Given that fiberglass has long been used to fabricate boat hulls, it sounds like it could well make sense.
I think there are some questions that would be well to consider, before the dumping of discarded fiberglass wind turbine blades into the ocean.
What happens to the fiberglass in the ocean, and how quickly does it happen?
Does it fragment into smaller and smaller pieces of fiberglass that eventually enter the food chain? On what kind of time scale?
What is commonly being done with discarded fiberglass boat hulls?
If you go back to my previous message, I am not talking in terms of Wind Energy vs Fossil Fuels. I am not accusing anyone of having made a mistake because of that report about the discarded fiberglass wind turbine blades at that landfill site.
I am talking up the idea of Analytics-Driven Process. And I am talking up that idea, at the same time that President Trump is talking about Regulatory Rollbacks. In fact, there was a news headline just yesterday or the day before about a major new rollback of the regulations for a wide array of new development projects, including oil and gas pipelines and going well beyond that.
From all the "hot air" he was blowing recently, about Wind Power... well, it makes me very skeptical. Some of his ideas about it could be on-target and worth considering, but the way he has expressed himself on the topic... I think he's just making it up out of thin air. It doesn't look to my eyes or sound to my ears as the product of any kind of analytics or data-driven methodology or thinking.
I'm not experiencing him (Trump) as discernibly more rational than Bernie Sanders or Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, in terms of my visualizing them as sitting at the top of an organization--the Executive Branch--that has big influence upon the world, including the national and global Economic outlook, and the national and global Environmental factors, such as greenhouse gas emissions and other harmful or potentially harmful byproducts and consequences of agriculture, industry and transport.
So my messages here are about how President Trump comes across to me, via his Twitter messages and the other informal and "off the cuff" kind of remarks that are his near daily habit, from the White House lawn and wherever else he talks to reporters in a casual or seemingly unscripted way.
Is the Trump administration like an efficient and smooth-running machine, at the level of the regulatory agencies (EPA; etc.) that just happens to be concealed within an outer package--President Trump, himself--that doesn't "float my boat"..? I miss that "no drama Obama" kind of aesthetic, in terms of what I see and what I hear. It seems more reassuring to me.
A hearty "Blah, blah, blah..." to all.
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People just need to learn to get creative. Those wind-farm blades can be useful as a roof for something like a large bus stop shelter... or heck, an airport that's expanding could use them to cover the terminal loading and unloading...
Remember, "The red zone is for immediate loading and unloading of passengers only. There is no stopping in a white zone."
Facebook Glitch Reveals Greta Thunburg's Father Posting As Teenage Climate Activist
A Thursday evening software update at Facebook accidentally allowed anyone to view exactly who is posting under the accounts of public figures, businesses and other entities, according to Wired. The result? For starters, some 3 million followers of teenage climate activist Greta Thunberg have been reading posts written by her father, Svante Thunberg, and a climate activist in India who serves as a delegate at the UN's Climate Change organization, Adarsh Prathap. Thunberg, Inc. claims Greta is still the one writing the content.
Greta, Inc. explained this in a Saturday Facebook post purporting to be the young climate activist. "Some people have been asking who manages this page. First of all, since last spring I only use Facebook to repost what I write on my Twitter and Instagram accounts," reads the post, in which 'she' says she tried Facebook "early on," but didn't like it, so she uses "my father Svantes account to repost content." "The rest that is shared on Facebook is reposted from Twitter and Instagram by the guy who founded the Greta Thunberg Facebook page long before I knew it existed. His name is Adarsh Prathap and he lives in India. Since a lot of people thought it was my official page in the beginning I asked if I could co-manage it and he said yes." Greta claims to have written all the content posted by her father and Prathap. In other words, "of course it's not me silly - you should have known I just 'co-manage' the fan page."
Except - by all outward appearances it appeared to be her page alone. Facebook's 'page transparency' shows Greta as the confirmed owner - with the only clue suggesting she might have help being a page manager located in India.
According to Facebook, the flaw was quickly fixed - but not before the people behind famous accounts were revealed and shared on public forums such as 4chan. "We quickly fixed an issue where someone could see who edited or published a post on behalf of a Page when looking at its edit history," said the company in a statement. "We are grateful to the security researcher who alerted us to this issue."
