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Elio Motors’ Future Looks Doubtful - $100,000 In The Bank And A $123 Million Deficit by FrugalFiero
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http://jalopnik.com/elio-mo...00-in-the-1790947889

Elio Motors, the company that keeps delaying its three-wheeler street car with a price so cheap it’s almost too good to be true, may never get one of those cars on the market. If that doesn’t come as a surprise to you, this may: Elio says it has about $100,000 in the bank and an over $123 million deficit.

That’s correct. Elio’s total deficit is well over a thousand times the amount of money it has in the bank. According to a recent U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission filing sifted out by Shreveport, Louisiana news outlet KTBS, the company had $101,317 in the bank and $123,212,431 in accumulated deficit as of Sept. 30, 2016. That, according to the filing, is compared to $6,870,044 in cash and a deficit of $2,325,036 as of Dec. 31, 2015.

Founded in 2009 after CEO Paul Elio “saw the soaring costs of the vehicles” people drive on a daily basis, Elio set out to provide a small, three-wheeled car advertised as getting up to 84 miles per gallon. There were questions about Elio and its viability from the beginning, and that really hasn’t changed—but the price of its car has. Originally boasted as the $6,800 car, Elio’s three-wheeler now has a base price of $7,300 under special circumstances.

Elio headed to Louisiana for its operations after eyeing a former Pontiac plant in Michigan, moving its production—or lack thereof—of three-wheelers into an old General Motors factory in Shreveport at the start of 2013. The company said Shreveport production would begin in 2014 and that it would hire 1,500 workers after the area was hit hard by GM layoffs, but Elio’s car had continuous delays and KTBS reports that it has “yet to create a single job or dollar of revenue for the area.”

The delays pushed the car’s release back from 2014 to 2015, 2015 to 2016, and here we are, in 2017, without cars. KTBS reports that a comment made by Elio’s Facebook page said 2018 is now the target date for its car.

But don’t think Elio is holding itself to 2018. Upon reserving a car, which requires a deposit ranging from $400 t0 $900, a customer must agree to these terms and conditions:

While maintaining my present place in line for delivery, I understand that currently there is no definite date set for production or delivery of my vehicle.

Elio says it has 50,000 people with reservations on the three-wheeler, and had to resort to selling its prototype testing models to some of the people waiting.

But Shreveport mayor Cedric Glover thinks they’re waiting for nothing. KTBS reports that Glover said those with a purchased reservation on the car should just count it as money lost. From KTBS:

“Going into the fourth quarter this year, they only had $101,000 in cash on hand. So when you think about the actual amount of money that they’ve been expending, Paul Elio with a salary of over 250 thousand,” said Glover.

According to Glover, much of the blame can be attributed to Racer Trust, the company in charge of putting the GM plant to the best use for the community following the bankruptcy. He said the company had an obligation to bring new jobs to the facility following their bankruptcy, and despite companies like Deacon Air Conditioning and Land Rover vying for the production site, the property rests with Elio.

“If you look at Paul Elio from 2009, certainly by the time you get to 2011 and 2012, it’s clear that what he is in fact is a dreamer and a schemer. It leads one to ask, what was the actual motivation behind committing these facilities, this equipment to Paul Elio and the Elio operation,” said Glover.

Jalopnik has reached out to Elio Motors for comment, and will update if or when we hear back.
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Well color me completely *unsurprised*.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...of_the_United_States

Elio broke several of the "cardinal rules" that I personally hold true for any consumer products, (including those offered here on PFF)

Chief among them are:

1. Never advertise a product for sale until you actually *have* one to sell.

2. Anyone that takes "deposit" or *reservation* money on a product they don't have to sell yet is gambling with YOUR money or is a thief.

2(a). Never make a deposit on a product that doesn't exist yet unless you are satisfied with losing that money.

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Originally posted by randye:

Well color me completely *unsurprised*.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...of_the_United_States

Elio broke several of the "cardinal rules" that I personally hold true for any consumer products, (including those offered here on PFF)

Chief among them are:

1. Never advertise a product for sale until you actually *have* one to sell.

2. Anyone that takes "deposit money" on a product they don't have to sell yet is gambling with YOUR money.

3. Never make a deposit on a product that doesn't exist yet unless you are satisfied with losing that money.



And yet, if you take a business degree or higher-level courses, that is EXACTLY what is taught (or was in 99 anyway)...Get a concept and demo model (these days computer-generated), use THAT to secure orders and take deposits, then use THOSE to get the rest of the capitol from investors or banks.

Its all done with case-study method, meaning they teach the 20 that got away with it and not the 2,000 that fell flat on their face and people got screwed out of deposits....well, apart from the details of what NOT to do while glossing over the failure was likely caused by taking orders and deposits for something that doesnt exist and you have no CLUE as to final cost to produce it.

