13-14 I was listening to Madonna, Depeche Mode, Duran Duran, Run DMC, Michael Jackson and several other rap/pop/nuwave/hiphop artists. I listened to a little of the 80's hair bands but not much. I tried. I really did. But I couldn't appreciate it really until I got older. Now I can listen tot he songs and enjoy them but they don't hold the same draw to me that rap/pop/nuwave/hiphop does. It's the same way with classical, big band and jazz. I can enjoy listening to them and appreciate them, but I always go back to the others. I think I am finally starting to feel that disconnect with the modern creations in those genres though. The morph into mumble rap has lost me and I've started looking for music of my preferred styles from other countries. Like this Canadian rapper for example.
Wow, I never really understood "Rap" (yeah, I'm a grumpy old geezer), but that video made me realize something: it's kind of like the "Beat Poetry" of the 1950s. It's still not for me (neither is Beat Poetry), but now I think I get it. Thanks!
I don't think there is a direct corollary for my age group.
When I was 13, I was mostly listening to Steppenwolf, Creedence, and Crosby Stills and Nash. I remained a fan of "Album Rock" up into my 30s and beyond. I started following New Wave when Disco came along (I absolutely hated Disco) up through and including the Beastie Boys. To this day, I still listen to mostly "album rock", to include 60s through 90s, but have grown an appreciation for some of the other stuff that I ignored the first time. (For example, I was never a real fan of the Isley Brothers, although I do acknowledge that they made good music. With that said, I particularly like Ernie Isley. He seems to have a harder edge to him, than his brothers.)
But, I respect any musician who is a master of his/her art. It takes talent.
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This was my introduction to "Ernie Isley" as opposed to "The Isley Brothers". This was from Letterman, in 1990. I immediately went out and bought the CD.
The guy in the video has a good point. However, the video he's referencing (the other guy talking about how modern pop music sucks) also has some good points. Regardless of how you feel about music nowadays, the fact remains that music producers DO use dynamic compression and loudness much more heavily than in the past. And I don't think anybody even bothers with channel separation anymore. So the sound quality of the recordings suffers. But nobody cares about that, because most people listen to music on the crappy little speakers (or crappy little headphones) on their handheld devices anyway.
The guy in the video has a good point. However, the video he's referencing (the other guy talking about how modern pop music sucks) also has some good points. Regardless of how you feel about music nowadays, the fact remains that music producers DO use dynamic compression and loudness much more heavily than in the past. And I don't think anybody even bothers with channel separation anymore. So the sound quality of the recordings suffers. But nobody cares about that, because most people listen to music on the crappy little speakers (or crappy little headphones) on their handheld devices anyway.
I agree, both videos are valid. I am a big fan of Adam Neely’s videos and though I haven’t seen much of “Thoughty2”, I had seen the video in question before.
The current state of Pop music and what passes for Country music (Pop stars with hats) is absolutely abysmal. It is an industry and they know what sells.
Although there is fresh, creative music still being made, it just doesn’t get the exposure it deserves. Check out “King Gizzard and the Lizard Wizard” and “The Woohoo Revue” (both from Australia) and of course, Samantha Fish. I am always looking for something new, which is a big part of why I post threads like this.
I can trace the eventual expansion of my musical tastes directly back to two bands that I heard in my later teens, “Dan Hicks and the Hot Licks” and “Asleep at the Wheel”. They led me beyond Hard Rock, through Swing, Jazz and traditional Country and Western music to an endless world of possibilities.
When was the last time you heard a fiddle and pedal steel on the radio? For that matter, when was the last time you saw a pedal steel player who wasn't eligible for medicare? (excluding Robert Randolph)
One of my all time favorite songs:
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What he is saying is the first music you first hear is imprinted upon your brain and becomes the music you consider the best. That's reductionistic in the sense all my statements, if they condemn modern pop music, are only deeply rooted in my old age, and adolescent brain. Well, that makes it impossible for me ever say anything critical about today's music even if there is a tiny of bit of truth to it. You can immediately reply, "Well, its become you're old!"
I still feel that I have some objectivity, and am capable of making observations outside my adolescence. Am I allowed to make any criticism of today's music? I feel I am.
There are many reasons why music was just better back then, both lyrically and musically.
Wow, I never really understood "Rap" (yeah, I'm a grumpy old geezer), but that video made me realize something: it's kind of like the "Beat Poetry" of the 1950s. It's still not for me (neither is Beat Poetry), but now I think I get it. Thanks!
I don't think there is a direct corollary for my age group.
It wouldn't surprise me if it had part of it's roots in that. While people who don't follow rap may not know, many rappers have been referred to as "Ghetto Poets". Realistically, that is what they are doing in effect. Speaking poetry over a beat. Part of what makes a good rapper is their ability to ride the beat and switch up their flow as they do it. Like the video I linked, he has a laid back flow in parts of it then speeds his flow up for the impact, then slows it back down to bring you back to the more sincere emotional parts of the rap. The other part is what they rap about, where I am drawn to the stuff like above. Yeah I can hype out to the more mainstream car on 24's with a candy paint job and my girl flippin the cops off while countin my dough stuff. But i crave a more emotional and relevant song.
Still, as I said before, I do love me some jazz from time to time as well. I have Guns N Roses in my playlist, Journey, a bunch of 50's. 60's and 70's songs my dad got me hooked on. I don't even know the artist, but I know the song when it rotates through. The ONE kind of music I generally dislike is Country. That doesn't mean I don't like it at all. Some of it I do. On the whole though? I don't care about the achy breaky family tradition ya'll have doing the boot scoot boogie. Maybe that's because growing up that's what my parents listened to the most. Maybe my journey in to rap was the one way I rebelled, since I didn't really any other way?
True. Generalities that label seem intended to be the "shocker style" news of the day. Fear not, they are forgotten soon after.
For me though I do realize I am most attached to music from my teen years. It only makes sense. I don't think its a problem really. Could be annoying when we become old enough that none of the music from those years is played on the radio anymore, or in stores, or at gas stations. But these days who needs FM anyway? There is satellite radio, youtube, streaming channels etc. Our own cooies. But I do hope those things don't keep older folks from being exposed to newer music. Sometimes we might get pleasantly surprised.
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What he is saying is the first music you first hear is imprinted upon your brain and becomes the music you consider the best. That's reductionistic in the sense all my statements, if they condemn modern pop music, are only deeply rooted in my old age, and adolescent brain.
I think he was trying to describe nostalgia, in a very roundabout way. I also get the impression that video was a sort of "passive aggressive rant" against nostalgia.
Adam Neely’s videos are generally less about culture than about music theory and composition. I think this video is an attempt to provide a wider perspective, and thus free one from the bounds of inherent bias. I see it as psychological insight.
I am certainly critical of some music, but less so of specific genres. What I abhor is banality.
This song used to make me want to take a sledge hammer to the radio:
I can imagine that someone in their early twenties would see it differently. They might also think the music that I posted above is just noise.
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Generally my let down is when the lyrics go to the dark side or are nasty on a song I would otherwise enjoy.
I have found a few youtubers who make instrumentals out of songs. That's been handy. Plus on some songs I appreciate the instruments more when the singer is gone.
I generally dont care for 95% of music these days. That 5% is oldies and some pop. Rap...or anything like it...is just crap...as far as im concerned. I might go a month without even turning a car radio on, and then its mostly talk radio. I dont even have a home radio other than a clock.
Wow! A lot of interesting songs and videos. I’ll definitely review and rehear, everything will help in a hoower. This is a cool program for downloading music, videos, pictures.