Facebook says the bug was the result of a code update that it pushed Thursday evening. It's not something most people would have encountered on their own, since it took navigating to a Page, viewing an edit history, and realizing that there shouldn't be a name and profile picture assigned to edits to exploit it. Still, despite the Friday morning fix, screenshots circulated on 4chan, Imgur, and social media appearing to show the accounts behind the official Facebook Pages of the pseudonymous artist Banksy, Russian president Vladimir Putin, former US secretary of state Hillary Clinton, Canadian prime minister Justin Trudeau, the hacking collective Anonymous, climate activist Greta Thunberg, and rapper Snoop Dogg, among others. Facebook points out that no information beyond a name and public profile link were available, but that information isn't supposed to appear in the edit history at all. And for people, say, running anti-regime Pages under a repressive government, making even that much information public is plenty alarming. -Wired
'People who run sensitive Pages from their own Facebook should now consider that their identity may be known," said Lukasz Olejnik independent privacy adviser and Oxford University Center for Technology and Global Affairs. "While mistakes happen, this one is unexpected."
Given that fiberglass has long been used to fabricate boat hulls, it sounds like it could well make sense.
I think there are some questions that would be well to consider, before the dumping of discarded fiberglass wind turbine blades into the ocean.
What happens to the fiberglass in the ocean, and how quickly does it happen?
Does it fragment into smaller and smaller pieces of fiberglass that eventually enter the food chain? On what kind of time scale?
Let me guess Greta, you know nothing about fiberglass. Bad news Greta. Fiberglass comes entirely from synthetic materials such as petrochemicals ... mainly plastics (which is banned in California) .
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Originally posted by rinselberg: What is commonly being done with discarded fiberglass boat hulls?
Greta, please don't tell me the sail boat which carried your worthless azz over here to say "How dare you !" was made of fiberglass.
Greta, do you even know anything about boats ? Mine is transported on a trailer with a winch to crank it up on the trailer. I took my old boat to the dump, unhooked the winch, backed up a few times then hit the brakes, then drove off without the boat. A friend of mine cut his up in pieces, week by week, and the garbage man/truck hauled them off.
Greta, as far as what happens to fiberglass in the ocean, it degrades, just as it did on the windmill. Likely faster as moving water erodes faster than air (think Grand Canyon).
Fiberglass boats, and cars, need to be cleaned and waxed to keep both air and water from eroding it.
Does it enter the food chain ? What doesn't ? Degraded fiberglass materials, floating around in the ocean, of which fish use for air ... Have you ever eaten fiberglass ? They say fiber is good for you.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: People just need to learn to get creative. Those wind-farm blades can be useful as a roof for something like a large bus stop shelter... or heck, an airport that's expanding could use them to cover the terminal loading and unloading...
, I don't see it. The sides, top, nor the thickness are true.
If you look at the blades close, they are basically a wing. Airfoil shape.
Google Chatham-Kent wind farm. Can't fart without hitting one here.
Sidenote is a lot of locals complain about health problems, mostly headaches, from the low sound waves they generate. Don't affect me but I have amazing selective hearing
Out my front door. That's 2 of them. There is a third a little further left.
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, I don't see it. The sides, top, nor the thickness are true.
Not to mention, that for the smaller turbines (1.5MW) they average 110' ft long, meaning they weigh an average of 104.5lbs per linear foot. The 3.0MW turbine blades average 155' long and weigh 174lbs per linear foot.
The 3.0 MW turbine blades average width is 9 ft. just the blade itself, on an 8' wide x 9' long roof would weigh nearly 1400 lbs. Lot of weigh for a school bus stop roof. What they would do about the 'twist' and the taper I do not know, but not a big issue if only one blade section is needed for the complete roof. The taper from hub end to tip is significant.
, I don't see it. The sides, top, nor the thickness are true.
This is from a home that was built using Boeing 747 wings...
Figured something could be done similarly... probably more trouble than it's worth, but it could be a new home style. You have a split-ranch, he has a Tudor, I have a Windsor (hahah), sorry... lame joke.
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Originally posted by maryjane:
Not to mention, that for the smaller turbines (1.5MW) they average 110' ft long, meaning they weigh an average of 104.5lbs per linear foot. The 3.0MW turbine blades average 155' long and weigh 174lbs per linear foot.