YUP, its playing with fire and borderline fraud. (BTW, I took my courses at Ivy School of UWO which was at the time and still is one of the most highly regarded business schools on the continent)
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Can't say I'm surprised either. Although I was hoping my hunch was wrong. Good thing I didn't "invest" any money in Elio Motors.
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And yet, if you take a business degree or higher-level courses, that is EXACTLY what is taught (or was in 99 anyway)...Get a concept and demo model (these days computer-generated), use THAT to secure orders and take deposits, then use THOSE to get the rest of the capitol from investors or banks.



A very famous race driver once offered me a poignant observation. He said; "It's easy to be bold with *other* people's machinery, but much harder to be so with your own."

The same holds true for "OPM"
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I really hope they manage to get off the ground and don't end up being another scam.

I also almost put a deposit down for one over Christmas. Decided to wait a few more months.

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Elio is the owner.
I believe the current CEO of Elio is the same James Holden that over saw Chrysler's value drop 80% in the late 90s as Chrysler's CEO before being ousted when Daimler took Chrysler over.

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Many "green" companies are a scam to get money from state and federal gov and many others then go bankrupt or sold.

Like Fiskers, Elio took over a shutdown GM plant that cost state etc allot of money.

Feds recently kill NJ offshore wind farm. Similar people who passed Bluewater offshore wind farm scam in DE. They already got many millions to do little.

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Funny how I really wanted one and would not make the deposit. I need to know that there is a product behind my money, not dreams.
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Fools and their money will soon part..

guess this scam artist got 50000 fools
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I wanted one for my kid. Guess she'll get our Jetta.
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Funny how I really wanted one and would not make the deposit. I need to know that there is a product behind my money, not dreams.


Same here. This news makes me sad but does not really surprise me.
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Fools and their money will soon part..

guess this scam artist got 50000 fools


What do you think that says about the 300,000 people that gave tesla a deposit for the it-hasn't-even-been-designed-yet model 3?

And I really think elio bit off way more than they could chew when they opted to develope their own power train.
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What do you think that says about the 300,000 people that gave tesla a deposit for the it-hasn't-even-been-designed-yet model 3?

And I really think elio bit off way more than they could chew when they opted to develope their own power train.


forget them.. what about all the tax payers footing the tesla bills..
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What do you think that says about the 300,000 people that gave tesla a deposit for the it-hasn't-even-been-designed-yet model 3?

And I really think elio bit off way more than they could chew when they opted to develope their own power train.


Unlike Elio however, Tesla has produced two models of cars in current production, as well as the battery for your home.

You can go into many big cities and actually touch a real Tesla car in private hands, try that with an Elio.
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Unlike Elio however, Tesla has produced two models of cars in current production, as well as the battery for your home.

You can go into many big cities and actually touch a real Tesla car in private hands, try that with an Elio.
Doesn't matter much. Any who deposit $ for new model should be able to gamble And Safely Lose It because Tesla can be sold overnight or go bankrupt with little to no warning.

Fisker's had Karma and was delivered to buyers then they Recall the batteries and A123 battery co went bankrupt then Fisker soon went bust too after losing $30 Million worth of cars after Sandy hit N NJ. Insurance paid the damage but losing 300 cars is hard to swallow for a small new company. Both got bought next to nothing by the Chinese. (Many never believe Fisker's was going to build a second line in DE because of above and other reasons.)
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Where did the millions go? Hookers and blow?
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Originally posted by Wichita:
Where did the millions go? Hookers and blow?
Fisker?
Nut shell version:
Fisker was a game for rich owners to get big money from DOE and others to start yet another "green" company.
Fisker started build Karma and delivered to buyers.
Recall the battery.
A123 had to replace the Recall batteries because their Only Source.
A123 went bust doing so and bankrupt very soon after. (China co bought it to get Patents and other IP.)
Fisker had no other source for batteries and couldn't make car unless find another battery maker.
Fisker flood damage took a lot of inventory that might had bought more time to get battery problem solved.
But Fisker et al took the money they had, declare bankrupt and sold to highest bidder, again china co.

Tesla Co is another plaything of rich kids that can get sold or go bankrupt when they don't get enough money from State and Fed Govmnts or just tired with the toy.
Tesla isn't making a profit and loses money even tho the car is popular for other rich kids.
Why? Elon Musk and others can easily throw away Billions of $ to develop new models or never bother to look at Tesla again. Better for them, Tax codes give them a huge write-off for losing Billions. (This is why Trump and others pay little/no tax after bankrupt, often for many years.)

Elio Motors want(ed) money from state and fed govmnts too. Their pulling same crap that Fisker did in DE to get Boxwood plant for little or nothing but a promise to create jobs. (Fisker did hire a few people to scrap the GM plant in DE but was a very short term.)
Note that Elio claims $38.8 million debt. See http://www.bizjournals.com/...ops-123-million.html

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That's why i didn't order one... i thought they were cool looking and would be a great to and from work car but it was to far fetched, iv been trolling elos posts for the last year aling with a ton of other people, All you see is their coming soon, their coming soon. I see a big class action on their hands.
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Originally posted by Wichita:
Where did the millions go? Hookers and blow?


Employee salary and benefits, Executive retention bonuses, etc?
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