Originally posted by blackrams: Well, if that's true, then can I get back some of that tax money that was spent on all the "social entitlement" programs that have been wasted for years? I'll agree with the attention point. But, his lack of respect demonstration will surely haunt him the rest of his life. Will it effect things more than his money could have, very doubtful. But now, he'll have a convenient excuse for his declining career.
I dunno--how much have you protested the waste and to what extent have you gone to bring attention to the issue? (To be truthful, until I started posting in this thread, I was not even aware what Kapernick was protesting--not that it really matters any. It's not his angst that has people upset--it's the extent he went to in order to bring attention to it)
I dunno--how much have you protested the waste and to what extent have you gone to bring attention to the issue?
At every election opportunity. Not that it's done much good.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
If, you wish to piss off a Conservative, lie to him. If, you wish to piss off a Socialist, Liberal or Progressive, tell them the truth.
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Hes sure not complaining about his 100 million dollar salary. I heard on this mornings NBC news they are thinking of firing him. If it was NASCAR, they would fine him big a few times, then ban him for conduct detrimental to the sport. He had his protest by doing it once. His complaint is about black men being killed by cops. The FBI stats (criminalogist Richard Johnson FBI study) show 4,472 black men killed per average in the years 2009-2012 by BLACK MEN, and 112 killed by police in the same time period. He should be protesting blacks killing blacks at 45 times the police rate. Its bad when 13% of the population commits 52% of the murders. Personally, let them all kill each other off. They do a much more efficient job than the police apparently.
Hes sure not complaining about his 100 million dollar salary. I heard on this mornings NBC news they are thinking of firing him. If it was NASCAR, they would fine him big a few times, then ban him for conduct detrimental to the sport. He had his protest by doing it once. His complaint is about black men being killed by cops. The FBI stats (criminalogist Richard Johnson FBI study) show 4,472 black men killed per average in the years 2009-2012 by BLACK MEN, and 112 killed by police in the same time period. He should be protesting blacks killing blacks at 45 times the police rate. Its bad when 13% of the population commits 52% of the murders. Personally, let them all kill each other off. They do a much more efficient job than the police apparently.
Last Friday to Sunday alone, gun violence has been blamed for eight homicides and 64 non-fatal shootings, according to Chicago police. As of Sunday, homicides so far this year total 459. There have been 2,818 shooting victims this year -- just 170 shy of 2015's total of 2,988, according to the Chicago Tribune. With an average of nearly 82 shootings per week, the city will likely pass last year's mark.
Originally posted by DanDamage: ... he is even growing out his "jew fro" ...
Rumor has it Kapernick converted to Islam. There is no proof of that but he is engaged to a Muslim member of Black Lives Matter and it is reported that he will have a traditional Muslim wedding.
I'm 6'3" and my wife is 5'10" and we're sick and tired of getting wet first when it rains and we're also sick and tired of shorter people thinking we've been put on this Earth to get things off of shelves for them. It's height-ism at its worst I tell you.
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Originally posted by maryjane:
Well, I'm 6'4 and they put stuff down on low shelves just so short people like you and my 5' 2" tall wife can reach them, and I have to bend down at my old age and pick up 10lb bags of sugar 3" off the ground. It ain't my fault you 2 gave up and just decided to stop growing.
Obviously, you guys have never stood in line, eye level with someone's belt, hoping they don't fart.
As for that bending down issue, I certainly understand the inconvenience. Some stores have managed to find spots low enough to make life difficult even for short people. Like the 50lb bag of dog food on a floor level shelf. it would be easier to grab it from a shelf closer to the average level waist level or you could at least slide it straight into the cart.
I'll bet you can agree that shoulder belts in vehicles work best for people between 5' 6" and 5' 9"......
And while it's inconvenient that tall people will take the lower urinal, the real problem for short people is having to rely on our ability to calculate the trajectory of the arch while adjusting for decreasing push-out pressure. Seriously, it's hard to hit a target you can barely see and having to walk forward as the arch recedes. We don't mean to pee on the floor, it's just impossible to stop or produced enough height at the end of the flow. Unlike you taller gents who could just dribble into to bowel, if you weren't stand 6 inches away from the urinal trying not to stand in the piss puddle on the floor. If they would just lower the dam bowel.....
Thats it, enough is enough.... I refuse to stand for the national anthem at all spots that require some form of balls to play until this height biased society quits ignoring and mistreating a segment of the people who are not represented in the engineering and design of the building, furniture, appliances, etc. I will stand with others like me by sitting in protest of an anthem that represents this injustice. Now if I'm at a monster truck rally, that a whole other ball game.
