“The most insidious part of this gentrification process is that alternative food initiatives work against the community activists and residents who first mobilized to fight environmental injustices and provide these amenities but have significantly less political and economic clout than developers and real estate professionals,” the academics write.
Just who are these academics? It seems as if anyone can write a long drawn out sentence. That makes it important.
Farmer's Markets normalizes white people behavior? As if that is a bad thing?
Should we normalize ghetto culture behavior?
There is such thing as good behavior and bad behavior and good culture and bad culture.
Just because you are different or take pride in your race, but don't exhibit good behavior nor you are brought up in a good culture doesn't mean we are racist. We don't have to accept bad behavior nor bad cultures in our society.
The men claim that negative externalities of “white habitus” formed at farmers’ markets can be managed through “inclusive steps that balance new initiatives and neighborhood stability to make cities ‘just green enough.’”
It looks like Jeremiah Wright has been taking creative writing lessons from rinselberg.
I wouldn't bet good money on either one, especially seeing as how they are both stark raving leftists.
Random thoughts: They are both in the geography department. Isn't this a sociology subject? She (?) teaches a class called "Community-based Geographic Research: Food Justice". Food Justice? What the hell is that? Is that like when Sheriff Joe used to serve green bologna with bread and water?
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Geeze man, that was more research into the nonsense article than I'd ever thought to do. I just wrote it, the news source, and the book off as fictional.
I don't know what race they are speaking about specifically... Soul food isn't healthy be default, which is what most farmer's markets are promoting. Other countries native food isn't part of what is easily sustainable here, which is another focus of farmer's markets.
I don't go often. Does this make me less racist? Maybe it is more racist, because I do enjoy them. Though I usually don't buy anything because I think they are over priced (the ones I've seen at least). Where do I land?
Well, since you don't go full time (stuff is grown all 4 seasons) that probably makes you land as 'hobby racist' kinda like the other side of the spectrum being (according to IRS rules and regs) a hobby farmer.
and yes, most of the produce at a FM IS way over priced, but that's what all food would be priced like if the all natural, gluten free, non-GMO, antibiotic free, growth enhancement free, chemical free, herbicide free, pesticide free, free ranged, 100% certified organic, folks had their way.
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Originally posted by ls3mach: Soul food isn't healthy
It can be, depending on how you fix it. Most people add a lot of junk to it because they really don't like it. I love good cornbread (not the cake-like yankee cornbread), collard greens and blackeyed peas just the way they are, and they are plenty nutritious. They don't need a lot of extra crap added.
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I don't know what race they are speaking about specifically... Soul food isn't healthy be default, which is what most farmer's markets are promoting. Other countries native food isn't part of what is easily sustainable here, which is another focus of farmer's markets.
Farmers markets depend greatly on where you live.
In South Florida, it's all coconuts, bananas, sugar cane, papayas, stuff like that.
Here in San Antonio, it's all peppers, yams, prickly pear, onions, etc.
I suspect in Alabama it's got a lot of peaches and other stuff.
The two of them have also written several other piles of manure, all of them apparently dealing with, (variously), socialism, racism, inequality, unfairness, ....I could go on, but you get the picture.
(follow the link to Bosco's CV that's buried in the link williegoat provided)
Note that the supposed "racism" that they cry about is always coupled with economics.
Both of them are "Marxist, grievance pimps". They make a living from promoting and selling jealousy, hate and division.
That is always a popular "product" to sell in universities these days.
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"Farmers Markets.....are racist." ???? In the west... Got the wrong term that I saw... Class problems in West cost in some places. I been only to see a couple... mostly "craft made" high dollar products and fresh veg etc costing close to or ever higher then most retail stores. And that was way before some places shot up housing prices and rents.
"Farmers Markets.....are racist." elsewhere ??? Any one that's been to Cow Town in South NJ and others on east coast knows is 100% in many areas. depending on market... Many vendors are Chinese Blacks Mexican and other "minorities" selling almost everything and price range from a few cents to $200-500 for normal items and foods.
