What the hell ELSE did ya think the muzzie would say ?
Remember, its NOT genocide when YOUR side is doing it !!
And when one calls for the killing of all "Muzzies"?
Who cares what people call it, it needs to be stopped. The neighboring middle eastern countries and Europeans don't want the migrants? Wipe out ISIS, Assad, the Wahhabis leaders in Saudi Arabia and create a safe place for them. ahhhh but then if things were only so easy...
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Crusades? but seriously, I love how even genocide is a political attack platform for you. Never again doesn't mean much, does it?
Whoops I edited before I saw your reply.
But excuse me? You are the one who linked the naming of the killings and evacuating as political.
Never again? Sure I agree, and I wish it could have been easy to stop Rwanda, Bosnia, and Darfur. Tell me what do you suggest to stop the current ISIS/ISIL problem?
But excuse me? You are the one who linked the naming of the killings and evacuating as political.
Never again? Sure I agree, and I wish it could have been easy to stop Rwanda, Bosnia, and Darfur. Tell me what do you suggest to stop the current ISIS/ISIL problem?
I marked this as religious and did not use it as a platform to attack liberals. As for Isis, stop funding them, and bomb them off the face of the planet.
I marked this as religious and did not use it as a platform to attack liberals. As for Isis, stop funding them, and bomb them off the face of the planet.
Yet you mentioned "Socialist Europe" and Obama in your first sentence? Yup, no politics there.
Anyways no biggie...Now who exactly should stop funding them? And who exactly should be bombing them?
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Thank YOU, Dennis...some days it seems I am the only one who remembers wars are fought to be WON, not to draw a stalemate and get along with the enemy. Its the way WW1, WW2 and every major victory in history was won....screw the colateratal damage, give them 5 Dresdins, bomb the countryside with hog carcass--every bomber we can muster dropping dead hogs, and some live ones to run amock--and about 3 loads of those right-smack-dab on Mecca.
Yet you mentioned "Socialist Europe" and Obama in your first sentence? Yup, no politics there.
Anyways no biggie...Now who exactly should stop funding them? And who exactly should be bombing them?
I mentioned Obama, not Democrats. Socialist Europe was to contrast our position on this as not being right or left. More Islamic. As for the rest, you know the answers, done with games.
Thank YOU, Dennis...some days it seems I am the only one who remembers wars are fought to be WON, not to draw a stalemate and get along with the enemy. Its the way WW1, WW2 and every major victory in history was won....screw the colateratal damage, give them 5 Dresdins, bomb the countryside with hog carcass--every bomber we can muster dropping dead hogs, and some live ones to run amock--and about 3 loads of those right-smack-dab on Mecca.
I mentioned Obama, not Democrats. Socialist Europe was to contrast our position on this as not being right or left. More Islamic. As for the rest, you know the answers, done with games.
No I honestly don't know who YOU think is funding ISIS but I do agree it needs to stop. And as for who needs to bomb them I think the West buys a lot of oil and sells/ gives a crapload of weaponry to the middle east. Why don't they use it? Hmmmmmm...
Yup....same Islamic sheet-hole that gave us UBL and 9-11, the place where they behead people in public in accordance with shira law (not that I mind them killing each other off) and consider heresy and witchcraft reason to chop a head off....now as a past reader of Dr. Anton LeVey and sometimes Ouija board user----I got a REAL problem with having my head chopped off....I ALSO have a lingering REAL problem with 9-11, a few American friends who died there,
All I need to know about Islam---I learned on the way to the airport that day.
Yeah see I don't think we have to kill all the followers of a religion as you suggested, in fact that is what this thread is about.
I agree that the Wests friendship with the Saudi's is troubling seeing as much of the radical Islamasists seem to have come from there.
I just think that judging a whole faith by the actions of a few is narrow minded but I can certainly understand your anger towards those that committed and continue to commit these horrendous acts. I also think that the mindset of "they hate us, we are better than them, they want to kill us so we should kill them all is exactly the mindset that many engrain in their more susceptible minds to carry out horrendous acts.
No I honestly don't know who YOU think is funding ISIS but I do agree it needs to stop. And as for who needs to bomb them I think the West buys a lot of oil and sells/ gives a crapload of weaponry to the middle east. Why don't they use it? Hmmmmmm...
The Saudis, really all of our middle East oil buddies. The US has enough shale oil to cut that toxic relationship off.
Yeah see I don't think we have to kill all the followers of a religion as you suggested, in fact that is what this thread is about.