The 3.0 MW turbine blades average width is 9 ft. just the blade itself, on an 8' wide x 9' long roof would weigh nearly 1400 lbs. Lot of weigh for a school bus stop roof. What they would do about the 'twist' and the taper I do not know, but not a big issue if only one blade section is needed for the complete roof. The taper from hub end to tip is significant.
The past couple of years, I've been doing a lot of vacationing in North West Texas, and also throughout New Mexico. The number of wind farms I've seen have been absolutely amazing. People act like the United States is so backwards when it comes to power production, but I don't think very many people on the coasts realize how prevalent these wind farms are. There were 1000s of wind turbines that I'd witnessed while driving down those awesome prairie highways.
Yep, I've been to Nolan County and seen them...some very up close.
Coming from the East Coast... most people believe the mid-west is run on coal and burning petroleum. There's this very incorrect assumption that the entire mid-west is responsible for most of the emissions that come from power generation. It's totally without warrant, but it's not something you ever question... it's just assumed to be correct because the mid-west is "backwards," or so that's what we're always told on the East-coast.
So like I said, as I was driving through Texas and the surrounding states, I saw nothing but wind farms and solar arrays... I was blown away. I just find it odd that this is never discussed at all in the media.
Originally posted by MidEngineManiac: Sidenote is a lot of locals complain about health problems, mostly headaches, from the low sound waves they generate.
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Originally posted by rinselberg: I am talking up the idea of Analytics-Driven Process. And I am talking up that idea, at the same time that President Trump is talking about Regulatory Rollbacks. In fact, there was a news headline just yesterday or the day before about a major new rollback of the regulations for a wide array of new development projects, including oil and gas pipelines and going well beyond that.
From all the "hot air" he was blowing recently, about Wind Power... well, it makes me very skeptical.
Some of his ideas about it could be on-target and worth considering, [color]but the way he has expressed himself on the topic[/color]... I think he's just making it up out of thin air. It doesn't look to my eyes or sound to my ears as the product of any kind of analytics or data-driven methodology or thinking.
Whaa whaa whaa, 'the way he expresses himself'. Give me a break. Did the message come across ?
You are skeptical ? Don't worry, you have me, my name is Joe Izuzu. It might be easier for me to ask you why you think green energy was ever a better answer. That was when I was skeptical. Was it because Global Warming was real and the biggest threat man kind has ever faced ? You never did answer my question some time ago. How has Global Warming affected you since Al Gore said we would be doomed in 2015 ?
Do you need analytic or data-driven methodology or thinking by someone that possesses such type of behavior ? You can't do that on your own ? The biggest liars and cheats are of the same behavior, at least the most successful ones. President Trump doesn't possess those traits because yo don't like the communication ?
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Originally posted by rinselberg: President Trump, himself--that doesn't "float my boat"..? I miss that "no drama Obama" kind of aesthetic, in terms of what I see and what I hear. It seems more reassuring to me.
You are in trouble Bubba. Thje entire planet will soon be under water. I have your aesthetic communication you claim you need. I learned it from my Mom. "You will be ok sweetie.Things will get better. All you have to do is a little work".
Hey, we are losing "up to 200 species per day". Just things going extinct because the United States and it's pleasure for dino goo. Evil Tony Kania at it again! Bwahahaha!
U.S. forestland has remained relatively stable, actually it has increased slightly over the last hundred years, although our population has tripled. So, it is not us, Greta.
During much of my lifetime, Brazil had been the biggest offender when it came to deforestation, but it seems that they have made huge improvements over the last decade. Bolivia seems to be the current bad guy in this arena, but the land is going primarily toward non timber related agriculture. They have people to feed, so they have a choice: cut down the trees or starve. What would you do, Greta?
I suppose we could help them modernize their means of production, but that would require.....wait for it.....FOSSIL FUELS!
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Originally posted by cliffw: You never did answer my question some time ago. How has Global Warming affected you since Al Gore said we would be doomed in 2015 ?
He was raised conservative, became extremely progressive, and is a person non grata in numerous countries around the world. So, like our lefties say, a great guy.
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, I don't see it. The sides, top, nor the thickness are true.