Reading Terminal Market in Philly and others like them pretend to be a "Farmers Market" is anything but. Nice to find things can't get at many big stores but you often pay a lot too. Many vendors has been there for Decades often in Buildings have big problems and often you don't save money buying anything. What RTM have is all local News media and Advertising Budget to push the hype so much better then retail and have this way before Whole Foods et al made "organic = better" bs. How? Simple. RTM and their Vendors rake in Millions of $ each year. Is or has gotten money from City State and likely Feds too because it's on Historic and other lists.
------------------ Dr. Ian Malcolm: Yeah, but your scientists were so preoccupied with whether or not they could, they didn't stop to think if they should. (Jurassic Park)
Holy balls. This article was a topic of discussion on my local right wing radio station this morning. I only caught the tail end of the broadcast, but they were making great fun of the whole notion. Didn't talk on it too much as their last caller wanted to QQ about the war on Christmas. The 2 or 3 people I told thought it was a laugh riot.
I've been to farmers' markets in Atlanta and Birmingham. There were black, white, hispanic, and Asian vendors and shoppers. I bought peanuts from a Mexican and tomatoes from an Asian and they did not care that I am white because their favorite color was the green I was handing over.
I've been to farmers' markets in Atlanta and Birmingham. There were black, white, hispanic, and Asian vendors and shoppers. I bought peanuts from a Mexican and tomatoes from an Asian and they did not care that I am white because their favorite color was the green I was handing over.
True here as well, but the writers aren't saying the sellers are racist, they are saying the whole premise of a FM is .
Its very easy to keep tabs on this. Just regard EVERYTHING as being racist and your covered. Thats what liberal think. I heard something else being racist last week and laughed my azz off. I cant even remember what it was...french fries or ice cream or some other stupid thing...
On a side note, if you have any kind of contact with any other human being, your also sexually harassing whoever it was.
Consider this a pro-forma objection (meaning I don't much care about it, one way or the other) but if I had created this as a New Topic, I would have used the Politics checkbox.
Liberals. Oh, we overused that name-call, nobody even registers it anymore. Leftists... yeah, same thing. Marxists. Progressives. Libtards. Libs. All words that have been used up. Their value as name-call currencies diminished by the hyperinflation of manic overuse; diminished to just about zero.
I know... Snowflakes. Take that out of the freezer and use it, instead.
What's next, after Snowflakes has been worn out? Cirrus Clouds? That has kind of an airy, substance-less ring to it. If someone's a Cirrus Cloud, they must be kissing close to an Air Head. Why not "Air Head"..? Too old-school? Too generic? Doesn't track with the Universal Left-Right Yardstick of the Tree of Knowledge?
I get unsolicited but friendly Private Messages from time to time, from Pennock's members who used to message here a lot, but have mostly or entirely given it up. Their identities, a closely guarded secret, but here's one that materialized in my Inbox just a couple or three weeks ago:
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Boy, who are the snowflakes now?
This Farmer's Market thread, maybe not "so much", in terms of what that Private Message was referring to, as you follow this discussion, and let all that was messaged here in Reply blunt the rigidly doctrinaire "taste" of the very first post. Apparently, the guy that sent me that Private Message was looking at some other discussion thread, but exactly which one--I think that is best not dragged into this discussion.
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Consider this a pro-forma objection (meaning I don't much care about it, one way or the other) but if I had created this as a New Topic, I would have used the Politics checkbox.
Liberals. Oh, we overused that name-call, nobody even registers it anymore. Leftists... yeah, same thing. Marxists. Progressives. Libtards. Libs. All words that have been used up. Their value as name-call currencies diminished by the hyperinflation of manic overuse; diminished to just about zero.
I know... Snowflakes. Take that out of the freezer and use it, instead.
What's next, after Snowflakes has been worn out? Cirrus Clouds? That has kind of an airy, substance-less ring to it. If someone's a Cirrus Cloud, they must be kissing close to an Air Head. Why not "Air Head"..? Too old-school? Too generic? Doesn't track with the Universal Left-Right Yardstick of the Tree of Knowledge?
