Not a single person in this thread has made a reasonable argument against the plan. Every single comment is fear mongering words regurgitated without a second thought.
I urge you to remember that the "Great America" that many candidates want to "Return" us to had very high tax rates compared to modern ones, and Bernie's plan is a fraction of those rates.
You guys can leave behind your crumbling roads, failing communication networks, and underfunded schools. Don't worry, your kids will have to rebuild them with scraps while you sit on your pile of money and say "mine". The older generation grew up in an American welfare state, turned around and kicked away the ladder, all while saying "The world is tough, the money will trickle down eventually."
Were you alive when Carter was in office? Ever seen double-digit mortgages and runaway inflation?
Your last paragraph is insulting. "...while you sit on your pile of money and say "mine"." Really? Is that now considered 'community money'? Should the people who earned that money just throw it out to the kids who don't want to pay back their student loans, who defaulted on car payments or credit cards and now moan that they can't get a job that pays $150,000 a year? I'm 49, my father was a WWII vet. Please tell me how I grew up in an American welfare state? We never got a penny from a government program or handout, I was orphaned at 18, and I still managed to pay off my student loans on a $4.00 per hour wage. I am by no means rich but I get by. Just. Enlighten me as to how government taking 52% or more of the money I earn will inspire me to invest a single penny more than I have to in taxable assets? What's my motivation? My pure human kindness to three generations of people after me who think it should all be handed to them? I know people like this - people who believe that individuals and corporations will just sit back and happily pay 80% in taxes to the government. It's childish, foolish thinking. It's the reason Socialism always fails. The only people who think the plan will work are those who don't qualify for the higher rates because "It doesn't effect me." But they plan to benefit from it, don't they?
What have we solved since the New Deal by throwing money at it? Welfare? Social Security? Unemployment?
For damn near 15 years you been all about fixing the system and finding the right path to getting people to do the right thing.
What the hell is this?
There are always different options when we talk about "fixing" something. This, is but one of them, and history has proven time and time again that it 'works'.
Shocked! Shocked! I say at the responses here. No Bernie love.
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Not a single person in this thread has made a reasonable argument against the plan. Every single comment is fear mongering words regurgitated without a second thought.
I urge you to remember that the "Great America" that many candidates want to "Return" us to had very high tax rates compared to modern ones, and Bernie's plan is a fraction of those rates.
You guys can leave behind your crumbling roads, failing communication networks, and underfunded schools. Don't worry, your kids will have to rebuild them with scraps while you sit on your pile of money and say "mine". The older generation grew up in an American welfare state, turned around and kicked away the ladder, all while saying "The world is tough, the money will trickle down eventually."
I think I can help explain some of this.
I like Sanders. I think he's a good guy. Truly, he is the most honest of all those currently running. He has compassion for the little guy, and wants everyone to succeed. He can make anyone smile and feel good.
That doesn't mean I support him for President.
I want fairness for all individuals. I want the most liberty for the people as I can squeeze out. Sanders doesn't want fairness, he wants what he views as the best. He wants free higher education, because he thinks that's best for the people. But that isn't fair to the people that do have to pay for that. They didn't choose to fund student #1189's education. It's not fair to private schools, who are self-managed. He wants socialized medicine, but that isn't fair to the people that do have to pay for that. They didn't choose to fund patient #5690's smoking habit. He wants to raise minimum wage. But that isn't fair to the employer who can't afford minimum wage. And furthermore, it's not fair to the employee whose job becomes too expensive to pay for.
Bernie's voters see the benefits that are given to them but fail to see how unfair it is to people who are hurt by his policies. Yes, we used to have incredibly high income tax rates for the super rich. And you know what? That was still unfair. When Woodrow Wilson introduced income tax, it wasn't meant to be permanent. It was never meant to rise above 3%. It was never meant to be a major source of funding for the general government.
You see the roads that were built through socialized infrastructure and a communication network that hasn't been updated because the government hasn't upgraded it. I see roads that were too expensive and citizens that were forced to pay for roads by threat of prison and a bloated and outdated communication network that the government forced private entities to build and pay for.
Would we be better off without socialized roads, without socialized retirement, and socialized healthcare? I truly doubt it. However, it would be the fairest to all individuals equally. There would be no imbalance. America does need some semblance of socialism because many people are too ****ing stupid to survive under any other form. They would perish. But Bernie wants more more more. He wants to take away from people to give to others by force. That's not.. good. That's not... right. It's certainly not fair. And that's what I care about.
For many people, they consider his policies ridiculous. They don't like paying for other peoples' **** . They don't even like being forced to pay for things which they would use. Let them choose as individuals where to put their money! And they can see the demonization of "the rich" and correctly call it out as unfair, even if they won't ever be a part of that group.
They can see all this by listening to him for a few seconds. So of course they have memes and don't consider articles about how "great" everything will be under Bernie. They understand it isn't fair, and they can't support that. I don't need any hard data to back that up, or any economic professors telling me how great my opinion is and how wrong yours is. It's not fair, and that's what I care about. End of story.
It's time to split our currency into 2 separate forms. 1 currency for Government transactions and tax revenue and 1 for commerce.
The Government must operate under it's currency and the People under their currency, Both with an exchange rate to convert one to another. That exchange rate should be based on balancing the circulating volume of both currencies to keep them in equal number.
It's time to split our currency into 2 separate forms. 1 currency for Government transactions and tax revenue and 1 for commerce.
The Government must operate under it's currency and the People under their currency, Both with an exchange rate to convert one to another. That exchange rate should be based on balancing the circulating volume of both currencies to keep them in equal number.
I can just imagine how that exchange rate will work when it comes to paying taxes. There sure won't be any balance.
For damn near 15 years you been all about fixing the system and finding the right path to getting people to do the right thing.
