Nowhere, does it say or even infer, that you are supposed to eat all of that. You eat enough to get the calories you need...about 2000 calories/day for most folks. Good lord...
Nowhere, does it say or even infer, that you are supposed to eat all of that. You eat enough to get the calories you need...about 2000 calories/day for most folks. Good lord...
It's a miracle that people actually managed to feed themselves and be healthy generations before the government told them what, and how much, to eat.
Nowhere, does it say or even infer, that you are supposed to eat all of that. You eat enough to get the calories you need...about 2000 calories/day for most folks. Good lord...
What does this say to you.
You should have 4 servings of fruit a day 3 servings of grain 3 of fish/meat/fowl (compined not each) 4-5 servings of veg's. etc etc. DAILY. now go to the same groups serving sizes GOOD LORD.
or do you only pick and choose what these dept. put as daily servings/amouts. cause that isn't what it states. and never has.
sorry 4-5 servings of vegs isn't 4-5 grean beans. good lord. 2-3 servings of meat isn't 2-3 bites of a steak. good lord.
but looks like you've got a new buddy that will agree to whatever you post as long as it isn't agree'n with me. good night.
I am 200 lbs square. Just turned 47. I cook 95% of the food that my family eats. I am physically active in work and play. I have an abnormally healthy libido. Not throughout my entire life, but most of my being has been spent with health in mind.
Point being is that health care starts at home. It was not taught by most of our parents so it became up to the individual to take care of themselves. I admit to not always taking the best care, but for quite some time now I have been steadfast. It absolutely shows and feels great to be in my skin. All of us can make steps toward health. It starts t home.
Taken within the month...
I need to stand more upright at times.
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Oooh! We're posting pictures of ourselves! Haha...
This was me juts before I joined Pennocks (21 years ago):
This was me 11 years ago (on the left):
This was me a little over a year ago:
I will tell you, I've gained 10 pounds since that picture. It's hard keeping weight off when you're around TexMex and steaks and all kinds of fattening stuff. It really gets hard to keep weight off when you're older... seriously.
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It's a miracle that people actually managed to feed themselves and be healthy generations before the government told them what, and how much, to eat.
And that's a huge problem. Honestly... when you're young... even well into your mid 20s, most people can just eat whatever they want and... as long as they're active, it doesn't gain / not really unhealthy. But when you grow up basically being able to eat whatever you want, it really starts to affect you as you get older and your metabolism slows down. At ~40, I really have to be conscious of what I eat.
No more can I just go to Burger King and get one of everything and put it away. I have to eat salads most days of the week if I want to eat like it's 1999 on the weekend.
And that's a huge problem. Honestly... when you're young... even well into your mid 20s, most people can just eat whatever they want and... as long as they're active, it doesn't gain / not really unhealthy. But when you grow up basically being able to eat whatever you want, it really starts to affect you as you get older and your metabolism slows down. At ~40, I really have to be conscious of what I eat.
No more can I just go to Burger King and get one of everything and put it away. I have to eat salads most days of the week if I want to eat like it's 1999 on the weekend.
The equation is very simple. If you want to lose weight then you have to burn more calories than you take in. The inverse of that equation is just as simple.
Barring any physical abnormality or illness that is true for anyone and has been throughout human history.
There are NO "miracle diets" or routines other than common sense and self discipline.
On average, normal, active adults do begin to burn approx. 150 fewer calories a day after their 20s
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The equation is very simple. If you want to lose weight then you have to burn more calories than you take in. The inverse of that equation is just as simple.
Barring any physical abnormality or illness that is true for anyone and has been throughout human history.
There are NO "miracle diets" or routines other than common sense and self discipline.
On average, normal, active adults do begin to burn approx. 150 fewer calories a day after their 20s
I mean, I've mostly figured this out by trial and error, as you can see I'm not huge. But that said, it's more than just that. Cholesterol, blood pressure, etc... it's all things that you also have to factor in other than just how many calories you burn in a day. I'm simply stating that if food has never been an issue for you before as in... it's not something you've ever thought about... when it suddenly DOES become an issue, you have to recognize it and then start taking steps to make sure it doesn't get out of control.
