipers covering them and the crowds. Officer O'Malley's life is important to ya know.
------------------ Rams
Isn't it strange that after a riot, everyone blames the police, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a riot, the problem is never the rioter.... Open your frigg'n minds, a rioter is simply someone causing chaos and destruction for their own personal retribution.
My wife told me to grow up. I told her to get out of my fort!
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Would you feel better if they used spotlights and lasers with dots on specific targets foreheads?
No, not really. I feel it would still be too easy to make some sniper judge, jury and executioner. Ya gotta know that not everyone shot in this manner would be guilty of a crime worthy of capital punishment.
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I can see Officer O'Malley being sued, thrown off the force and possibly jailed for defying superior orders.
For doing what, trying to prevent a crime from occurring in the first place? If that's what our society has come to, then maybe it's time for the asteroid to hit.
For doing what, trying to prevent a crime from occurring in the first place? If that's what our society has come to, then maybe it's time for the asteroid to hit.
I'm thinking you need to look around a bit more. Police are being bombarded constantly of allegations and accusations of crimes just because it'll make the news and some low life might be able to use it as an excuse to get off. Who in their right minds would want to be a LEO today? Would you, I wouldn't.
Edited: It's late and I'm an early riser. Have a good night.
Rams
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I look around plenty... and what I see is Canada. Not trying to be facetious, but Canada and the US are different. It seems to me that there is a much greater degree of polarization (of beliefs) down there... whether that be racial, political, religious, whatever. And I dare say it's not to the betterment of the US.
I can only hope that cooler heads prevail in the States and that Americans start working together again. It's not easy living next door to a super-power that appears to be on the brink of a meltdown.
I look around plenty... and what I see is Canada. Not trying to be facetious, but Canada and the US are different. It seems to me that there is a much greater degree of polarization (of beliefs) down there... whether that be racial, political, religious, whatever. And I dare say it's not to the betterment of the US.
I can only hope that cooler heads prevail in the States and that Americans start working together again. It's not easy living next door to a super-power that appears to be on the brink of a meltdown.
It is ironic that America was a better neighbor before the "tolerant left" started demanding that we be more tolerant.
"You" can have your Confederate battle flags and other memorabilia of the Confederacy, unless "You" are a public space like a city park or a university campus, or "You" are a federal, state or municipal government building or facility. Or unless "You" are an entity like NASCAR or some other commercial or non-profit enterprise that wants to consider general public opinion or customer acceptance, and in that case, "You" can still have Confederate flags and other emblems, but "You" have to be willing to accept the consequences in terms of who will or who will not patronize your establishment or buy your product or buy into your non-profit's agenda.
That leaves a lot of "You" that falls outside of these exclusive categories of "You" that cannot or rationally should not have or publicly display Confederate symbology.
It leaves "MidEngineManiac" a measure of freedom in particular... He can have all of the Confederate memorabilia that he wants.
First of all, Rinse, as I said CURRENT example. I used the flag simply because its a current political hot-potato. Could be baseball cards, green hats, underwear showing with pants around the knees (eewww)...anything. The particular item isn't that important to the concept.
Second, what we have is a VERY base-level difference in philosophy.
#1... is "I don't like it, I'm offended and I don't wanna see it so you can only have it in private. Nice and fascist/marxist and controlling of you.
#2...is FREEDOM !! I'll have whatever I want pretty much wherever I want, and if you don't like my exposed underwear and neon green hat then don't look at them. Pretty simple, really.
In a nutshell its freedom VS censorship. I'll take door #2 for $100 Alex.
As for all those "offendeed", I really-truly dont give a damn. There are 7 billion on this planet and I cant get to pleasing everyone today. Tomorrow isnt looking so hot either.
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"Canada to impose [retaliatory] tariffs on $2.7 billion [worth of U.S imports] after Trump reignites trade feud"
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Canada said Friday it will slap retaliatory tariffs on $2.7 billion worth of U.S. goods, the latest development in a new trade feud sparked by President Donald Trump’s decision to reimpose [10 percent tariffs on U.S. imports of aluminum from Canada.]
I look around plenty... and what I see is Canada. Not trying to be facetious, but Canada and the US are different. It seems to me that there is a much greater degree of polarization (of beliefs) down there... whether that be racial, political, religious, whatever. And I dare say it's not to the betterment of the US.
I can only hope that cooler heads prevail in the States and that Americans start working together again. It's not easy living next door to a super-power that appears to be on the brink of a meltdown.
Having only traveled in your country, I don't know or follow much that goes on there. I'll accept your word that we are different. But, I don't really care how Canada handles itself or, it's issues. What I will say is, Canada can do what Canada wants. I don't believe you can find one time that I ever said Canada should do anything. That being said, I don't mind Canadians offering their opinions but, this is our internal problem and I (we) have no requirement to listen or care what Canada thinks. Just keep your Liberal ideologies up there.
Your scenario of Officer O'Malley and the one I wrote of are not all that different. Please note, I never suggested Protestors should be targeted, only rioters. We'll just have to agree to disagree on how it should be done, I believe we both agree that addressing the issue would have the effect of reducing the rioting.
You never answered my question about being a LEO. You want Officer O'Malley to confront the rioter(s), gun in hand, pointed at a head. Are you willing to stand in Officer O'Malley's shoes? Stand beside or behind him defending that building with folks inside?
Long ago, as a Marine, I was stationed at a "Special Weapons" base. This facility was guarded by US Marines. Just about every holiday (during that timeframe), the Anti-War Protestors would gather outside our perimeter and attempt to demonstrate against the policies currently in force. I had no problem with that. But, the few times they got a little belligerent and tried to climb our fence, things got a little testy.
