He has (for the most part) a politically opposition opinion in contrast to the opinions of many if not most of the people here, and he isn't shy about stating them.--and why should he be?
We each, according to the preamble of the Declaration of Independence, have an unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The liberty to state our opinion(s) is included in that and further cemented in the First Amendment. He is simply exercising his constitutional rights--rights many of us here have taken an oath to uphold no matter what. True, that the members of this board are not congress, and some will say they can silence (one way or another) any opposition or unpopular view. I'm not of the opinion that this is a good or even fair or desirable practice. He's not being rated-------his opinions, and his tenacity regarding his right to state them are. I do not think that is what the rating system was implemented for. I hold tenacity to be a virtue. He has taken an 'un-popular' stand regarding some issues, but that is how our nation is set up, and always has been--hopefully, always will be.
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He has (for the most part) a politically opposition opinion in contrast to the opinions of many if not most of the people here, and he isn't shy about stating them.--and why should he be?
We each, according to the preamble of the Declaration of Independence, have an unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. The liberty to state our opinion(s) is included in that and further cemented in the First Amendment. He is simply exercising his constitutional rights--rights many of us here have taken an oath to uphold no matter what. True, that the members of this board are not congress, and some will say they can silence (one way or another) any opposition or unpopular view. I'm not of the opinion that this is a good or even fair or desirable practice. He's not being rated-------his opinions, and his tenacity regarding his right to state them are. I do not think that is what the rating system was implemented for. I hold tenacity to be a virtue. He has taken an 'un-popular' stand regarding some issues, but that is how our nation is set up, and always has been--hopefully, always will be.
I don't think that's right Don. Dobey "rarely" posts here in T-O/T. However, if you peruse the Tech and GFC section you will see him at odds with many other posters there where discussions on engine selection or mods get really heated. Personally, I find it saddening that things get so bad there as I have never had any issue with Dobey that I can recall and have him rated positively. I know he thinks I'm crazy for the two 10's I installed in my Fiero when I had it with him being strongly of the opinion that a single 8" is all that's needed, but I never took offense to it. He's knowledgeable when it comes to car audio among other things and I respect that because car audio is one of my "things". It's nice interacting with someone who actually knows about it. But I have seen things get pretty rude outside of T-O/T and am sure many of the people there have negged him. Sad though, I like Dobey. Anyways, I'm going to nudge his arrow and hopefully that will help.
I originally stuck up for him, then he started insinuating that anyone that voted a certain way was less intelligent than him.
He doesn't try to talk to anyone here, he's talking at them, down to them. He certainly rubbed me the wrong way, but I've kept from rating him as of yet.
I think as other members here do, that he's another member that was banned.
I've only had one confrontation with him. Not worth overthinking enough to wish him gone. I just chalk it up to him having a bad day and feeling like his bad day gave him the right to step on the joy of others. Instead, it got worse. I understand his feelings. I felt the same way in 2008, 2012. In 2008 my daughter was born and that was a joy that offset the mood i was in. 2010 my youngest daughter was born - yeah. 2011 diagnosed with cancer- WTF. 2012 going through chemo and obama reelected , not much to be joyfull about. Mid 2012 remission - recovering but Yeah. Oct 2012 relapses - I gona die. 2013 bone marrow stemcell transplant -sucked worse than the tbought of dying. Late 2013 - remission again. 2014 most of the year spent regroweing an immune system and rebuilding myself physically while going through bankruptcy. Late 2014 back to work. 2014-2016 long road and more overtime than I wanted but needed to recover economically. The Presidential Election- Trump wins. Damn straight I'm celebrating. I've just come full circle. And in January, I go back to the doctor and once again spin the roulette wheel of medical testing just to see if I can have the privilage to have some one try an piss on my little bit of joy. Like I said
It was one confrontation but nothing to overthink. Certainly not enough to get a negative from me.