I did every sport imaginable through middle school, and then in high school I ran track two seasons out of the year. About 8-9 miles a day. When I was in high school, I'd go to McDonalds regularly and literally eat three double quarter pounder w/ cheese value meals, super sized with a diet coke (hah, yeah, diet) after track practice. I'd waive the other two diet cokes cause I didn't need them, but I'd eat all three cheeseburgers and all the fries. Usually with different sauces and everything. THEN... when I was done, I'd go home and eat whatever it was my mom was making for dinner (which was usually really good). I had significant leg muscles, but everywhere else I was skin and bones.
When I graduated from high school, I continued to eat like this, but *completely* stopped working out. Beer, pizza, almost every night. I stayed really thin for another year, and then quickly realized I needed to not eat so much... I'm a computer guy... so I don't get the exercise that I should.
My blood pressure is good, and my cholesterol is *fair*. I basically have to limit my red meat intake to once a week, while I eat fish and chicken the rest of the time. I also won't eat potato chips in any significant quantity, pastries, that kind of stuff.
I wish I could go to Golden Corrall and just pig out... but as I've figured out, life doesn't work that way.
My blood pressure is good, and my cholesterol is *fair*. I basically have to limit my red meat intake to once a week, while I eat fish and chicken the rest of the time. I also won't eat potato chips in any significant quantity, pastries, that kind of stuff.
I wish I could go to Golden Corrall and just pig out... but as I've figured out, life doesn't work that way.
Todd, I'm 66 years old and I pretty much eat whatever I want, just not as much anymore. I weigh 22 more pounds now, (208), than when I left the Army well over 30 years ago. My cholesterol is low and my blood pressure is always 120 / 80 when they measure it at the VA. I even make "bets" with the practitioners there what it will be and they seem incredulous until they take the reading and then I tell them to look at my history and they see that it's always the same within 1-2 points (usually lower). My blood sugar has been creeping up a bit lately, but still on the high end of normal range, so the Dr. suggested that I back off some of my carbs a little and my late night snacking. I have never used drugs and I don't drink alcohol except on rare social occasions. I stopped smoking cigarettes over 20 years ago but I will smoke a good cigar (or three or four), when I'm in the Caribbean and I can get fresh Cuban or Dominican ones.
I've never had a "sweet tooth" so I generally don't eat desserts, candy or sugary "junk" at all but I like an occasional bowl of good ice cream. My father had the same general health as I do and so did his father. We all have had the same eating habits so, valid or not, I tend to attribute a bit to genetics as well as habit.
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I sometimes try to focus on eating things that are healthy for me, (even regardless of my burning of calories rate) and not so much just losing or gaining weight as I don't always see those things as the same thing.
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Todd, I'm 66 years old and I pretty much eat whatever I want, just not as much anymore. I weigh 22 more pounds now, (208), than when I left the Army well over 30 years ago. My cholesterol is low and my blood pressure is always 120 / 80 when they measure it at the VA. I even make "bets" with the practitioners there what it will be and they seem incredulous until they take the reading and then I tell them to look at my history and they see that it's always the same within 1-2 points (usually lower). My blood sugar has been creeping up a bit lately, but still on the high end of normal range, so the Dr. suggested that I back off some of my carbs a little and my late night snacking. I have never used drugs and I don't drink alcohol except on rare social occasions. I stopped smoking cigarettes over 20 years ago but I will smoke a good cigar (or three or four), when I'm in the Caribbean and I can get fresh Cuban or Dominican ones.
I've never had a "sweet tooth" so I generally don't eat desserts, candy or sugary "junk" at all but I like an occasional bowl of good ice cream. My father had the same general health as I do and so did his father. We all have had the same eating habits so, valid or not, I tend to attribute a bit to genetics as well as habit.
I have no excuse... I just know I like to put away a good steak and cheeseburger!
I don't want to make it sound like if I eat one cheeseburger, it's all over for me. But I just can't eat like I did when I was in my 20s. I'm a desk and keyboard jockey most days, and I just don't get the exercise that I should.
I'd think , that was the min. sunlight you'd want to have daily to get some vid. D but you know. I used that photo of the servings/etc because of the statement to the right of it. I even on my worst day. don't eat even 1/3 to 1/2 of the listed servings and I'm 2250ls ish. with a high of 310.
