Would like to know and see pictures of your Fiero. Seriously, that would help me know and believe that you have an actual interest in this community. So far, I can't find anything you've posted that isn't socially related.
Just for informational purposes, I've owned 19 different Fieros, all were 88s, all were notchbacks. 21 Fieros if you count the ones I've owned more than once.
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Or does it only count when news sources you don't like are doing it?
REALLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! You use graphs of government numbers that even they fudge.. eneployeed, they only count you if you are on the unemployment tit, if not you don't count..
and you use snopes as a source.. Oh, look a liberal used a liberal biased fact checking site.. your weak.
Would like to know and see pictures of your Fiero. Seriously, that would help me know and believe that you have an actual interest in this community. So far, I can't find anything you've posted that isn't socially related.
Just for informational purposes, I've owned 19 different Fieros, all were 88s, all were notchbacks. 21 Fieros if you count the once I've owned more than once.
I love how you guys just can't possibly believe there are people who disagree with you in this country. Do you guys live under a rock? The majority of the country voted against your interests in 2016, not with them.
I don't think there needs to be any personal attacks or doubting motivation to show what is wrong with the viewpoints expressed in many left leaning political posts. It only takes reality. I welcome differing opinions.
I love how you guys just can't possibly believe there are people who disagree with you in this country. Do you guys live under a rock? The majority of the country voted against your interests in 2016, not with them.
emmmm, well, I supposed president Hillary Clinton would agree with you -
Meanwhile back in THIS universe -
Look, you can hang on to the fantasy that the Democrat's have a "hidden mandate" based on the popular vote if you like. The thing is, Mr. Trump won the way ALL the presidents have won, with the most electoral college votes.
They tell me you are a school teacher. If so, you know you can't prove a negative, meaning that we can't know how the popular vote would have gone if that were the way we picked the president. Mr. Trump would have run a much different campaign in that case. One that appealed to the minority conservative voters in places like NY and CA. As it was, he appealed to the voters where it made a difference while Hillary ran up the score where it didn't.
I suggest you let it all go. The popular vote thing, the Russian thing and the RESIST!!! thing and focus on 2018, 'cuz that ain't shapin' up too good for your side.
Now as to your continued victimhood rants when you get push back in post after post, I refer you to your ratings bar on the left. Oh wait, you don't HAVE a ratings bar.
In fact, the guy with the worst rating bar around here is a conservative.
Guess we're not as intolerant as your masters say we are.
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Would like to know and see pictures of your Fiero. Seriously, that would help me know and believe that you have an actual interest in this community. So far, I can't find anything you've posted that isn't socially related.
Just for informational purposes, I've owned 19 different Fieros, all were 88s, all were notchbacks. 21 Fieros if you count the once I've owned more than once.
E.Furgal--is that you?
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Its an essential foundation of our truly messed up democracy(lol). Well said.
Why would you say this? "truly messed up democracy" ??
I'm truly offended by this. As far as I'm concerned, the US Constitution is one of the greatest documents in all of man-kind, and I mean that with true sincerity. It is the longest-lasting official record of governance, and the ONLY document that I'm aware of which distinctly states that laws are dictated by the governed, not the other way around. IE: the Constitution tells the GOVERNMENT what it's allowed to do, as dictated by the people.
And for Christ's sake, it's not a Democracy, it's a true Republic with Democratically elected representatives.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Why would you say this? "truly messed up democracy" ??
I'm truly offended by this. As far as I'm concerned, the US Constitution is one of the greatest documents in all of man-kind, and I mean that with true sincerity. It is the longest-lasting official record of governance, and the ONLY document that I'm aware of which distinctly states that laws are dictated by the governed, not the other way around. IE: the Constitution tells the GOVERNMENT what it's allowed to do, as dictated by the people.
And for Christ's sake, it's not a Democracy, it's a true Republic with Democratically elected representatives.