He's not being rated-------his opinions, and his tenacity regarding his right to state them are being rated.
I have not rated him. If I were to, it would be for the way he chooses to make his point. Being a rude jerk off.
My opinions seem to align well with many here and I can be pretty tenacious voicing them. Even my ratings and/or nudge indicator has drifted to the left into the red. I think we all have our own reasons why we rate. I think of ratings like an expresion/free speech.
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Originally posted by Fats: I think as other members here do, that he's another member that was banned.
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Originally posted by newf: Looks like you're soon to be banned Dobey. It's no surprise, many here can't take the medicine they dish out and your opinions clash with theirs.
Yeah, you keep trying to insinuate that I"m someone I'm not. I've not been banned before. Was just pointing out to newf that this isn't the first time my bar has dipped a little more red, or that it's the first time people on this forum can't seem to handle having people disagree with them, or post comments in the same manner they do, especially when they disagree.
You seem to think it's OK for you to be a completely rude jerkoff, but whenever someone who disagrees with you starts to remotely veer toward the attitude you present in your posts, it's the end of the bloody world, and you only dive deeper into your overly defensive name calling and trolling.
Originally posted by dobey: You seem to think it's OK for you to be a completely rude jerkoff, but whenever someone who disagrees with you starts to remotely veer toward the attitude you present in your posts, it's the end of the bloody world, and you only dive deeper into your overly defensive name calling and trolling.
Let me fix that for you.
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Originally heard by cliffw: You seem to think it's OK for dobey to be a completely rude jerkoff, but whenever someone who disagrees with you, starts to remotely veer toward the attitude you present in your posts, it's the end of the bloody world, and you resort to exercising your First Amendment rights.
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Originally posted by dobey: Yeah, you keep trying to insinuate that I"m someone I'm not.
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Originally posted by dobey: And from CNN posted on Twitter:
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Originally posted by dobey: I was just re-stating what was clearly stated in the NY Times article ....
I've got your number. I know what you are. Do you want some more advice ? CNN Twitter opinions, nor the NT Times liberal opinionated reporters hold no sway with me. Nor I doubt many on this board. If you wish to support your beliefs with sources, you are wasting your time with me.
The NY Times, CNN ? Do you believe in Santa Claus ?
Originally posted by cliffw: I've got your number. I know what you are. Do you want some more advice ? CNN Twitter opinions, nor the NT Times liberal opinionated reporters hold no sway with me. Nor I doubt many on this board. If you wish to support your beliefs with sources, you are wasting your time with me.
The NY Times, CNN ? Do you believe in Santa Claus ?
Well I'm sorry that facts don't hold sway with you, nor many on this board. Posting fake news and opinion pieces from conspiracy theory YouTube and Breitbart might secure you in your beliefs, but bullshit is still bullshit. You've made it abundantly clear you only agree with right wing conservative opinions, no matter how much of a lie they are.
But if you're going to be an ******* about your opinions, then I'm going to call you out for being an ******* . And again, you are being an ******* . You just cannot make a post that doesn't attack someone, can you?
I dont recall anything personal with me. I dont neg people who disagree with me. I will with those that constantly say their way or opinion is the only one that counts, and mine is wrong. In most things there are more than one way of anything. One thing I really dislike is people who constantly tell you that your statement is wrong when you have had your own personal experience with it. Another is those who have to have a dozen of what THEY consider a reliable source. You know those that will argue the earth is flat unless you provide them with corroborating evidence and confirmed photos. ie/ perfect example is being told your lying when you talk about Tesla dealers since there are none... when I bought mine at a local one who is one of at least 60. Links and photos shut that down, but shouldnt have to. Being told your lying when they know nothing about it at all, is annoying.
Well I'm sorry that facts don't hold sway with you, nor many on this board. Posting fake news and opinion pieces from conspiracy theory YouTube and Breitbart might secure you in your beliefs, but bullshit is still bullshit. You've made it abundantly clear you only agree with right wing conservative opinions, no matter how much of a lie they are.