And my job isn't a desk job. I'm lifting, moving, walking the whole 10 hour shifts. full time. 2 5-10 mile bike rides a week
And when I work the races. they are 15-16 hours shifts of walking /running around. Just for giggles the last n.h.m.s. race. I had put a speedo/ with odom. on the bike. and the overnight riding around the garages/ infield, drivers motorcoach lot. etc it was 14-18 miles a night.
The calories in, calories out is a farce. I gained 90 lb. from the time I started the meds the doctors put me on. until I said phuck this and went to a different doctor. I didn't eat any more than I did when I was 210-220 lb. and was eating healthier than I was when I was that weight. same jobs' same work. same labor. yet gained 90 lb. ya, anyone that claims the calories in calories out b/s I just walk away from.
The equation is very simple. If you want to lose weight then you have to burn more calories than you take in. The inverse of that equation is just as simple.
Barring any physical abnormality or illness that is true for anyone and has been throughout human history.
There are NO "miracle diets" or routines other than common sense and self discipline.
On average, normal, active adults do begin to burn approx. 150 fewer calories a day after their 20s
my job isn't a desk job. I'm lifting, moving, walking the whole 10 hour shifts. full time. I ride my bike 2) 5-10 mile bike rides a week
And when I work the races. they are 15-16 hours shifts of walking /running around. Just for giggles the last n.h.m.s. race. I had put a speedo/ with odom. on the bike. and the overnight riding around the garages/ infield, drivers motorcoach lot. etc it was 14-18 miles a night.
The calories in, calories out is a farce. I gained 90 lb. from the time I started the meds the doctors put me on. until I said phuck this and went to a different doctor. I didn't eat any more than I did when I was 210-220 lb. and was eating healthier than I was when I was that weight. same jobs' same work. same labor. yet gained 90 lb. ya, anyone that claims the calories in calories out b/s I just walk away from.
figured you'd go to the standard b/s line
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Please, for the good of man, do NOT listen to health advice from Marcus. Or advice on the English language.
We have visual on evidence in this very thread. Post yours Marcus.
Getting hit by Marcus in a lot of threads today. That is just how some folks roll. And, if'n you are weighing 310, it is not the fault of a Dr. Interesting listening in on a guy that feeds off of his own lies. Proven lies, yet here he is? Keep talking Marcus.
I gained 90 lb. from the time I started the meds the doctors put me on... I didn't eat any more than I did when I was 210-220 lb. and was eating healthier than I was when I was that weight. same jobs' same work. same labor. yet gained 90 lb.
I'm not sure where the anger comes from from others here, or why they cant just be civil. My two cents is that the medication seems to be what may have caused your weight gain in this case.
Please, for the good of man, do NOT listen to health advice from Marcus. Or advice on the English language.
We have visual on evidence in this very thread. Post yours Marcus.
Getting hit by Marcus in a lot of threads today. That is just how some folks roll. And, if'n you are weighing 310, it is not the fault of a Dr. Interesting listening in on a guy that feeds off of his own lies. Proven lies, yet here he is? Keep talking Marcus.
Another know it all doctor. funny the only thing that changed was the meds. before meds 210-220. while taking the meds ballooned to 310 ish after being weened off meds, slowly dropping the lb's. nothing else changed, other than the meds. but you know more than the doctors and specialist, that had me stop the meds, and such. guess you missed your calling of being a quack.
There are a lot of potential causes for that sort of weight gain. Certain antipsychotics and antidepressants can cause pretty savage water retention. If you talk to a doctor about it and it's medication induced they might prescribe something like hydrochlorothiazide to shed some of the excess water, or recommend a high protein/fat low carbohydrate/sugar diet as it can help shed water weight. If you do start losing a lot of water weight you will probably need to add magnesium sulfate, potassium, and sodium to make up for the lost electrolytes or you risk leg cramping, headaches, and heart palpitations. Don't do this stuff on your own though, talk to a doctor. Nobody on a website or blog is a substitute for an actual medical professional and diagnostic testing. Weight gain like that, if not triggered by dietary changes or excess caloric intake could be a sign of a lot of potential issues.
A good place to start is with a food journal, or a phone app to *honestly* track your calories. Many people tend to underestimate their caloric consumption by something like 20%, a food journal or calorie tracker can be a real eye opener.