I agree that the Wests friendship with the Saudi's is troubling seeing as much of the radical Islamasists seem to have come from there.
I just think that judging a whole faith by the actions of a few is narrow minded but I can certainly understand your anger towards those that committed and continue to commit these horrendous acts. I also think that the mindset of "they hate us, we are better than them, they want to kill us so we should kill them all is exactly the mindset that many engrain in their more susceptible minds to carry out horrendous acts.
I wouldn't call it a few, but I think carpet bombing isis and hunting down the survivors like dogs, might send a positive message.
If this data is accurate, ISIS has become almost entirely self-sufficient in the sense that outright funding of ISIS by third parties (Foreign donations) represents only a very small part of ISIS income.
Prince Alwaleed bin Talal tops all of the usual listings as the wealthiest Saudi, with a personal fortune worth almost 30 billion USD. According to a new report in the U.K. Telegraph, ISIS is only receiving a very small fraction of its current revenues in the form of "charitable" donations and other money-laundered contributions from private individuals and groups with an interest in funding the so-called caliphate and its militant jihadism.
ISIS is making millions of dollars for its war chest by playing foreign currency markets under the noses of bank chiefs, it was revealed today.
The terror group is earning up to $20m (£14.29m) a month by funnelling dollars looted from banks during its takeover of the Iraqi city of Mosul into legitimate currency markets in the Middle East.
It then makes huge returns on currency speculation, which are then wired back via unsuspecting financial authorities in Iraq and Jordan, a parliamentary committee was told on Wednesday.
Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant's (ISIS) extraordinary venture into white collar crime is now a major source of income, along with oil smuggling and extortion from people living in ISIS-controlled areas.
Details of the scam emerged during a hearing of a specially-convened Foreign Affairs sub-committee set up to examine Britain's role in ISIS financing. . . .
<snip> I just think that judging a whole faith by the actions of a few is narrow minded but I can certainly understand your anger towards those that committed and continue to commit these horrendous acts. I also think that the mindset of "they hate us, we are better than them, they want to kill us so we should kill them all is exactly the mindset that many engrain in their more susceptible minds to carry out horrendous acts.
Their faith is NOT a religion of peace. It's a religion of hate and killing of those who don't believe as they do. Thank goodness most Muslims do not follow their book to the letter. The trouble is we do not know who does until it's too late. Therefore, all are suspect.
Their faith is NOT a religion of peace. It's a religion of hate and killing of those who don't believe as they do. Thank goodness most Muslims do not follow their book to the letter. The trouble is we do not know who does until it's too late. Therefore, all are suspect.
Either has Christianity been over the years, people do all kinds of crazy stuff in the name of religion. I agree there are many in the Muslim faith that interpret their holy book as a reason to commit heinous acts and subjugate women. Unfortunately some of these more radical thinkers have risen to power, hopefully the more progressive thinkers/leaders can overcome and bring about some change. All are suspect? I guess the same as anyone is IMO.
Either has Christianity been over the years, people do all kinds of crazy stuff in the name of religion. I agree there are many in the Muslim faith that interpret their holy book as a reason to commit heinous acts and subjugate women. Unfortunately some of these more radical thinkers have risen to power, hopefully the more progressive thinkers/leaders can overcome and bring about some change. All are suspect? I guess the same as anyone is IMO.
Then you fail at understanding the Koran and the Hadiths and the Bible. You also fail at how they compare. The Bible in the Old Testament, violence was directed at certain groups, not a open mandate to slaughter all non believers. The Bible in the New Testament is open to interpretation, as much is parables and metaphors. The Islamic "holy" text, do not allow for interpretation, and must be taken at face value. Latter verses trump earlier ones, and unfortunately the latter are violent. Muslims may tend to ignore the Hadith's violent verses, but they do not ignore all of the Hadith books, or they would lack most of the background on the prophet.
You are not comparing apples to apples. You will not find anywhere Jesus commanded his followers to kill non believers. You will find where Mohammed did. The Catholic church had the bible in latin in a period where most could not read, for a reason. They also had the man who translated it killed for a reason. The Bible does not lend itself to violence against "infidels". The Islamic faith on the other hand, is perfect for that.