But if you're going to be an ******* about your opinions, then I'm going to call you out for being an ******* . And again, you are being an ******* . You just cannot make a post that doesn't attack someone, can you?
Likewise, you've made it clear you only believe in left wing Progressive opinions, no matter how much of a lie they are. You're being as much of a jerk in how you post your opinions as you accuse others. You may feel unjustly targeted for your views, but if you're being a jerk to 10 people it's not unexpected for you to get 10 negatives while you can only give each of them 1 negative and that's not being rated based on your views.
There's plenty of evidence of CNN and the mainstream media fabricating news and being in the DNC's back pocket. It doesn't take much sleuthing when it's obvious for all to see.
(Sorry, I don't post much anymore and just wanted to be part of another thread that will end up in the trach can.)
Personally, I like CRUNCHY PEANUT BUTTER!!!
In reference to this thread and ratings. If you don't like CRUNCHY PEANUT BUTTER, GO POUND SAND!
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun....
When Life throws you a curve, lean into it and roll on that throttle!!
If, you wish to piss off a Conservative, lie to him. If, you wish to piss off a Socialist, Liberal or Progressive, tell them the truth.
Originally posted by Formula88: Likewise, you've made it clear you only believe in left wing Progressive opinions, no matter how much of a lie they are. You're being as much of a jerk in how you post your opinions as you accuse others. You may feel unjustly targeted for your views, but if you're being a jerk to 10 people it's not unexpected for you to get 10 negatives while you can only give each of them 1 negative and that's not being rated based on your views.
There's plenty of evidence of CNN and the mainstream media fabricating news and being in the DNC's back pocket. It doesn't take much sleuthing when it's obvious for all to see.
Right, having a guy on the panel during the campaign, who is still on Trump's payroll, is clearly being in the DNC's back pocket. I don't know where you got your "evidence" but the head of CNN himself admitted giving way too much coverage of Trump. I get it. Media has failed us. But that doesn't change facts. The facts are still facts, regardless of the personal beliefs of any person or outlet who reports them.
And first of all I don't "believe" anything. You keep asserting what my beliefs are, without knowing me at all, and based purely on the fact that I have posted links to various articles, which you presume to take as me presenting a firmly held personal belief, when I am simply pointing to evidence which clearly disagrees with your apparent firmly held belief that progressiveness and liberals are evil, and only conservative news can be allowed to be posted here. Likewise, you and your ilk keep asserting that I am a "lefty democrat who hates America," again making assumptions because the facts disagree with you, and then you turning into a defensive jerk about it.
If you don't care about facts, that's fine, but don't get all pissy and start condescending and calling names, because the facts disagree with you. It makes you the jerk, not the facts.
I like dobey. He can be kurt, but he one of many various opinions on this board, and I welcome that. And he can be a very good resource of information in tech. Maybe its just me, but unless its extremely over the top disrespect, I just take it for what it is. An internet forum.
Right, having a guy on the panel during the campaign, who is still on Trump's payroll, is clearly being in the DNC's back pocket. I don't know where you got your "evidence" but the head of CNN himself admitted giving way too much coverage of Trump. I get it. Media has failed us. But that doesn't change facts. The facts are still facts, regardless of the personal beliefs of any person or outlet who reports them.
And first of all I don't "believe" anything. You keep asserting what my beliefs are, without knowing me at all, and based purely on the fact that I have posted links to various articles, which you presume to take as me presenting a firmly held personal belief, when I am simply pointing to evidence which clearly disagrees with your apparent firmly held belief that progressiveness and liberals are evil, and only conservative news can be allowed to be posted here. Likewise, you and your ilk keep asserting that I am a "lefty democrat who hates America," again making assumptions because the facts disagree with you, and then you turning into a defensive jerk about it.
