Hmmm, well had I been asked that question, I would have said those who have served. But I'm pretty sure that won't fly here.
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No it won't and I fully support that 'won't' part. Many people spend their entire lives 'serving' this country at great risk every day and never carried a weapon or wore a military uniform, AND, a great many of those who did wear a military uniform never owned a sq inch of property while they were in uniform. The guys that fix the power lines when my electricity goes out and the nurses that care for me and people with deadly & often communicable diseases are an integral part of this nation. They've earned their right to vote and/or carry arms just as much as I have. I'm no more/better an American than anyone else. I do NOT believe in '2nd class' citizens and neither does the Constitution I took an oath to uphold and protect.
With each progressive generation we have increasingly become insulated from the core values that we established and held dear as a nation. It's a difficult conversation to have, such as saying, "I had to walk two miles to and from school everyday." Kids laugh of the absurdity, and yet we have worked so hard so they can have, and never have to, walk that far for something. In our efforts to keep them safe, comfort them, and shield them from the pains of life, we have inadvertently created a generation of naïve, egotistical, and arrogant deserving children. They will soon be adults. This is no mystery, but what is the solution?
The answer is not what we expected, wanted, but what is needed.
No it won't and I fully support that 'won't' part. Many people spend their entire lives 'serving' this country at great risk every day and never carried a weapon or wore a military uniform, AND, a great many of those who did wear a military uniform never owned a sq inch of property while they were in uniform. The guys that fix the power lines when my electricity goes out and the nurses that care for me and people with deadly & often communicable diseases are an integral part of this nation. They've earned their right to vote and/or carry arms just as much as I have. I'm no more/better an American than anyone else. I do NOT believe in '2nd class' citizens and neither does the Constitution I took an oath to uphold and protect.
I did not suggest how a citizen could serve but, I got the response I expected. Most take their rights for granted and do not appreciate the sacrifice others have given to acquire and preserve those rights.
[QUOTE]Originally posted by olejoedad: Emma Gonzalez is the child of Cuban immigrants. Perhaps it's not as conspiratorial as it is made out to be.....
In an ironic twist, he parents migrated here when Fidel Castro seized all guns and outlawed them.
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Originally posted by olejoedad: cliffw....
"Some people" is what the conversation should be about.
- adjudicated as mentally unfit? ✓ - violent felon? ✓ - under the influence? ✓ - habitual substance abuse? ✓
Good points worthy of discussion. MidEngineManiac covered it well enough.
I might add even a guy under the influence might have a need for self protection. I know for a fact most hunters do a lot of drinking (judging by the many extra patrons at the local taverns and the purchases they make at the grocery stores). Also mental health issues reported to the government opens a whole new can of worms, not to mention violates HIPPA rights.
Renters do not directly pay property taxes--the landlords do. Renters have ZERO ties to their community. Usually renters treat the house, property, and neighborhood like a garbage pit, then move on, often leaving the house full of trash. Think about it. Renters have no financial responsibility for where they live. There is no personal investment, other than perhaps a security deposit. Why do you think property values go down as renters go up in an area?
By definition, renters are not permanent residents. They are transients. If you stay in a hotel somewhere, should you be allowed to vote there?
These are the people who leave trash in their wake, who usually end up getting evicted, who smear poop on the walls in public restrooms. You want them to vote? No wonder section 8 keeps expanding.
Do not misunderstand. I am not lumping all renters into the same category. I used to be a renter, myself. Now I am a permanent resident. I take problems in my neighborhood seriously. Click to show
I am a renter. I am a business owner. Our townhouse is absolutely immaculate. I am not section 8. I have never taken a government handout. I have been an active member of my community my entire life no matter where I have lived. We are not transients. We vote.
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Well, what do you know. That teenage activist Hogg, wasn't even at the school during the shooting. He just rode his bike from home to the school after he heard about it so he could do interviews and such. Go to 4:22 of this recording to hear him state that.
Originally posted by MadMark: Well, what do you know. That teenage activist Hogg, wasn't even at the school during the shooting. He just rode his bike from home to the school after he heard about it so he could do interviews and such. Go to 4:22 of this recording to hear him state that.
Is there a perception that the young Hogg (technically, a "weaner") has been deceptive on this point?
Is there a perception that he has tended to present himself as having been present on the campus during the entire crime, or overlapping with the time interval during which the actual crime occurred?
I've been skipping over this part of the news coverage, preferring to experience the salacious undercurrent that accompanies the legal maneuvering related to Non-Disclosure Agreements, and the spy novel-like intrigue of the Special Counsel's investigations.
Is there a perception that the young Hogg (technically, a "weaner") has been deceptive on this point?
Is there a perception that he has tended to present himself as having been present on the campus during the entire crime, or overlapping with the time interval during which the actual crime occurred?
I've been skipping over this part of the news coverage, preferring to experience the salacious undercurrent that accompanies the legal maneuvering related to Non-Disclosure Agreements, and the spy novel-like intrigue of the Special Counsel's investigations.