Tho I truly love our Constituion and insist we live by it and stand behind it, I have to disagree with the underlined part. The ancient Code of Hammurabi, and the set of Roman laws known as the Lex Duodecim Tabularum, (the Twelve Tables) which was followed much later by a second code known as the Corpus luris Civillus (Justinian Code) were in effect for well over a 1000 years. They stated what society at that time could do as well as what govt could not do. And, let us not forget the importance and longevity of that little thing called Magna Carta...
Tho I truly love our Constituion and insist we live by it and stand behind it, I have to disagree with the underlined part. The ancient Code of Hammurabi, and the set of Roman laws known as the Lex Duodecim Tabularum, (the Twelve Tables) which was followed much later by a second code known as the Corpus luris Civillus (Justinian Code) were in effect for well over a 1000 years. They stated what society at that time could do as well as what govt could not do. And, let us not forget the importance and longevity of that little thing called Magna Carta...
Hahah... Magna Carta. Yeah, I remember that from middle school.
I've been corrected before on this, but I should say more properly... "oldest currently in use" constitution. The Magna Carta in my opinion, is far more similar to the Declaration of Independence than it is any kind of official governing document.
And incidentally, there are many Constitutions around the world, including in Europe and Australia, who's Constitutions and governing documents were written using the US Constitution as a template or example.
I love how you guys just can't possibly believe there are people who disagree with you in this country. Do you guys live under a rock? The majority of the country voted against your interests in 2016, not with them.
Hmmm........... Well, my query in reference to you actually being interested in the Fiero community and whether or not you actually were involved with a Fiero was driven because I had never seen you post in anything but social topics. This was my first request, you already responded to the second request. I'm happy that you have a Fiero and based on the picture I saw, a pretty nice ride.
Concerning what "we" believe, I assure you, "we" fully understand the numbers of all those who have received payment for Democrat votes without actually earning or paying back the help that was given.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: Why would you say this? "truly messed up democracy" ??
I'm truly offended by this. As far as I'm concerned, the US Constitution is one of the greatest documents in all of man-kind, and I mean that with true sincerity. It is the longest-lasting official record of governance, and the ONLY document that I'm aware of which distinctly states that laws are dictated by the governed, not the other way around. IE: the Constitution tells the GOVERNMENT what it's allowed to do, as dictated by the people.
And for Christ's sake, it's not a Democracy, it's a true Republic with Democratically elected representatives.
The thing that makes the constitution such an amazing document its ability to be changed.
Our system needs massive overhaul that becomes more apparent as time goes on. We do too much to protect special interests, and we don't accurately represent our population. Between Gerrymandering and the Electoral college, rural voters are dramatically over-represented in this country. It is insane that because someone lives in Wyoming or Vermont their vote literally counts for more than someone who lives in California or Texas. Its also undemocratic that politicians gerrymander the hell out of districts to ensure safe elections.
Look at North Carolina's 12th
or Florida's 5th
We really need a better system.
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The thing that makes the constitution such an amazing document its ability to be changed.
Our system needs massive overhaul that becomes more apparent as time goes on.
SNIP
We really need a better system.
That pendulum swings back and forth, when the Dems had full control of Congress and the Executive Branch, such statements were never uttered by folks on your side of the aisle. It'll swing back. Just hold yer breath............ ------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun.... Open your frigg'n minds, think about all the other tools that can be made into WMDs.
I sincerely hope that life is never discovered on another planet because, sure as hell Progressives and Socialists will want to send them money.
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Is this thread about voting now? Someone is not playing nice. That, and the picture is obviously too big. One would know this if they would proof read.
The thing that makes the constitution such an amazing document its ability to be changed.
Our system needs massive overhaul that becomes more apparent as time goes on. We do too much to protect special interests, and we don't accurately represent our population. Between Gerrymandering and the Electoral college, rural voters are dramatically over-represented in this country. It is insane that because someone lives in Wyoming or Vermont their vote literally counts for more than someone who lives in California or Texas. Its also undemocratic that politicians gerrymander the hell out of districts to ensure safe elections.
We really need a better system.