If you don't care about facts, that's fine, but don't get all pissy and start condescending and calling names, because the facts disagree with you. It makes you the jerk, not the facts.
What about my post above was "pissy" or "condescending?" You believe your sources and don't believe anyone else's. You like to tell people they don't know you or what you believe, but then call anything you post "fact" while making attempts to discredit anything that doesn't agree with your post. Saying someone doesn't "care about facts" because they post something contrary to what you post is a good example of being pissy.
You're right about one thing - we don't know you as an individual. We do know who you present yourself to be here and the views you espouse. Whether those are genuine or fake, we can't tell. All we have to go on is the façade you choose to present and our interactions with you are based on that. That's no different than any social interaction.
It would behoove you to remember that as much as you proclaim others don't know you, likewise you don't know others. Yet your comments draw conclusions of belief in the same manner as those you just chastised for doing the same.
Yeah, you keep trying to insinuate that I"m someone I'm not. I've not been banned before.
That was me that insinuated that you were someone that has been banned before. I was thinking it as I read through your posts, and then someone else mentioned who you reminded them of and it all clicked. He Quoted me in the post, those were my words.
I don't think I was hateful about it. I do think you are a member that's been banned before. I also think you are way to aggressive with your opinions. But it's your choice to be that way. Just keep in mind that there are a lot of people here that will vote you off the island for making that choice. Is it fair? That's not my call.
Like I said. I haven't rated you. I probably never will. You haven't personally attacked me, except to call me stupid when you lumped me into a group. I'm fine with that. I generally like to be called ignorant, but hey.
Hey Buddy, you look'n for trouble? Who's sand is that anyway? BTW, standing on, packing and compressing sand is not exactly the message intended.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun....
When Life throws you a curve, lean into it and roll on that throttle!!
If, you wish to piss off a Conservative, lie to him. If, you wish to piss off a Socialist, Liberal or Progressive, tell them the truth.
Originally posted by Formula88: What about my post above was "pissy" or "condescending?" You believe your sources and don't believe anyone else's. You like to tell people they don't know you or what you believe, but then call anything you post "fact" while making attempts to discredit anything that doesn't agree with your post. Saying someone doesn't "care about facts" because they post something contrary to what you post is a good example of being pissy.
You're right about one thing - we don't know you as an individual. We do know who you present yourself to be here and the views you espouse. Whether those are genuine or fake, we can't tell. All we have to go on is the façade you choose to present and our interactions with you are based on that. That's no different than any social interaction.
It would behoove you to remember that as much as you proclaim others don't know you, likewise you don't know others. Yet your comments draw conclusions of belief in the same manner as those you just chastised for doing the same.
No. You keep asserting that I have some belief, because I posted opposing views (or facts). You keep claiming the posts are false, and provide no actual evidence to support such claim. If you want me to "believe" some conservative point of view, you're going to have to provide some actual evidence. Sites which clearly perpetuate false information and conspiracy theories, are not evidence.
Like I said, I follow the evidence and facts. If you can't provide them, that's fine, but don't presume to attack me for being progressive, a liberal, a democrat, or whatever else you want to believe I am, because I won't buy into your unsupported claims, and then claim I'm being the jerk for calling you out or responding in kind.
I've been surrounded by assholes for most of my life. I know how they think. Trying to cut me off, talk over me, and assert their values are the truth, because they're louder. Nope, facts don't work that way, and this isn't a bar. And it is exactly the same behavior I see here when I post any opposition to your beliefs.
I am who I am. I present no false facade. However, when you are quick to judge, presume to take posting supporting evidence as proclaiming some belief, and take any statement of opposition as some sort of personal attack, you end up replying with attacks, and not discussing or learning.
Originally posted by dobey: I've been surrounded by assholes for most of my life.
Sorry, but that just had to be quoted.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun....
When Life throws you a curve, lean into it and roll on that throttle!!