Local LEOs were between the protestors and our fence. There were MPs and dogs behind the fence and then a company of Marines. Those LEOs saved many lives because, I can assure you, no one was going to be allowed to get inside our area, regardless of their intent. I can also assure you that not one Marine wanted to be in that situation having to make the decision to fire on any one but, I have no doubt that should a "rioter" have gotten past the local LEOs, over or through the fence and past those MPs/dogs, there would have been bloodshed.
Rams
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Why were these people allowed to barricade the exits and set fires in the first place? Where were the police? It was a police precinct for cryin' out loud! Were they all inside the building hiding in their lockers?
I've asked the same thing over and over and over again. I know you're not fond of this answer, but it is exclusively the liberal mayors and governors that are allowing this. All states are allowing protests... but as soon as it starts to get violent, the conservative states have been shutting it down quickly. In the liberal states, they're not only allowing it, but they're literally abandoning police stations to allow the rioters free reign. It is absolutely crazy to me... but I am of the impression it has to do with elections. I believe most of these Democrats are up for re-election this November, and they actually believe that the constituency wants to allow this. Personally, I think this ideology is so far removed from reality... I don't think anyone wants this except the rioters. Almost all the rioting and vandalism you're seeing is from mostly white middle class kids. Many of them are (to some extent) suffering from various forms of mental illness too. Their parents never set boundaries for them, and the legislators aren't either.
Any relation to the current Trudeau? Is that his father or something? If so... holy crap did that apple fall far from the tree. It fell, rolled down the hill, and then fell off the cliff.
Yup, thats his supposed father although the scuttlebut is Justine is ACTUALLY Fidel Castro's since Margeret Trudeau was screwing him along with Mick Jagger.
You guys got NOTHING on us when it comes to political scandals. Willie and his cigars is just an amateur.
Liberal USED to mean, at least here...freedom. Live and let live. Dont frack with me and I wont frack with you. Treat people the way you want to be treated.
THAT was before the social marxists took over the word.
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Would you feel better if they used loudspeakers, spotlights and lasers with dots on specific targets foreheads? I can see Officer O'Malley being sued, thrown off the force and possibly jailed for defying superior orders. What I'm saying is, the police have been abandoned by their own elected leadership. That leadership has failed the people and should be held responsible. Most of the folks I know believe this is going to continue until a spark ignites an explosion across this country. Maybe that's a good thing, I'm not qualified to say.
Edited: Honestly, I see little difference in protecting Officer O'Malley and protecting the President of the US. Don't care which President you're talking about, they all have snipers covering them and the crowds. Officer O'Malley's life is important to ya know.
Ron...we were soldiers then. And pilots. We are not now. Just old men remembering.
Mind ya, I do remember that little girl in old mexico...
I don't mind Canadians offering their opinions but, this is our internal problem and I (we) have no requirement to listen or care what Canada thinks. Just keep your Liberal ideologies up there.
Ummm... before I respond any further, you're going to have to clarify something. Are you criticizing me for posting in this thread?
Was with a group of folks the other day and the topic of all these protests came up. One person said he knew how to stop the riots. He said "we" should stand back and allow peaceful protests. it's our constitutional right. But, keep a high powered rifle or two (or dozen) scoping out the crowd. When things started to get out of hand and things got violent, use that rifle or two and take down the rioters involved. He didn't think it would take long for peaceful protests to stay peaceful.
I would not advocate such an action but, I think he had a point.
No, I don't know his name either.
Rams
I'll advocate for such action. I've been saying similar for a while now. We have to meet violence with more violence or the punks win. It's not popular, and nobody wants anyone to be killed, but when they are trying to kill us, and we aren't doing anything because we will look bad...
I mean, think about this for a minute. How big of puzzies have we all become?
Ummm... before I respond any further, you're going to have to clarify something. Are you criticizing me for posting in this thread?
Nope, not at all. And, even though we have been "discussing" the situation, how any non-citizen of the US feels has little significance to me. Don't take that as a personal insult, it applies to anyone (non-US citizen) who offers advice. My attitude is, you take care of your house and we'll take care of ours. Nothing personal.
Edited: My question reference wearing Officer O'Malley's shoes is still unanswered. I look at it this way, if you're not willing to stand up or stand by Officer O'Malley, your (or my) opinion means squat. Less than nothing.
IMHO, Officer O'Malley deserves all the "Protection" we can provide whether his name is Patrick or Ron. He most likely has a wife and kids at home worried out of their minds praying he comes home at the end of his shift. I know several Officer O'Malley(s), Each and every one of them goes to work each day hoping they won't be involved in some action requiring them to pull a gun but, they are all prepared to do so if, someone makes them.
In this situation, the leadership of Officer O'Malley has stripped him of his authority and ability to take action and, defend himself.
Rams
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...even though we have been "discussing" the situation, how any non-citizen of the US feels has little significance to me.
Then why bother asking me the following? Not only asking me, but being perturbed that that I didn't answer it the first time you asked! (I didn't respond to it it as I thought it was a rhetorical question.)
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You never answered my question about being a LEO. You want Officer O'Malley to confront the rioter(s), gun in hand, pointed at a head. Are you willing to stand in Officer O'Malley's shoes? Stand beside or behind him defending that building with folks inside?
If what I say as a "non-citizen of the US has little significance" to you, then I don't see why I should bother wasting my time any further in a dialog with you.
If that's what our society has come to, then maybe it's time for the asteroid to hit.
so you can only have it in private. Nice and fascist/marxist and controlling of you.