Then you fail at understanding the Koran and the Hadiths and the Bible. You also fail at how they compare. The Bible in the Old Testament, violence was directed at certain groups, not a open mandate to slaughter all non believers. The Bible in the New Testament is open to interpretation, as much is parables and metaphors. The Islamic "holy" text, do not allow for interpretation, and must be taken at face value. Latter verses trump earlier ones, and unfortunately the latter are violent. Muslims may tend to ignore the Hadith's violent verses, but they do not ignore all of the Hadith books, or they would lack most of the background on the prophet.
You are not comparing apples to apples. You will not find anywhere Jesus commanded his followers to kill non believers. You will find where Mohammed did. The Catholic church had the bible in latin in a period where most could not read, for a reason. They also had the man who translated it killed for a reason. The Bible does not lend itself to violence against "infidels". The Islamic faith on the other hand, is perfect for that.
Yes I am aware of the differences and that many believers of Islam interpret the Koran very literally and even proclaim many other Muslims to be apostates. Many do not however and have a more modern view and do interpret their holy text. If I remember Muslims believe in other prophets besides Mohamed and believe in the same God as that's in the Bible. In fact there is an active member here who I believe is a Muslim, do you think his goal is to kill infidels? Do think all followers of the Bible are good? Do you think that all Muslims are the same?
But then I am failing somehow apparently.
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Coercion and Compulsion: God says: ‘you are not a taskmaster over them’ (Al-Ghashiyah, 88: 22); and: ‘There is no compulsion in religion. Rectitude has become clear from error …’ (Al-Baqarah, 2: 256); and: ‘And if your Lord willed, all who are in the earth would have believed together. Would you then compel people until they are believers?’ (Yunus, 10: 99); and: ‘And say, “The truth [that comes] from your Lord; so whoever will, let him believe, and whoever will, let him disbelieve”.’ (Al-Kahf, 18: 29); and: ‘You have your religion and I have my religion’ (Al-Kafirun, 109: 6).
It is known that the verse: ‘There is no compulsion in religion’ was revealed after the Conquest of Mecca, hence, no one can claim that it was abrogated. You have coerced people to convert to Islam just as you have coerced Muslims to accept your views. You also coerce everyone living under your control in every matter, great or small, even in matters which are between the individual and God . In Al-Raqqa, Deir el-Zor and other areas under your control, armed groups who call themselves ‘al-hisbah’ make their rounds, taking people to task as though they were assigned by God to execute His commandments. Yet, not a single one of the Companions [companions or friends of the Prophet] did this.
This is not enjoining the right and honourable and forbidding the wrong; rather, it is coercion, assault, and constant, random intimidation. If God wanted this, He would have obliged them over the minutest details of His religion. God says: ‘… Have they not realised, those who believe, that had God willed, He could have guided all mankind? ...’ (Al-Ra’d, 13: 31); and: ‘If We will We will send down to them a sign from the heaven before which their necks will remain bowed in humility.’ (Al-Shu’ara’, 26: 4).
Who are the author(s) of this text? When was it written? The word "you", as used in this text, is a reference to whom? Where can the document that has this text be found? How does this text square up with--or contradict--the latest post on this thread from dennis_6?
See, this nigg_r of a president that we have that secretly defends instead of bombing radical Muslims and nigg_r activist has
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Under the law Obama signed on Thursday, he, former President George W. Bush and future former presidents will receive Secret Service protection for the rest of their lives. Children of former presidents up to the age of 16 are assured protection under the new law.
because he knows the fate of he and his nigg_r families lives after his term. Half of the U.S is after his ass. It's all good for the radical Muslims who believe Obamshit is defending them.
By the way, I'm waiting for that scumbag Jaskispyder to chime in of why the world is a perfect place to live. He/She and his perfect world tactics will fail time and time again.
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There are differences of opinion about how Islam informs Muslims to conduct themselves in the modern day. Arguments amassed by the various contenders with competing claims to represent the authentic voice of Islam. Arguments involving references and chains of evidence that span almost 1400 years of history, that are so arcane and obscure that even people who spend their entire adult lives immersed in this "discipline" cannot agree on the most fundamental and most significant implications, such as whether it is "legit" (in the eyes of Allah) for Muslims to assemble in a nascent caliphate for the purpose of wreaking havoc upon anyone and everyone (including other Muslims) with different ideas.
I posted the Open Letter Denouncing ISIS with 175 signatories, all Muslims, from 40 different nations, and all with some kind of formal credential from some Muslim institution or other, from "imam" or "scholar", all the way up to Grand Mufti of Egypt and Top Banana of Al-Azhar, which can fairly bill itself as the world's oldest and most celebrated Islamic institution, with "over one million customers served" since 1093 CE. **
What's Jihad Watch got going for it?