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Depending upon media swing, I can sadly see this becoming commonplace. Pizzes me off in reality.
We reap what we sow.
Its kind of one of the overall agendas, teach people to hate and be confused about what the country stands for, and what stands for the country. He bought it.
Originally posted by maryjane: It's not his angst that has people upset--it's the extent he went to in order to bring attention to it
Exactly.
Besides, he's most certainly not the first...nor will he be the last.
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There I was, the black grandson of a slave, the son of a black sharecropper, part of a historic occasion, a symbolic hero to my people. The air was sparkling. The sunlight was warm. The band struck up the national anthem. The flag billowed in the wind. It should have been a glorious moment for me as the stirring words of the national anthem poured from the stands. Perhaps, it was, but then again, perhaps, the anthem could be called the theme song for a drama called The Noble Experiment. Today, as I look back on that opening game of my first world series, I must tell you that it was Mr. Rickey’s drama and that I was only a principal actor. As I write this twenty years later, I cannot stand and sing the anthem. I cannot salute the flag; I know that I am a black man in a white world. In 1972, in 1947, at my birth in 1919, I know that I never had it made.
One of the attitudes that always "trips me out" is the idea that oppressed people are being divisive by bringing up the fact that they are oppressed.....and the best way to bring everybody together is to not mention it.
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Rumor has it Kapernick converted to Islam. There is no proof of that but he is engaged to a Muslim member of Black Lives Matter and it is reported that he will have a traditional Muslim wedding.
True.....not that it matters.I read the Allan West piece about his fiance too. Who can impeach such a reliable source?
Hes sure not complaining about his 100 million dollar salary. I heard on this mornings NBC news they are thinking of firing him. If it was NASCAR, they would fine him big a few times, then ban him for conduct detrimental to the sport. He had his protest by doing it once. His complaint is about black men being killed by cops. The FBI stats (criminalogist Richard Johnson FBI study) show 4,472 black men killed per average in the years 2009-2012 by BLACK MEN, and 112 killed by police in the same time period. He should be protesting blacks killing blacks at 45 times the police rate. Its bad when 13% of the population commits 52% of the murders. Personally, let them all kill each other off. They do a much more efficient job than the police apparently.
Hit the nail on the head here. This is what I find most disturbing about the BLM crap. Want to make a change? Fix your own community issues first, and quit blaming those who serve and protect us. The media has glorified the worst scenarios between officials and blacks. I HATE watching the news in Pittsburgh. Every day there are multiple shootings, among other violent acts, in our ghettos. Don't see anyone violently protesting THAT. All they do is hold candle-light vigils and blame police. It's a shame that this country is being divided by the voice of blacks that DO care, who aren't violent, but who refuse to address the bigger issue within their own communities. That so many expect reparations to come and appease the slavery crap that NONE of them even experienced in the first place, is astounding. One final note. We're all human, none of us perfect. It takes all of us to make this world work. If we all got off our capable rear ends and worked at it, if we all could manage even one simple act of kindness per day, many of the world's issues would resolve. Hint - eliminate welfare!
I believe the sun rises in the east and still sets in the west.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
If, you wish to piss off a Conservative, lie to him. If, you wish to piss off a Socialist, Liberal or Progressive, tell them the truth.
Much like when Sally Struthers was in commercials begging to feed the hungry, there's a certain something lost in Kaepernick's message. While there are definitely people who are oppressed in this country, it's difficult to hear that message coming from someone who is currently making more money per year than most average people will see in a lifetime. I fully support his right to protest, but I think he made a poor decision as to the how and when of it.
I believe the sun rises in the east and still sets in the west.
"But not in the winter, in the winter it rises in the west and sets in the east."
A friend of mine who visits Colorado every years to climb pikes peak and fish in the Rocky's, told me that one day at the dinner table, Melanie heard him as well. We argued with him for ten min before we got out an encyclopedia, remember those kids? He still didn't believe us. How he ever found his way out of the mountains I still to this day cant figure out? Melanie said its all down hill, he just kept walking down hill.
One of the attitudes that always "trips me out" is the idea that oppressed people are being divisive by bringing up the fact that they are oppressed.....and the best way to bring everybody together is to not mention it.
Took a page right out of Trump's book. "I heard....", "People are saying......" All you need to do is mention a name and a hot button topic in the same sentence and there ya go, many will believe it. Look at some of the crap people post on here as "truthful" which has a sensational headline but doesn't hold water when checked... but hey say it enough and people tend to think it's true or at least there is some truth to it.
lol..But it 'sounds' sooo good. Muslims--commies under the bed for the 21st century.
Both I and Melanie's dads had this one line they both said all their lives every time something was happening around the world.
