quote Originally posted by dobey: We can sit here and argue about it all day and night, and clearly nobody involved is going to be convinced one way or the other, on a car forum.

Oh 'ye of great stupidity, ... this is not a car forum. Carry your azzz back to General Fiero Chat.

quote Originally posted by dobey: The thread isn't about federal law. It's about a specific lease agreement, which the following provision:

Oh 'ye of great stupidity, ... do you practice law ? A lease is legally binding.

quote Originally posted by dobey: "No member or delegate to Congress, or elected official of the Government of the United States or the Government of the District of Columbia, shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease, or to any benefit that may arise therefrom; provided, however, that this provision shall not be construed as extending to any Person who may be a shareholder or other beneficial owner of any publicly held corporation or other entity, if this Lease is for the general benefit of such corporation or other entity."

quote Originally posted by dobey: ...no reason to resort to veer off topic with BS excuses about "the lease was signed before the election"

Was it, or was it not ? What does the law say about someone who comes into office after being admitted to a lease ? Will the government buy him out of his lease, or does he just give it away ?

quote Originally posted by dobey: Trump is an elected official of the Government of the United States, and Trump Organization LLC is not a publicly held entity. In my reading of this provision, and given what evidence is publicly visible, it would seem to me that Trump remains in violation of the lease agreement.

Have you seen the lease agreement ?

quote Originally posted by dobey: There is absolutely no proof of this that has been presented to the public. Show the tax returns, since you apparently have them, otherwise you would have no proof of your statement. Where is the PROOF? The evidence says you are wrong, and making a claim out of blind faith. All evidence presented so far, which has been made visible somehow to the public, suggests that DJT is still "CEO" of The Trump Organization, which is an LLC. I seriously suggest you go learn how the LLC business structure works. It is a privately held business, with flow-through taxation. Which means, unless DJT has actually distanced himself from the businesses (so why is he receiving financial reports on the businesses then, and why are his family members being given positions in government?), he is almost certainly still involved in the business activities of The Trump Organization, and all related businesses. I am still waiting for you to post some links to even a remote shred of evidence which supports your claims. You have not, and will not, do so. All you can do is declare me wrong, and proselytize your blind faith support of DJT on here.

1 - The IRS audit's the president's taxes every year, by law.
2 - The Trump Administration has stated they released ownership into a blind trust. No one of any value has argued that this is true.
3 - The President is ABSOLVED of any business conflicts that might result from any thing previously negotiated prior to becoming president.
4 - The GSA has stated he is IN compliance, and everything is ok.


The one screaming the Earth is flat, is you.

quote Originally posted by 82-T/A [At Work]: 1 - The IRS audit's the president's taxes every year, by law. 2 - The Trump Administration has stated they released ownership into a blind trust. No one of any value has argued that this is true. 3 - The President is ABSOLVED of any business conflicts that might result from any thing previously negotiated prior to becoming president. 4 - The GSA has stated he is IN compliance, and everything is ok. The one screaming the Earth is flat, is you.

Let's add:

Assuming for the moment that dopey quoted the actual contract, he gets hung up on the first part of the provision and either purposely ignores or, (more likely), doesn't understand the 2nd part of the provision. Namely:

"No member or delegate to Congress, or elected official of the Government of the United States or the Government of the District of Columbia, shall be admitted to any share or part of this Lease, or to any benefit that may arise therefrom;

provided, however, that this provision shall not be construed as extending to any Person who may be a shareholder or other beneficial owner of any publicly held corporation or other entity, if this Lease is for the general benefit of such corporation or other entity."

That is plausibly why the GSA made it's determination in President Trump's favor.

Additionally, it's a simple civil lease contract. It has nothing to do with any "conflicts of interest", which The President is specifically exempt from by federal law under 18 USC § 208

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