** I made that up. I don't know (offhand) when Al-Azhar was founded. A long time ago.
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No my friend, I am an average person who is sick of the black Muslin people taking advantage of our times on this earth and just simply say what is on the mind of the average person. This forum cannot handle the negative truth (other than Loafer) who really cares about the outcome of this Country.
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Quoted because I see that you have taken to edditing your posts.
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Originally posted by Jenkem:
See, this nigg_r of a president that we have that secretly defends instead of bombing radical Muslims and nigg_r activist has
because he knows the fate of he and his nigg_r families lives after his term. Half of the U.S is after his ass. It's all good for the radical Muslims who believe Obamshit is defending them.
By the way, I'm waiting for that scumbag Jaskispyder to chime in of why the world is a perfect place to live. He/She and his perfect world tactics will fail time and time again.
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Originally posted by Jenkem:
No my friend, I am an average person who is sick of the black Muslin people taking advantage of our times on this earth and just simply say what is on the mind of the average person. This forum cannot handle the negative truth (other than Loafer) who really cares about the outcome of this Country.
First off, I am not your friend. I care deeply about the fate of this once great nation. You and your ilk serve only to hasten her demise.
Quoted because I see that you have taken to edditing your posts. First off, I am not your friend. I care deeply about the fate of this once great nation. You and your ilk serve only to hasten her demise.
I'm not seeing your point. I hasten her demise how? I point out the obvious that most white citizens have no nuts to express without being called a racist. I could care less what the NAACP or this forum labels me. While I work my ass off and kill myself for my family, we have a black shitbag for president who obviously lied about his heritage and gives away everything to the minority shitbags in the U.S., a society who are becoming full of pussies that cannot defend themselves and hope for stronger laws to do the work for them, and laws that are completely reverse of the Constitution due to executive order but are enforced by the pussy running this country that was elected by the unemployed, black, 10 child household scum that were promised an "Obamaphone". I think I sum up this society pretty well.
I'm not seeing your point. I hasten her demise how? I point out the obvious that most white citizens have no nuts to express without being called a racist. I could care less what the NAACP or this forum labels me. While I work my ass off and kill myself for my family, we have a black shitbag for president who obviously lied about his heritage and gives away everything to the minority shitbags in the U.S., a society who are becoming full of pussies that cannot defend themselves and hope for stronger laws to do the work for them, and laws that are completely reverse of the Constitution due to executive order but are enforced by the pussy running this country that was elected by the unemployed, black, 10 child household scum that were promised an "Obamaphone". I think I sum up this society pretty well.
Clearly, your refrain from repeating the usage of the N-word indicates you have some conscious understanding of it's obsolescence. Thank you for that much.
But, electing to use the word at all, despite your retreat, exposes your deep nurtured disdain for an inherited pigment condition. Lucky for you to have not been born black. However, that is an assumption on my part since you could be one of the rare few that had a choice in the matter.
But thank you for having the NutZ to reveal yourself in just 18 posts. I truly hope God is not a racist because I have enough sin without the issue of skin color being a factor. But good luck to you, because if God turns out to be black, You better hope his black ass is in a good mood and a since of humor cause your a joke,,,,,
There are differences of opinion about how Islam informs Muslims to conduct themselves in the modern day. Arguments amassed by the various contenders with competing claims to represent the authentic voice of Islam. Arguments involving references and chains of evidence that span almost 1400 years of history, that are so arcane and obscure that even people who spend their entire adult lives immersed in this "discipline" cannot agree on the most fundamental and most significant implications, such as whether it is "legit" (in the eyes of Allah) for Muslims to assemble in a nascent caliphate for the purpose of wreaking havoc upon anyone and everyone (including other Muslims) with different ideas.
I posted the Open Letter Denouncing ISIS with 175 signatories, all Muslims, from 40 different nations, and all with some kind of formal credential from some Muslim institution or other, from "imam" or "scholar", all the way up to Grand Mufti of Egypt and Top Banana of Al-Azhar, which can fairly bill itself as the world's oldest and most celebrated Islamic institution, with "over one million customers served" since 1093 CE. **
What's Jihad Watch got going for it?
** I made that up. I don't know (offhand) when Al-Azhar was founded. A long time ago.
Al-Azhar has been practicing Taqiyya for a while now, that I agree on.