I get unsolicited but friendly Private Messages from time to time, from Pennock's members who used to message here a lot, but have mostly or entirely given it up. Their identities, a closely guarded secret, but here's one that materialized in my Inbox just a couple or three weeks ago: This Farmer's Market thread, maybe not "so much", in terms of what that Private Message was referring to, as you follow this discussion, and let all that was messaged here in Reply blunt the rigidly doctrinaire "taste" of the very first post. Apparently, the guy that sent me that Private Message was looking at some other discussion thread, but exactly which one--I think that is best not dragged into this discussion.
My wife runs the farmer's market for a local farmer here on the Eastern Shore during the summer months when the local town is overrun with vacationing white liberal elites from DC and NY.
At his farm stand where the black local folks shop asparagus sells for $4.00 a bunch. At the farmer's market in town the same bunch sells for $7.00.
Reverse racism or just good business practice?
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My wife runs the farmer's market for a local farmer here on the Eastern Shore during the summer months when the local town is overrun with vacationing white liberal elites from DC and NY.
At his farm stand where the black local folks shop asparagus sells for $4.00 a bunch. At the farmer's market in town the same bunch sells for $7.00.
Reverse racism or just good business practice?
Pandering to the elite white privileged upper economic class......while lining their own capitalistic pockets. Robber barons of the asparagus fields. They should be sharing at no cost, like good socialists...all their produce with the proletariat....and your wife, as a willing participant is facilitating this economic rape of the poor underclass.
Originally posted by RayOtton: At his farm stand where the black local folks shop asparagus sells for $4.00 a bunch. At the farmer's market in town the same bunch sells for $7.00.
Reverse racism or just good business practice?
Often Neither.
In many areas you make money in volume sold w/ each item generating very little. Profit for many things are pennies to a dime or three per item at best. (I'll ignore yard selling and storage wars types for the moment. Just food etc sold at normal stores. Ignoring also Many things "on sale" are "loss leaders" and store is hoping to god you will buy other things at full price.)
In stores chains... Many things are imported and cost far less to start. The asparagus you mention at many stores are grown in South America countries. If "in season" and can get locally... Chains still buys 10s to 100s thousands of bushels per month. Overhead, union labor and other things jack the price then add few cents profit. In fresh food, meat, other areas you pay for spoilage for even item doesn't sell. You also pay for shoplifting. POS stole food/meat, TV, etc? You pay for them too.
At many FMs... For Local growers deal w/ selling a few Bushels per month and deal w/ FM rents etc but also cost more to make/grow, for diesel and tractors, transport to/from FM, and more. US Fed State and other Taxes and Gov Fees. Like many have to pay tolls or burn more fuel to if there's a "back road" to get there for many markets in/near Philly NYC etc. (Vehicle Classes and Tolls charge for a class are online for Bridges etc.) PA and NJ have raise fuel taxes in the last few years and PA Fuel Taxes is now #4 for highest rates the US. But Note that Many FM stores/stands buy same produce as normal small stores... IOW Buy from local warehouses not local growers. So Never assume FM = local foods.
Milk and Eggs are Gov Regulated and price you pay is mostly set by Feds and/or States. Most everything else price is set grower/maker and market. Example: If you have a permanent store/stand... Many FM and other markets like malls and shopping centers you rent space by square foot and they get premium price for it. "FM" Malls et al can get a % of profits too. (Is part of why most Malls don't have Arcades now.)
At Private Farm/Garden Stands... Many sell cheap because can't/won't count most of thing if sold at FM. Farm Labor alone cost money but many only see money at stands as pure profit. Asparagus doesn't need a lot of work but many still don't count labor hours. (asparagus patches I seen can take over space by itself and doesn't much weeding.) So Private Stands are not the real money maker for them to pay for most things on a Farm or trying to get some returns maybe even some profit selling produce for a garden.
I had gardens in the past and selling asparagus etc a $4 is just a way to reduce money spent to have the garden. Often can't sell even give away food fast enough to prevent rotting in many areas in the US. Many Food Banks don't deal w/ gardens even produce in general because only can handle "dry goods" means cans boxes and bags. Big operations only deal w/ large companies that donate foods and have refers to handle produce, frozen meat, etc.
Well, a lot of that simply isn't true and I don't know where you get your info from.
I'm not going to go through it line by line, I'll just pick out the most erroneous statement and refute it with personal observation.