I cannot emphasize this enough though, talk to a professional. Unattributed weight gain could be an indicator of a serious condition. If you are diabetic, in renal failure, etc. you really want to know that as soon as possible. Talking to a doctor early and finding out you're fine is much preferred to speaking to one for palliative care when it's too late. Personally, one of the things that caused me some weight issues when I was younger was growing up with huge portion sizes and a parental insistence that I always clean my plate before leaving the table.
I did try the vegan thing at one point (was dating a vegan girl - gorgeous but nuttier than a squirrel turd) and decided I liked burgers and steak more than I liked her. I... admire the willpower of people that can stay on something so restrictive, but personally I don't care about living longer if I am miserable the whole time.
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Another know it all doctor. funny the only thing that changed was the meds. before meds 210-220. while taking the meds ballooned to 310 ish after being weened off meds, slowly dropping the lb's. nothing else changed, other than the meds. but you know more than the doctors and specialist, that had me stop the meds, and such. guess you missed your calling of being a quack.
Personally, one of the things that caused me some weight issues when I was younger was growing up with huge portion sizes and a parental insistence that I always clean my plate before leaving the table.
I agree with this whole heartedly..the portion control part. Stomach can hold way more calories than we need and too often, too much of it is converted to fat and stored and that's when we find ourselves having to burn off fat instead of carbs.
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... admire the willpower of people that can stay on something so restrictive, but personally I don't care about living longer if I am miserable the whole time.
I agree with this as well. Everyone starts talking about "quality of life" when one of their friends or loved ones is in their last stages and are beginning to think about what to do if a debilitating event takes place, but quality of life should be addressed our whole lives. I want my life to be what I want it to be, not what someone on tv or in a dietican's book says it should be. If I go their route, then I'm not living MY life, I'm living theirs. There is a difference between 'living' and just being alive. I'm not suggesting anyone be completely stupid, but there is room for enjoyment in life without complete sacrifice. "This is how we die...the little things we deny ourselves"
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I agree with this as well. Everyone starts talking about "quality of life" when one of their friends or loved ones is in their last stages and are beginning to think about what to do if a debilitating event takes place, but quality of life should be addressed our whole lives. I want my life to be what I want it to be, not what someone on tv or in a dietican's book says it should be. If I go their route, then I'm not living MY life, I'm living theirs. There is a difference between 'living' and just being alive. I'm not suggesting anyone be completely stupid, but there is room for enjoyment in life without complete sacrifice. "This is how we die...the little things we deny ourselves"
Again, AMEN!
I have worked with and lived around people who have quite literally punished themselves every day with every health fad, diet and "miracle cure" that comes along. All with the same vain goal, "To live a little longer", "To live a little better". They all also had another thing in common. They were absolutely miserable, unhappy people who spent a lot of time trying to tell everyone how "great" they felt while their misery was so evident in the constant obsession and talking about their own health and every malady imaginable from a hang nail to a malignant brain tumor.
The proper term is HYPOCHONDRIA, and whether their obsession manifests as great or small, it is my firm belief that is precisely their real affliction.
I have long ago ceased to be amazed at the silly, stupid and dangerous things that people will rationalize as a result of their own fear or ignorance.
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I have worked with and lived around people who have quite literally punished themselves every day with every health fad, diet and "miracle cure" that comes along. All with the same vain goal, "To live a little longer", "To live a little better". They all also had another thing in common. They were absolutely miserable, unhappy people who spent a lot of time trying to tell everyone how "great" they felt while their misery was so evident in the constant obsession and talking about their own health and every malady imaginable from a hang nail to a malignant brain tumor.
The proper term is HYPOCHONDRIA, and whether their obsession manifests as great or small, it is my firm belief that is precisely their real affliction.
I have long ago ceased to be amazed at the silly, stupid and dangerous things that people will rationalize as a result of their own fear or ignorance.
To be really clear, I'm not trying to argue with anyone, I'm enjoying the conversation. It's good to see different perspectives on subjects and to discuss those perspectives openly.
