Frankly, if you believe in God, then your religious beliefs are between you and God. Structured religion (in general) is just used to control people and power as one just has to look at history.
"Religion is the sign of the oppressed creature, the sentiment of a heartless world, and the soul of soul-less conditions. It is the opium of the people."
"Religion is the sign of the oppressed creature, the sentiment of a heartless world, and the soul of soul-less conditions. It is the opium of the people."
If everyone who didn't vote in the last election voted 3rd party, it would win without taking away any votes that would have gone to either D or R.
That is their problem. If they can not attract willing voters to their platform, it's even harder to inspire those who have chosen not to participate. The other problem I see is their own inability to enter the ring and be part of the fight. Seriously, it's like they are sitting among the audience at a wrestling match talking about being a contender.... They need to learn how identify the leading candidate and grab media attention while going after the biggest and baddest guy on the stage. Being "not the republican or democratic party" isn't enough. They have to find away to atleast become the closet trailing candidate to the leader before they can grab the lead.
Until the Pope changes his opinion on abortion, these people are no more Catholic than ISIS is Muslim. While I don't equate the two groups, the simple reality is we're told the views of ISIS are not compatible with the teachings of Islam. Likewise, the views of members of the Catholic church who are pro-choice are not compatible with the teachings of the Catholic Church.
I recognize they are pushing for change and they speak for the direction they want the church to go, but they do not speak for the church.
You're right that the groups mentioned may not be recognized as Catholic by certain members of the Church but that doesn't change the fact that many still practise and consider themselves Catholic regardless of what the Pope or Chuches opinion is.
I don't think the analogy you made is quite right either, I think ISIS members are Muslim but they interpret their holy book different than most other Muslims. Just like there are plenty of Christians that have and do interpret the Bible in various ways.
You're right that the groups mentioned may not be recognized as Catholic by certain members of the Church but that doesn't change the fact that many still practise and consider themselves Catholic regardless of what the Pope or Chuches opinion is.
I don't think the analogy you made is quite right either, I think ISIS members are Muslim but they interpret their holy book different than most other Muslims. Just like there are plenty of Christians that have and do interpret the Bible in various ways.
Yes, yes of course. The same whackadoodle Lib-World" twisted mindset that believes that anyone can be whatever they claim to be. You leftists have made mental illness and denial of reality an "art form".
In Lib-World Biological males are females if they *claim to be* White females are black if they *claim to be*
"Catholics" for abortion....no wonder a jarring antithesis like that makes "sense" to a leftie.
If Mrs. Clinton is indeed brain damaged it is apparent that her disease is what makes her more appealing to her similarly afflicted supporters.
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You're right that the groups mentioned may not be recognized as Catholic by certain members of the Church but that doesn't change the fact that many still practise and consider themselves Catholic regardless of what the Pope or Chuches opinion is.
I don't think the analogy you made is quite right either, I think ISIS members are Muslim but they interpret their holy book different than most other Muslims. Just like there are plenty of Christians that have and do interpret the Bible in various ways.
Oh, so as long as someone claims to be a(fill in the blank) you believe them even if they don't follow the groups/religions rules..
Yes, yes of course. The same whackadoodle Lib-World" twisted mindset that believes that anyone can be whatever they claim to be. You leftists have made mental illness and denial of reality an "art form".
In Lib-World Biological males are females if they *claim to be* White females are black if they *claim to be*
"Catholics" for abortion....no wonder a jarring antithesis like that makes "sense" to a leftie.
If Mrs. Clinton is indeed brain damaged it is apparent that her disease is what makes her more appealing to her similarly afflicted supporters.
Yes, yes of course. The same whackadoodle Lib-World" twisted mindset that believes that anyone can be whatever they claim to be. You leftists have made mental illness and denial of reality an "art form". In Lib-World Biological males are females if they *claim to be* White females are black if they *claim to be*
"Catholics" for abortion....no wonder a jarring antithesis like that makes "sense" to a leftie.
If Mrs. Clinton is indeed brain damaged it is apparent that her disease is what makes her more appealing to her similarly afflicted supporters.
If some of the facts written in the articles I linked are true then it's roughly half of all Catholics that support abortion so doesn't appear to be too whackadoodle. Feel free to let them know they're all mentally ill.
Oh, so as long as someone claims to be a(fill in the blank) you believe them even if they don't follow the groups/religions rules..
how liberal of you..