If, you wish to piss off a Conservative, lie to him. If, you wish to piss off a Socialist, Liberal or Progressive, tell them the truth.
Because most creatures tend to migrate toward safety and comon needs, we see many species come together for the safety in numbers and shared dietary needs. Why should politics be any different.
I just think that the way we butt heads here in T/OT, we sometimes let it slip into an emotional thing. Dang-nabbit, emotions have no place in T/OT!
Sometimes for me it helps to understand someone by seeing that understanding as a challenge; "I can't change them, but can I change the way I see or interact with them?"
If that don't work I immediately go to my back-up plan; "Let him rave, that men may know him mad."
I think we can be stronger because of our differences. Besides, it don't hurt to know your enemy!
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I just think that the way we butt heads here in T/OT, we sometimes let it slip into an emotional thing. Dang-nabbit, emotions have no place in T/OT!
Sometimes for me it helps to understand someone by seeing that understanding as a challenge; "I can't change them, but can I change the way I see or interact with them?"
If that don't work I immediately go to my back-up plan; "Let him rave, that men may know him mad."
I think we can be stronger because of our differences. Besides, it don't hurt to know your enemy!
Why is having, expressing or acting on emotions seemed to be considered a handicap? Isn't just these gut feelings just a way of summarizing our experience in the world to allow us to make a decision?
Even if the "real" truth and "real" facts are covered up? lol
The problem with a lot of news today is that it is mostly ALL an opinion piece - hard journalism has become extinct - media relies a lot on social media now days or twisting a story to make it sound a lot different then it really is in order to sell more "papers".
Even if the "real" truth and "real" facts are covered up? lol
The problem with a lot of news today is that it is mostly ALL an opinion piece - hard journalism has become extinct - media relies a lot on social media now days or twisting a story to make it sound a lot different then it really is in order to sell more "papers".
A good way to show this is the story of the day yesterday.. "Snow in Hawaii". Of course it's snowing there. It's always snowing there. It's a tall mountain. Those facts get ignored because the "feel factor" works.
He came into OT and began attacking a large group. He got called for it, and continued to cry. 2.5 mentions him coming around or whatever, but that has only been a few days. Now folks are giving him positives? Your choice, but the boy has a long history of being confrontational. His red bar is NOT from this past several weeks.
He is a racist. Already blamed whitey in an earlier thread.
Threatened with shutting me out from Pennocks with his ability in programming.
He touts that all apps and programs are running because of him. Anything that we use we can thank him for.
He is a racist. Again, he blames one race for America's issues. I cannot let that go.
He continues to tell lies. More than once he has stated sources of information that are clearly biased. Even claiming many of us follow news sources that we don't even ****ing know of until he mentions them.
The President Trump victory made him come to OT. He could not "take our lies and hate" any longer. EXTREME generalizations flew from his finger tips. Absolutely calling anyone that did not follow the dobey line as "racists". Then in the next sentence calls all issues on whitey.
Even in General and Technical he has LONG history of being confrontational. YES, he participates and even does have some great knowledge, but OT is not his only infraction.
Rate him what you will. I am not telling anyone to change one way or another. I finally rated him a permanent negative. I know of his interactions here and here alone. Perhaps he is different in human form, but that form only holds down a computer chair, and never finishes anything tactile. Just how is that engine swap going dobey?
I will take my negs here. Dobey has attacked friends, builds, and this forum more than just in this past several weeks. My memory goes back much longer than the Plastic Media tells us.
So, to summarize, **** dobey. He is a lower cased individual.
No, Tony. You have built up your own personal hatred of me, and twist everything I've posted into your own little fantasy to assign some meaning to it which I did not state. Nor have I done all these things you claim. You need to chill.
And I have never "attacked" anyone's builds. I asked some questions in your buddy's build thread, and you all attacked me for asking questions, or making some suggestions.
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Your choice, but the boy has a long history of being confrontational. His red bar is NOT from this past several weeks. 