I could not disagree with you more. You only say that because your candidate lost. But the electoral college did exactly what it was supposed to do, and exactly what it was designed for... so that the MAJORITY of states, do not get rail-roaded by one or two heavily populated states. As far as I'm concerned, it worked perfectly fine:
The thing that makes the constitution such an amazing document its ability to be changed.
Our system needs massive overhaul that becomes more apparent as time goes on. We do too much to protect special interests, and we don't accurately represent our population. Between Gerrymandering and the Electoral college, rural voters are dramatically over-represented in this country. It is insane that because someone lives in Wyoming or Vermont their vote literally counts for more than someone who lives in California or Texas. Its also undemocratic that politicians gerrymander the hell out of districts to ensure safe elections.
Not that you said it did but the red color is misleading since red is typically associated with Republicans. Florida's 5th district is more receptive to Democrat candidates.
The thing that makes the constitution such an amazing document its ability to be changed.
Our system needs massive overhaul that becomes more apparent as time goes on. We do too much to protect special interests, and we don't accurately represent our population. Between Gerrymandering and the Electoral college,
rural voters are dramatically over-represented in this country.
It is insane that because someone lives in Wyoming or Vermont their vote literally counts for more than someone who lives in California or Texas. Its also undemocratic that politicians gerrymander the hell out of districts to ensure safe elections.
We really need a better system.
You are without a doubt the single DUMBEST person I have seen on this forum.
Anyone with even a basic high school level knowledge of American civics knows better than the absolute nonsense and LIES you spew.
Wyoming and Vermont each have a 3 electoral college votes
California has 55
Texas has 38
EVERY SINGLE STATE has 2 members of the United States Senate.
EVERY SINGLE STATE has a number of members of the United States House of Representatives proportionate to their *population*.
It's becoming more and more obvious that your claim of being a "teacher" is just another one of your transparent lies.
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You are without a doubt the single DUMBEST person I have seen on this forum.
Anyone with even a basic high school level knowledge of American civics knows better than the absolute nonsense and LIES you spew.
Wyoming and Vermont each have a 3 electoral college votes
California has 55
Texas has 38
EVERY SINGLE STATE has 2 members of the United States Senate.
EVERY SINGLE STATE has a number of members of the United States House of Representatives proportionate to their *population*.
It's becoming more and more obvious that your claim of being a "teacher" is just another one of your transparent lies.
Population of Wyoming = 585,000 585,000/3 is 195,000 a vote. Population of California =39.25 million 39,250,000/55 is ~713,000 per vote.
One vote in Wyoming is worth more than three California votes.
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Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: I could not disagree with you more. You only say that because your candidate lost. But the electoral college did exactly what it was supposed to do, and exactly what it was designed for... so that the MAJORITY of states, do not get rail-roaded by one or two heavily populated states. As far as I'm concerned, it worked perfectly fine:
Honestly, no I do not. If the electoral college had allowed Hillary to win, I would still preach against it. I have always, and will always rally against it.
It is not right that one person gets more of the vote than another. What is the problem with the largest states making the decisions? After all, they have the most people. Is the core of our country that every person gets a vote or is the core of our country every square mile of land gets a vote. If its the latter, it truly is not a democracy or a republic.
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Not that you said it did but the red color is misleading since red is typically associated with Republicans. Florida's 5th district is more receptive to Democrat candidates.
You know that actually looks bad for republicans, right? I kept the post about gerrymandering non partisan because both sides are terrible about it(dems were really bad in the 60s and 70s).
The way gerrymandering works is that you group your opponents into as small of districts as possible and give your side slim victories. That way your opponent has wasted votes in districts they win in landslides. This is also why its no so much easier to gerrymander against democrats, as they are more likely to live in cities.
Also, sorry about the pictures to everyone. I forgot that I have a stupidly unrealistic high resolution so it looked fine for me.
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One vote in Wyoming is worth more than three California votes.
You are still, without a doubt, the DUMBEST person on this forum.