Let me see if I can explain what I meant using the example of Roman Catholics.
If someone practices Catholicism in most ways (goes to Mass, follows the majority of the doctrine, believes in the holy trinity etc etc) AND tells me they are Catholic but doesn't support everything that the Pope says. Yeah I'll most likely accept that they are what they say. The Pontiff in the Vatican City has changed his views depending on the era and which particular Pope was in power so I'm not sure followers can be considered not Catholic for disagreeing with certain views at a specific time. It's an interesting debate though.
Catholics and other Christians fail to follow parts of their doctrines and Ten Commandments all the time I'm not sure that makes their faith and relationship with God any less as they can always ask for forgiveness. I'm not the one to Judge what their personal relationship is, so yes if someone tells me they are something and it's backed up with actions I will most likely believe what they say with regards to their faith.
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Yup, I know many Catholics... and I mean MANY, who don't lead a "Catholic" life, but they are Catholic. Heck, just look at those Catholic priests who abused children... Will E.Frugral tell us they are not Catholic?
But again, every Muslim is a terrorist.... I love the double standard from these guys.
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Let me see if I can explain what I meant using the example of Roman Catholics.
If someone practices Catholicism in most ways (goes to Mass, follows the majority of the doctrine, believes in the holy trinity etc etc) AND tells me they are Catholic but doesn't support everything that the Pope says. Yeah I'll most likely accept that they are what they say. The Pontiff in the Vatican City has changed his views depending on the era and which particular Pope was in power so I'm not sure followers can be considered not Catholic for disagreeing with certain views at a specific time. It's an interesting debate though.
Catholics and other Christians fail to follow parts of their doctrines and Ten Commandments all the time I'm not sure that makes their faith and relationship with God any less as they can always ask for forgiveness. I'm not the one to Judge what their personal relationship is, so yes if someone tells me they are something and it's backed up with actions I will most likely believe what they say with regards to their faith.
It's an interesting discussion, but it is diverting way off topic. If everyone would like to continue the religion discussion, I'd ask someone start a new religion thread specifically for that.
If some of the facts written in the articles I linked are true then it's roughly half of all Catholics that support abortion so doesn't appear to be too whackadoodle. Feel free to let them know they're all mentally ill.
You do know how polls work, those taking it ask what you think and if it what they want they keep going, if not they say thank you.. and walk away.. so yes wahackadoodle
Yup, I know many Catholics... and I mean MANY, who don't lead a "Catholic" life, but they are Catholic. Heck, just look at those Catholic priests who abused children... Will E.Frugral tell us they are not Catholic?
But again, every Muslim is a terrorist.... I love the double standard from these guys.
no I won't tell them if they are are not,, as a catholic it is not to judge others.. of their faith And I don't until they start harming others.. like unborn babies.
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no I won't tell them if they are are not,, as a catholic it is not to judge others.. of their faith And I don't until they start harming others.. like unborn babies.
Right... nice double standard... how about those Muslims?
You do know how polls work, those taking it ask what you think and if it what they want they keep going, if not they say thank you.. and walk away.. so yes wahackadoodle
Right, everything you disagree with is a conspiracy. I forgot.
no I won't tell them if they are are not,, as a catholic it is not to judge others.. of their faith And I don't until they start harming others.. like unborn babies.
Yeah those priests and Xtian brothers never harmed anyone.
Also using your unborn baby logic I guess you're ok to judge a whole lot of people.
Nope no double standards going on in your head.
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Right... nice double standard... how about those Muslims?
I've only asked that the peaceful stand up against the nut terrorist... oops you failed.. you see, when you see something bad in part of your group and say nothing, do nothing you are as bad as the ones doing it.. I don't care if it's muslums, jews, catholics, police officers, or what have you.. muslums haven't shown up to stop the terrorist.. they claim to be running from it, then once here.. do the same things they claimed to want to leave behind.. so, nice try.. oops, try again..
Yeah those priests and Xtian brothers never harmed anyone.
Also using your unborn baby logic I guess you're ok to judge a whole lot of people.
Nope no double standards going on in your head.
let me highlight it for you.. as seen as you seemed to have missed it..
Originally posted by E.Furgal:
no I won't tell them if they are are not,, as a catholic it is not to judge others.. of their faith And I don't until they start harming others.. like unborn babies.
Yep if you kill a unborn baby because it with cause issues with your vanity, and life style you are no better than a person that pops a cap into a person on the street.. sorry.. killing a human doesn't change just because it might be an inconvence to your keep up with the jones life style.. and that is all it is.. very few are because of a crime..