"Them Commie Basturds"
Both made Archie Bunker look like a nice guy !
After 911 happened I was working for Cianbro on the oil rigs in 03 I think it was, we had a Muslim kid who I got paired up a couple of times. Seemed decent enough, though we never talked about religion or politics, just the work we were doing, he never tried to convert me, never said anything about what happened until one day we had to go into a confined space area. All of our rescue crew was 6+ about 200 Lbs. and I had made a comment to the jobsite Superintendent some of the places we went most of those guys just couldn't get to, hell there were several places I had to take my belt, Leatherman and AA Maglite off. These guys just couldn't get into them, not threw the access ports anyway I think they call them Don.
That one day he "aid don't worry if anything happens I'll drag your ass out if I have to" I replied I'll drag you out to. but what if we both get hurt and nether one of us can even get our selves out? This was one of the Ballast tanks Don I don't think you have ever seen them or the port to get into them, but the port is small, the tank is huge, we could have played full court basketball game in the one of 4 believe they had. Had to clean out the tank for flooding of the tank and check all the welds, took a friggen week, 2 - 12 hour shift a week to finish the weld inspections.
The next week they asked for some skinnier volunteers for the safety team, of course they did it the morning meeting and the JS came right over to me and asked if I would like the job, in front of everyone else. Hey WTF I always wanted to jump off side of a oil rig, sitting in water hanging onto nothing but a small peace of rope. I still had my regular job and the extra pay only came in when I did training or helping someone out. but at least the training was fun.
anyway the kid I was talking about joined as well and we trained and never got to do any rescuing in the almost year I was on that job. we talked at length before the training happened or we even got the job, confined space rescue about just what they would do if none of the rescuers could fit into the places we were, most of the exterior steel was over 2" thick, you can't even cut threw that quick enough to save someone. so how would they get us out. oh we had walkie talkies to communicate with our hole watch, but those worked sometimes not well, as we were so far apart and there was so much steel between us.
I've been in lots of ballast tanks--they use them on ships and amphibious craft to even the trim if the fore to aft or starboard to port loads are different weights. Been in several voids too--a void is just an empty space that shouldn't have anything in it. All just use bolt on hatches--no quick open locks. You can usually tell the difference because ballast tanks are vented to atmosphere, while voids are not. We had an LCM once that developed a starboard list and we couldn't figure out why. A starboard side void had piping that ran thru it for the keel cooler and a 2" union had begun to leak salt water into the void. You can see the bolted up access covers along either side of this LCM--they're 18-20" in diameter. Some are voids--some are ballast--you can see the little upside down "j" or "u" pipe on top of the well deck wall--it lets air in an out but not water from waves or rainfall on a ballast area. All have to be certified gas free before entering.
A very recent site set up just for Kaepernick by a very small number of people.
I don't believe anyone has said he didn't have the right, just that he has very poor judgement. But, there's a silver lining in most dark clouds, he now has a convenient excuse to blame on his declining career.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
If, you wish to piss off a Conservative, lie to him. If, you wish to piss off a Socialist, Liberal or Progressive, tell them the truth.
I don't believe anyone has said he didn't have the right, just that he has very poor judgement. But, there's a silver lining in most dark clouds, he now has a convenient excuse to blame on his declining career.
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I decided to VCR the 49er game tonight to see what kind of a reaction might happen with it being a very patriotic San Diego salute.
My understanding is, the entire team went down on bent knee. Didn't watch so, I don't know for sure.
Already written off Kaeperrnick, This may result in me avoiding more than just SF games. I can live without pro-football. The question is, if this continues, can the NFL live with out viewers and sponsors. Some sponsors will stick around until the buying public decides to not support such actions. If that doesn't happen then all will move on with life and another step toward a lessor US will be taken.
The 49'ers may cut him from the team. Not because of his recent protests, but because he's just not very good. Of course, if he does get cut, they'll instantly label it as a racist move and demand he be kept on the team. Like Michael Sam, he just wasn't that good and didn't make the cut. But as soon as he didn't make the cut, many saw that as homophobic. I don't care what color you are or who you go to bed with, if you can't play, you can't play. They need to be cut to make room for someone who can. "Life is pain. Anyone who tells you differently is selling something."
I have at least 4. Theyre ten times more reliable than DVDs. Everyone talks about tapes degrading so fast. Ive got hundreds of tapes clear back to the 70s that still play fine. Its all in how you store them. You cant pile them flat in a box in the trunk of your car. Ive had too many 2 year old DVDs I had to throw away when they failed. When I have something I positively want to save, even if I do a DVD, im make a tape copy of it. Sure it may not have the same quality all the time, BUT I do still have it.