Asparagus growing is extremely labor intensive.
The planting of the roots is laborious and tedious. True, there isn't a lot of tending to do as the plants are pretty good at shouldering out the weeds. However they do need to be sprayed for beetles and fungus and it must be done with a back pack sprayer or you will crush the spears.
And then there's the picking. Nothing mechanical, just back breaking, knee damaging, dirty, manual work in cold early spring weather.
Then there's the sorting and bundling. Wet, dirty, manually done with a nice portion of Repetitive Stress syndrome thrown in.
My wife loves all of it since she's a natural "dirty girl" but it's tough work and because of her I know WAY more about farming than I really wanted to know
It's good because I have a new appreciation for what those people do. We owe 'em everything and it's disingenuous to suggest that ANY of it is easy.
Anyone wants to debate this further I'll put her on here. She's really quite sweet.
Well, a lot of that simply isn't true and I don't know where you get your info from.
I'm not going to go through it line by line, I'll just pick out the most erroneous statement and refute it with personal observation.
Asparagus growing is extremely labor intensive.
The planting of the roots is laborious and tedious. True, there isn't a lot of tending to do as the plants are pretty good at shouldering out the weeds. However they do need to be sprayed for beetles and fungus and it must be done with a back pack sprayer or you will crush the spears.
And then there's the picking. Nothing mechanical, just back breaking, knee damaging, dirty, manual work in cold early spring weather.
Then there's the sorting and bundling. Wet, dirty, manually done with a nice portion of Repetitive Stress syndrome thrown in.
My wife loves all of it since she's a natural "dirty girl" but it's tough work and because of her I know WAY more about farming than I really wanted to know
It's good because I have a new appreciation for what those people do. We owe 'em everything and it's disingenuous to suggest that ANY of it is easy.
Anyone wants to debate this further I'll put her on here. She's really quite sweet.
Really.
I just want to add that I really like asparagus, especially with lemon juice.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I just want to add that I really like asparagus, especially with lemon juice.
I like asparagus too and it wasn't something I had ever had until a handful of years ago. I have never paid these proposed $4-7 a bundle though. I'll just go buy more meat for that cost.
Medium temperature, large covered frying pan. Two to four teaspoons light olive oil. Heavy pepper and light salt to taste. 20 minutes covered and rolled often. Last several minutes turn up heat to medium high plus to begin browning and adding crispness. Add 1/3ish cup parmesan. Remove from heat and place onto plate for serving. Lightly cover in additional parmesan to taste. Enjoy.
I too never enjoyed asparagus until about ten years ago. So tasty. It grows along the Spokane river, and I see it a lot while mountain biking.
Cook asparagus on the grill with a little olive oil and garlic salt. Put it in a fish basket so it's easy to handle and cover the tips with foil so they don't burn.
But Note that Many FM stores/stands buy same produce as normal small stores... IOW Buy from local warehouses not local growers. So Never assume FM = local foods.
I've seen this happen at 'roadside stands' quite often, especially regarding peaches in NE Texas.
I also see it at the weekly summer-fall flea markets around here--there's always a produce section, but most of it is brought up from The Rio Grande Valley or from just across the border, but then too, is a great deal of the produce you see in the retail chain stores.
Milk..
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Milk and Eggs are Gov Regulated and price you pay is mostly set by Feds and/or States.
One of the few farm commodities that is so regulated, with the govt setting the floor price by buying excess production if the price drops below a certain benchmark and of course maintains stringent quality and safety guidelines. That benchmark is the Boston Mass market price, and irt changes from month to month. Milk, being such a vital staple in young growth of our children, and bought by the millions of tons (yes, wholesale bulk milk is bought and sold by weight..per 100 lbs/CWT..not gallon..it's only on the resale level that we buy it by volume) gets consideration from the govt that other ag commodities do not. The govt has the same price support for cheese. Even within this price support tho, there is volatility and the floor price is triggered by the market price (supply vs demand) of dairy products.
Eggs..not so much. Quality controls certainly, but price supports are almost non-existent. (I rarely buy eggs from a store since several people nearby have their own chickens and sell or even give me eggs every week.)
in many areas.