You are still judging... as you have determined when that mass of cells is a life and then judging those who don't believe what you do. (and I see you are really judging people as you think it is about vanity... wow... yeah... )
Here I thought only God should judge people, but nope, E.Frugal does.
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let me highlight it for you.. as seen as you seemed to have missed it..
Originally posted by E.Furgal:
no I won't tell them if they are are not,, as a catholic it is not to judge others.. of their faith And I don't until they start harming others.. like unborn babies.
Yep if you kill a unborn baby because it with cause issues with your vanity, and life style you are no better than a person that pops a cap into a person on the street.. sorry.. killing a human doesn't change just because it might be an inconvence to your keep up with the jones life style.. and that is all it is.. very few are because of a crime..
You contradict yourself... just be truthful... you hate muslims.
What you done to stop people from killing others? You haven't stood up to your fellow humans.... oh wait... you have double standards... you fail.
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I've only asked that the peaceful stand up against the nut terrorist... oops you failed.. you see, when you see something bad in part of your group and say nothing, do nothing you are as bad as the ones doing it.. I don't care if it's muslums, jews, catholics, police officers, or what have you.. muslums haven't shown up to stop the terrorist.. they claim to be running from it, then once here.. do the same things they claimed to want to leave behind.. so, nice try.. oops, try again..
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yes after a bombing I went in to a place that I could've been killed and in doing so stopped others from being hurt/killed. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.
Me?... I donated a kidney and saved a life... Notice I didn't say "could've".... I actually did something, putting my life on the line at that time and for the future. You claimed to walk into a place?? Ok... sure.
I see you haven't stopped any of your fellow americans from killing one another... Apparently, you are just as bad as those Muslims you hate.
love the double standard you have... and how you judge others because of their religion... oh wait.. you don't judge... :roilleyes:
(oh, and let's not forget... don't you want to press the button and wipe out the world?)
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: Me?... I donated a kidney and saved a life... Notice I didn't say "could've".... I actually did something, putting my life on the line at that time and for the future. You claimed to walk into a place?? Ok... sure.
I see you haven't stopped any of your fellow americans from killing one another... Apparently, you are just as bad as those Muslims you hate.
love the double standard you have... and how you judge others because of their religion... oh wait.. you don't judge... :roilleyes:
(oh, and let's not forget... don't you want to press the button and wipe out the world?)
I know I use big words and all, but you seem to not be reading correctly.. might want to reread it.. I saved two lives on the day of the bombing,, wish I could've saved the child.. but keep up with your b/s.. it's so you
I know I use big words and all, but you seem to not be reading correctly.. might want to reread it.. I saved two lives on the day of the bombing,, wish I could've saved the child.. but keep up with your b/s.. it's so you
Your words, mr. trump... (below) Where do you actually say that you saved two people and almost a child? Invisible ink? Really small font? Again, what have you done to stop YOUR FELLOW Americans from killing others? You blame Muslims for not stopping other Muslims, yet won't do anything to stop your fellow Americans from killing others. Love that double standard of yours...
So, how many terrorists did you kill?
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yes after a bombing I went in to a place that I could've been killed and in doing so stopped others from being hurt/killed. WHAT HAVE YOU DONE.
Apparently he's a hero because he's telling us he is yet a couple of posts back he mocked me saying "Oh, so as long as someone claims to be a(fill in the blank) you believe them.....how liberal of you.. ".
Apparently he's a hero because he's telling us he is yet a couple of posts back he mocked me saying "Oh, so as long as someone claims to be a(fill in the blank) you believe them.....how liberal of you.. ".
yes after the bombings I went into their prayer house to get intel.. that intel saved lives.. sorry you can't put one and one together..
Hmmmm earlier you mentioned how you saved 2 people after the bombings and how you were sorry that you couldn't save "the child". Could you please explain how your Intel from the prayer house saved the two lives and not the child's?
Hmmmm earlier you mentioned how you saved 2 people after the bombings and how you were sorry that you couldn't save "the child". Could you please explain how your Intel from the prayer house saved the two lives and not the child's?
go reread.. after the bombing I got intel in the prayer house.. I helped the people and couldn't do anything for the child after the bomb went off 25 yards from me.. my lanard and my belt to stop bleading on 2.. I don't use big words.. do I need to post it in French?
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