My understanding is, the entire team went down on bent knee. Didn't watch so, I don't know for sure.
No they didn't. One other player joined him.
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Already written off Kaeperrnick, This may result in me avoiding more than just SF games. I can live without pro-football.
Curious about something. You said in another post that you stopped watching boxing because Muhammad Ali (yes, that was his legal name) took a position on the Vietnam War and now you're willing to forgo watching football because Kaepernick has taken a position on police brutality. An athlete assuming a stance on a social issue related to their life OFF the field of "play" seems to be a determining factor for you.
Do you watch baseball or did you stop when Lenny Dykstra was showing up for work drunk, high on cocaine and chasing his teammates around the clubhouse with a baseball bat or when Pete Rose was found to be betting for AND against his own team? Do you watch hockey or did you stop when Patrick Kane was accused of rape? Do you watch basketball or did you stop when Darren Collison was arrested for domestic abuse or Michael Jordan (a serial adulterer) was bringing his mistresses to games his wife was attending? Do you watch golf or did you stop when Steven Thomas was arrested for having sex with underage girls?
I can only assume you continued to watch football even after Ray Rice was videoed beating up his fiance in a hotel elevator, Aaron Hernandez was convicted for murder, Ray Lewis was accused of murder, Jim Dunaway was accused of murder, OJ Simpson was accused of murder or Rae Carruth was not only accused of conspiracy to commit the murder of his then-pregnant girlfriend but was found guilty of the charge. It would seem that, as long as an athlete doesn't express an opinion about something besides running, jumping, hitting someone or playing with a ball, you're okay with it.....but if one uses his "celebrity status" to bring attention to something they actually think or believe, THAT is a "no-no."
As I said before, either you're not much of a "sports fan" to begin with or you have a problem with an athlete being a "person" too.
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Curious about something. You said in another post that you stopped watching boxing because Muhammad Ali (yes, that was his legal name) took a position on the Vietnam War and now you're willing to forgo watching football because Kaepernick has taken a position on police brutality. An athlete assuming a stance on a social issue related to their life OFF the field of "play" seems to be a determining factor for you.
Do you watch baseball or did you stop when Lenny Dykstra was showing up for work drunk, high on cocaine and chasing his teammates around the clubhouse with a baseball bat or when Pete Rose was found to be betting for AND against his own team? Do you watch hockey or did you stop when Patrick Kane was accused of rape? Do you watch basketball or did you stop when Darren Collison was arrested for domestic abuse or Michael Jordan (a serial adulterer) was bringing his mistresses to games his wife was attending? Do you watch golf or did you stop when Steven Thomas was arrested for having sex with underage girls?
I can only assume you continued to watch football even after Ray Rice was videoed beating up his fiance in a hotel elevator, Aaron Hernandez was convicted for murder, Ray Lewis was accused of murder, Jim Dunaway was accused of murder, OJ Simpson was accused of murder or Rae Carruth was not only accused of conspiracy to commit the murder of his then-pregnant girlfriend but was found guilty of the charge. It would seem that, as long as an athlete doesn't express an opinion about something besides running, jumping, hitting someone or playing with a ball, you're okay with it.....but if one uses his "celebrity status" to bring attention to something they actually think or believe, THAT is a "no-no."
As I said before, either you're not much of a "sports fan" to begin with or you have a problem with an athlete being a "person" too.
My guess is, you haven't served.
Damn, I guess I'm not much of a sports fan, don't know the majority of those names.
But, you're (at least partially) correct, whether it's an athlete, actor or any other celebrity, I don't give a damn about their opinion on most topics. Especially those people have made their fortune taking advantage of what this nation offers but who have never given anything back to this country, expecially those who have never served. Using their positions or celebrity status and trying to influence some social agenda gives them no status in my opinion on much.
His right to protest, my right to respect or not respect that protest, correct? That has absolutely nothing to do with his cause. Thank you. ------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
If, you wish to piss off a Conservative, lie to him. If, you wish to piss off a Socialist, Liberal or Progressive, tell them the truth.
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Yes, that is one of the freedoms you fought for.....and thank you as well.
Damn, you're quick, quoted me before I had made some corrections, both grammar and punctuation.
As the old saying goes, all gave some, some gave all. There are many others that have earned much more of American's gratitude than I.
------------------ Ron
Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
Definition of a home owner, "see the door threshold, without my permission, there and no futher.......
If, you wish to piss off a Conservative, lie to him. If, you wish to piss off a Socialist, Liberal or Progressive, tell them the truth.
If they would just lower the dam bowel..... 