So you've been paying attention to a nothing burger and ignoring the Big Mac?
I guess that was Too Much Information, on my part.
I have not followed the March For Our Lives movement or any (hardly) of the news reports about it.
I have been aware of this Hogg fellow.
Does the fact that he was not on campus during the shooting (or at least, not there when the shooting started) detract from his status or legitimacy as an advocate or interlocutor for the groups and individuals that want to Plus Up on firearms-related legislation and other government-involved projects and programs that are conceived with the ideas of improving gun safety and reducing the number of criminal homicides and injuries from actions that involve privately owned firearms across the country?
I am looking at this from "10,000 feet."
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Study the Constitution and you'll have your answer.
I am honestly unclear on the answer. The 1st doesn't cover everything, as I am sure you are aware. Violence would almost have to be enacted to confiscate arms from lawful owners, and I believe it to be in the realm of possibility that gun confiscation will be successfully lobbied. .
Leaving trash and blocking streets and sidewalks in protest is counter-productive. I'm surprised that they didn't provide for clean up or that they left that trash to begin with.
Al Sharpton's brother indicted on murder by gun 36 hours after being a speaker at the #metoo rally.
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Local community activist Rev. Kenneth Sharpton Glasgow faces a capital charge stemming from a Sunday night fatal shooting due to Alabama’s aiding and abetting law.
Dothan Police Chief Steve Parrish said investigators do not believe Glasgow fired the shots that killed 23-year-old Breunia Jennings of Dothan, but believe Glasgow was the driver of the vehicle used in the commission of the murder. That makes him culpable to the same capital murder charge that 26-year-old Jamie Townes, the alleged gunman, faces under the complicity section of Alabama’s code, Parrish added.
Parrish said officials conferred with District Attorney Pat Jones’ office before his department filed the charge against Glasgow.
Under Alabama Code 13A-2-23, “a person is legally accountable for the behavior of another constituting a criminal act if, with the intent to promote or assist the commission of the offense (1) he procures, induces, or causes such other person to commit the offense; or (2) he aids or abets such other person in committing the offense; or (3) having a legal duty to prevent the commission of the offense, he fails to make an effort he is legally required to make.”
In a press conference Monday afternoon, Parrish said it appears Jennings stole Townes’ vehicle. Townes got into Glasgow’s vehicle, and the two followed Jennings while she drove.
Townes fired several shots into the vehicle Jennings drove, he said, striking her in the head. She later died from her injuries.
Dothan First elaborates.
“Man, that’s a brand new car,” Reverend Kenneth Sharpton Glasgow told a bystander as he was escorted over to a Dothan Police Department vehicle Sunday night.
The car he was referencing was a 2018 Toyota Camry that was in the middle of a murder crime scene at the intersection of Lake Street and Allen Road. Glasgow indicated to the bystander that the Camry belonged to him, and the vehicle may have had damage from gunshots.
Glasgow, 52, wasn’t wearing handcuffs, but he did ride in the backseat of the DPD vehicle away from the scene.
“We were ducked down in the car while it was happening,” Glasgow continued.
Later in the night, the Camry would be just one of many problems for Glasgow. The same man who led a march against gun violence just 36 hours before was being charged for capital murder in a case featuring some of the worst gun violence Dothan has seen in months.
The murder victim, 23-year-old Breunia Jennings, was in a wrecked Chevrolet Monte Carlo SS that had significant damage. The vehicle’s back window was shot out leaving glass all over the intersection. Just feet away was Glasgow’s Camry.
He indicated he was a witness to the crime, and according to Dothan Police on Monday he played a major role in orchestrating it as well.
More coverage will be shared on DothanFirst.com and on WDHN News broadcasts. There are more charges in the murder case.
Reverend Kenneth Sharpton Glasgow is the brother of well known activist Reverend Al Sharpton. Click to show
SO....The "big march" this weekend ended up with only approx. 25% of the 800k attendees that the leftists claimed.
It seems as though the "astroturf" of using kids to push their gun grabbing isn't as deep as they would like us all to believe. "More than 200,000 people attended the March for Our Lives demonstration in Washington D.C. on Saturday, according to Digital Design & Imaging Service Inc (DDIS). The Virginia-based firm uses a proprietary method for calculating crowd size using aerial photos.
The peak crowd size was 202,796 people, with a margin of error of 15 percent, the firm said. The crowd reached its largest size at 1 p.m., according to the company's estimates.
The organizers put the total number of attendees at closer to 800,000." (...of course they did. They didn't think anyone else was counting...)
Leaving trash and blocking streets and sidewalks in protest is counter-productive. I'm surprised that they didn't provide for clean up or that they left that trash to begin with.
It is pretty low and despicable for someone to BARGE in like that and then RUN AWAY and LEAVE THE MESS for somebody to clean up isn't it?
Originally posted by dennis_6: Do people have a right to advocate, the abolishment of natural rights belonging to others? Should that be a felonious act?
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Originally posted by maryjane: Study the Constitution and you'll have your answer.