You can't completely discount anomalous biological differences though, some people (for example) really can't process gluten (rare, much more rare than the number of people that just claim it but don't know what celiac is), some people are insulin intolerant but not quite diabetic, etc. I think (opinion) a lot of the problems with fad diets is everyone treats them as a quick solution to a problem that developed over time. A "diet" vs a "change of diet" is something people do not understand. Some people *do* gain weight even at a caloric deficit, sometimes it's just a dietary incompatibility causing water retention, etc. - but frequently those people are either not being honest with themselves, or they're not tracking their *actual* intake vs. their *perceived* intake. I read a study a while back that indicated people very consistently underestimated their intake by substantial margin (20-30%). I work in a data-driven field, so I am biased, but I think absolutely anyone can benefit from simply tracking things. You don't "know" something until you can quantify it. A food journal, a phone app, etc. - you can't make data-driven decisions without the data. The first step is always to get clean data, then plan what to do based on that data.
Always, always, always start by gathering data, track input vs. output, and if an *honest* accounting of outputting more energy than you take in is not resulting in weight loss, then there's a benefit to getting checked by a doctor.
One thing that causes some issues with our modern diets is the use of corn syrup as a replacement for sugar - it isn't that harmful in and of itself, but it sweetens without satiety. This is observable when you drink something like a mexican bottled coke. If you drink a bottle of mexican coke, it's nice and sweet (because of real sugar) and afterwards it's very satisfying, often no need for another. With corn syrup, it tastes sweet, but it doesn't provide satiety so you might feel a pull to grab another. And another. And another. Since it provides the same insulin response as sugar you get the negative effects, but you also keep craving it. Soda's not great for you, I'm sure we all know that, but almost anything is ok in moderation. The problem with the corn syrup is it makes satiety (your body's mechanism for self-moderation) an unreliable indicator of intake. Again, that can be mitigated via tracking your intake as an analog for or supplement to your body's natural satiety. That being said, the real-sugar mexican coke (and, RIP, the old "Dublin" Dr. Pepper) are/were amazing and I wish they were the standard instead of the exception.
Side note: I refer to "mexican coke" as where I am located, it's the only "real sugar" coke option without corn syrup - there may be other options available elsewhere. If you're going to drink soda/pop, give the real sugar stuff a whirl - it tastes better and might just be healthier . I used to be able to get gray market dublin dr. pepper from texas but I believe they were finally closed down or otherwise restricted from selling their cane sugar dr. pepper outside of dublin, texas.
All of this being said - don't crack down too hard on people that are looking to try a diet - at the end of the day they are taking steps to try to improve themselves, and that, at the very least, is worth a little bit of respect. They might be doing it wrong, but they're at least trying. I can never fault someone for trying to do something positive.
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I used to be able to get gray market dublin dr. pepper from texas but I believe they were finally closed down or otherwise restricted from selling their cane sugar dr. pepper outside of dublin, texas.
There was a lawsuit wherein DBC was accused of selling their real sugar Dr Pepper outside their franchise area. DBC lost and since they couldn't stay afloat NOT selling DP just in their area, economics (and threat of yet another lawsuit) forced them to drop Dr Pepper altogether, selling their rights to Dr Pepper to Snapple. (They were originally sued by the Snapple/DR franchise in Plano Tx that was loosing market share to DBC.) DBC is still making soda tho..just different pure sugar flavors. Root beer for instance and it is really really good. I don't remember which others but you can buy them thru Amazon or thru Dublin Bottling Co's website http://www.dublin1891.com/category-s/143.htm
Originally posted by Tony Kania: I posted a pic of actual results. Where is yours?
Oh, why yes, let me post more photo's for you and your tag team blow hard to tool on. BRB <rolls eyes> phuck you. you only want to tool on me and my size ,more than you already have. Yes yes let me post more ammo for you. you must think everyone is stupid.
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Oh, why yes, let me post more photo's for you and your tag team blow hard to tool on. BRB <rolls eyes> phuck you. you only want to tool on me and my size ,more than you already have. Yes yes let me post more ammo for you. you must think everyone is stupid.
I think no one is stupid up until the point that they prove otherwise.
Enjoy your day. Just forget about little old me. K?
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. I used to be able to get gray market dublin dr. pepper from texas but I believe they were finally closed down or otherwise restricted from selling their cane sugar dr. pepper outside of dublin, texas.