You live in a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC you dimbulb.
Once more back to basic American civics:
Every state is allocated a number of votes equal to the number of senators and representatives in its U.S. Congressional delegation—two votes for its senators in the U.S. Senate plus a number of votes equal to the number of its members in the U. S. House of Representatives.
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You are still, without a doubt, the DUMBEST person on this forum.
You live in a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC you dimbulb.
Once more back to basic American civics:
Every state is allocated a number of votes equal to the number of senators and representatives in its U.S. Congressional delegation—two votes for its senators in the U.S. Senate plus a number of votes equal to the number of its members in the U. S. House of Representatives.
You are still, without a doubt, the DUMBEST person on this forum.
You live in a REPRESENTATIVE REPUBLIC you dimbulb.
Once more back to basic American civics:
Every state is allocated a number of votes equal to the number of senators and representatives in its U.S. Congressional delegation—two votes for its senators in the U.S. Senate plus a number of votes equal to the number of its members in the U. S. House of Representatives.
I like how you completely ignore the math and facts and continue to call me stupid.
Fact is, your vote counts for more in the smaller states and less in the largest states. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. It is a representative democracy and republic yes, but it is not equally representative.
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Originally posted by Threedog: I like how you completely ignore the math and facts and continue to call me stupid.
Fact is, your vote counts for more in the smaller states and less in the largest states. No ifs, ands, or buts about it. It is a representative democracy and republic yes, but it is not equally representative.
Must be that common core math that is confusing you..
Or the fact that you have zero clue on how the government works and was set up..
And not a lick of outrage over the dem's.. "superdelegates" that have more pull than the reg. ones.. any other talking points you want to show your ass on.
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However, I guarantee that the leftists here will skip over the first 6:29 and latch on to 6:30 where the commentator agrees there are mathematical arguments to be made over the relative weight given to individual votes. Then they will tune out again about 30 seconds later.
Nothing to be done about it other than to ignore them and continue to strengthen the republic as it stands.
I like how you completely ignore the math and facts and continue to call me stupid.
Yes, you are STILL the DUMBEST person on this forum and you keep right on proving it.
EVERY STATE is guaranteed by the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION to have at least ONE member of the United States House of Representatives.
EVERY STATE is guaranteed by the United States Constitution to get electoral college votes equal to the number of it's member of Congress, ( 2 Senators and one for each member of the House = a *minimum* of 3 electoral votes)
You want to talk about math you dimbulb? Ok, fine lets talk mathematics.
I know that this math will be way over your head, so I'll just proffer it here for posterity:
Congressional Apportionment
Each of the 50 states is given its one guaranteed seat in the House of Representatives, (regardless of population), leaving 385 seats to assign.
The remaining seats are allocated one at a time, to the state with the highest priority number. Thus, the 51st seat would go to the most populous state (currently California). The priority number is determined by a formula that is mathematically computed to be the ratio of the state population to the geometric mean of the number of seats it currently holds in the assignment process, n (initially 1), and the number of seats it would hold if the seat were assigned to it, n+1.
According to your moronic "fairness math", otherwise known as mob rule, the states of Wyoming, Montana, North Dakota, South Dakota and Delaware should be stripped of even minimal equitable and fair representation as guaranteed by the United States Constitution.
You don't want "fairness" or "equality" kid. What you really are pissing and moaning about is that you want a guarantee that the majority of states will be subservient to leftist urban population centers who will rule over the rest of the nation.
You even admitted it:
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Originally posted by Threedog:
What is the problem with the largest states making the decisions? After all, they have the most people.
That is commonly called TYRANNY.
It is hard to believe that anyone could possibly be so stupid as to promote such a thing, but then we have YOU as living proof.
You don't have a clue what "undemocratic" is kid, in fact you obviously don't have a clue of how or why the foundation of the government of this nation works.
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Just wanted to mention. I would prefer that well thought out post without all the name calling. Reality alone shuts down the left's agruments, without embellishment.
This is not slander?
Or this?