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Originally posted by dennis_6: I am honestly unclear on the answer. The 1st doesn't cover everything, as I am sure you are aware.
Allow me to clear that up for you. You answered your own question.
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Originally posted by dennis_6: ... advocate the abolishment of natural rights belonging to others?.
How 'bouts I advocate the abolishment of your natural right to breathe air ?
Does the First Amendment, Freedom of Speech, allow me to make it happen ? By killing you. To voice my displeasure in anybody wanting to take my natural rights away.
Who would you advocate to ? God himself ?
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Originally posted by olejoedad: So you've been paying attention to a nothing burger and ignoring the Big Mac?
Funny stuff right there, .
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Originally posted by rinselberg: Does the fact that he was not on campus during the shooting (or at least, not there when the shooting started) detract from his status or legitimacy as an advocate or interlocutor for the groups and individuals that want to Plus Up on firearms-related legislation and other government-involved projects and programs that are conceived with the ideas of improving gun safety and reducing the number of criminal homicides and injuries from actions that involve privately owned firearms across the country?
Now, that is a run on sentence if I ever saw one. I am going to give you double points because it was a question.
The answer to your question ... . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . No.
Have you ever heard of stolen valor ?
Hogg is just another Lady Gaga, more like a want to be. He has his gig going and he is riding it. His fifteen minutes of fame will soon be up and he will not be in any kind of a history book.
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Originally posted by dratts: Leaving trash and blocking streets and sidewalks in protest is counter-productive.
You think that they left the trash "in protest" ?
Seriously ?
Those are the people who want to run our nation.
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Hogg is just another Lady Gaga, more like a want to be. He has his gig going and he is riding it. His fifteen minutes of fame will soon be up and he will not be in any kind of a history book.
Actually the little Hogg is the new Cindy Shehan.
Remember that nut case?
The latest "Hogg wash" will be over sooner than Cindy was once he has outlived his usefulness to the leftists.
His "sell by date" is the next mass shooting, at which point he becomes much less relevant as a useful "victim" / "survivor" prop to trot out.
You misunderstand me. I didn't mean to imply that the trash was a form of protest. I was saying that if you want to protest, don't leave trash. Unless you want to make people angry with you instead of supporting your cause. It is counter productive. Goes against whatever you are trying to accomplish. You're not the first person to take something I said the wrong way. Probably due to my lack of communication skill.
Originally posted by dratts: You misunderstand me. You're not the first person to take something I said the wrong way. Probably due to my lack of communication skill.
It's all good. You cleared it up.
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Originally posted by dratts: Leaving trash and blocking streets and sidewalks in protest while protesting is counter-productive.
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All these 'kids' are just supporting the fact they are all growing up to be morons. Like the media and liberals they will never understand, no matter HOW MANY times we say it, that guns are NOT the problem. Criminals and looneys dont care about laws...no matter how many thousands of gun laws they make. They will get and use a gun somehow...or use another means...to do what they want. These kids demand change and its real simple. The BIGGEST common denominator in every school shooting is the shooter is either a/ mentally ill, or b/bullied, teased or otherwise mistreated by THEIR FELLOW STUDENTS. If they didnt do this behavior in the first place they wouldnt pizz off the target kid till they snap and decide to do something to them to get even. So to me...its mostly ON THE STUDENTS THEMSELVES, and their parents incompetent raising, that they are not safe in their schools. Like the saying goes, poke a bear with a stick often enough they will poke back. They want to stop being shot just stop bullying the ones not in their little clique or those they feel are inferior to them to the point they want to kill someone. Trying to force new gun laws wont do crap, no matter how many more you make. IF they want to get you they can just pull a fire alarm and mow down hundreds on the sidewalks outside with a hot wired school bus. They dont have to have a gun.
Originally posted by randye: Actually the little Hogg is the new Cindy Shehan.
Remember that nut case?
The latest "Hogg wash" will be over sooner than Cindy was once he has outlived his usefulness to the leftists.
Yeah, Cindy SheMan, a more apt comparison.
Do you remember Sandra Fluke ? The rich biatch going to an Ivy league college who wanted us to pay for her birth control. I think she ran, tried to run for State congress, (or was it National Congress ?)
I think SheMan did also. I expect Hogg to do the same. His slogan ? "Vote For Boss Hogg".
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Originally posted by dratts: Leaving trash and blocking streets and sidewalks in protest is counter-productive. I'm surprised that they didn't provide for clean up or that they left that trash to begin with.
I am not. Typical leftist behavior. It happens after every leftist rally.
Funny stuff right there Mr Kania. Hmm ... I wish I could make videos like that. Think of the fun I could have. All the topics I could put in his mouth. Think of the embarrassment I could cause for that piglet.
I always loved these ...
Hitlers reaction to Donald Trump winning the election ?
Heh ... Ozzy Osborn and Lita Ford made a great duet song and others have done the same.
If I could make one of those videos, ... , I would include SheMan, Fluke, Hogg, the list of leftist nutjobs is endless
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