What the hell is this?
15 years ago this nation wasn't in such sad shape. But if you read carefully, Sanders would only be nuking everyone else. The US would remain in tact. And don't try any of that "but they'll retaliate" crap. We both know full well an overwhelming pre-emptive strike will prevent any retaliation just as Sanders economic plan will cause jobs and income to soar.
15 years ago this nation wasn't in such sad shape. But if you read carefully, Sanders would only be nuking everyone else. The US would remain in tact. And don't try any of that "but they'll retaliate" crap. We both know full well an overwhelming pre-emptive strike will prevent any retaliation just as Sanders economic plan will cause jobs and income to soar.
Excellent points. Many people call what they want "fair" when it's anything but. "Fair" would be everyone paying the same rate of income tax. We all know life isn't fair and never has been. It never will be. Some people are born into wealth, or they have natural athletic ability, or looks, or a brilliant intellect. Others are poor, lame, ugly or stupid. It's not nice to say, but it's reality and it's not fair. The only way any government can establish equality across the board is to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator, and that's not fair to the gifted.
Excellent points. Many people call what they want "fair" when it's anything but. "Fair" would be everyone paying the same rate of income tax. We all know life isn't fair and never has been. It never will be. Some people are born into wealth, or they have natural athletic ability, or looks, or a brilliant intellect. Others are poor, lame, ugly or stupid. It's not nice to say, but it's reality and it's not fair. The only way any government can establish equality across the board is to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator, and that's not fair to the gifted.
Ironically, that is the fairest comparison of the income gap, I have ever seen on the forum. I have always argued that both the give me all your monies, and the your poor because your lazy are both ignoring the whole of the situation, and both are wrong. There really isn't much that can be done to fix the problem, but we could at least acknowledge, that not everyone is rich because they earned it, and not everyone is poor because they are lazy. That said there are plenty that are rich, because they earned it, and plenty that are poor, because they are lazy.
The movie "Rudy" would probably be a decent analogy. The rest of the team were better players (more talent), Rudy worked harder than any of them, but would never have the talent of the other players.
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Id sure consider him if he did, but only to those not allied with the US. One thing I like about Trump, is I think hes got the balls to push a button if pushed. Sometimes an azz kicking is all the bad guys understand. Bullies dont stop what they do until someone stands up to them. Look at N. Korea and Iran for example.
Not a single person in this thread has made a reasonable argument against the plan. Every single comment is fear mongering words regurgitated without a second thought.
I urge you to remember that the "Great America" that many candidates want to "Return" us to had very high tax rates compared to modern ones, and Bernie's plan is a fraction of those rates.
You guys can leave behind your crumbling roads, failing communication networks, and underfunded schools. Don't worry, your kids will have to rebuild them with scraps while you sit on your pile of money and say "mine". The older generation grew up in an American welfare state, turned around and kicked away the ladder, all while saying "The world is tough, the money will trickle down eventually."
I can't speak for anywhere else than where I live, but here, Fort Wayne Community Schools has the highest paid superintendent in the state. She makes significantly more than our state's governor. And do you think our school system is rated the best in the state? NOPE.
We have a feud brewing in the statehouse right now over our "crumbling" roads and bridges. There are some in the statehouse that want to raise gas taxes to increase revenue for improving roads and bridges. However, what they don't tell you is we are already taxed among the 16 highest in the nation but only 1/6 of all gas tax revenue actually goes to the road and bridges fund. The rest of it goes to other things (not relating to road and bridge projects).
Seems to me the ever increasing taxes on the populous just keep going towards hiring more people for administrative positions in government than anything else. Very little trickles down to the "projects" these taxes are intended to pay for.
Not a single person in this thread has made a reasonable argument against the plan. Every single comment is fear mongering words regurgitated without a second thought.
I urge you to remember that the "Great America" that many candidates want to "Return" us to had very high tax rates compared to modern ones, and Bernie's plan is a fraction of those rates.
You guys can leave behind your crumbling roads, failing communication networks, and underfunded schools. Don't worry, your kids will have to rebuild them with scraps while you sit on your pile of money and say "mine". The older generation grew up in an American welfare state, turned around and kicked away the ladder, all while saying "The world is tough, the money will trickle down eventually."
While there is some truth in the ladder being kicked out of under future generations... Taxes were not always higher. We don't need a big government, funded by big taxes. We need a small government, funded by small taxes. Even if things are harder for me, you can keep your welfare state nanny government.
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Prior to the passage of the 16th Amendment in 1913, the United States government funded its operations mainly through excise taxes, tariffs, customs duties and public land sales. The federal government had relatively few expenses compared to today and did not have as much need to raise large amounts of money.
I can't speak for anywhere else than where I live, but here, Fort Wayne Community Schools has the highest paid superintendent in the state. She makes significantly more than our state's governor. And do you think our school system is rated the best in the state? NOPE.
We have a feud brewing in the statehouse right now over our "crumbling" roads and bridges. There are some in the statehouse that want to raise gas taxes to increase revenue for improving roads and bridges. However, what they don't tell you is we are already taxed among the 16 highest in the nation but only 1/6 of all gas tax revenue actually goes to the road and bridges fund. The rest of it goes to other things (not relating to road and bridge projects).
Seems to me the ever increasing taxes on the populous just keep going towards hiring more people for administrative positions in government than anything else. Very little trickles down to the "projects" these taxes are intended to pay for.
The people allow our appointed and elected to be fast and loose with the money. Either through ignorance or apathy. Either way nothing matters until people want to know what is going on.
So elect whomever you want. It matters nothing other than a quicker or slower demise.
The people allow our appointed and elected to be fast and loose with the money. Either through ignorance or apathy. Either way nothing matters until people want to know what is going on.
So elect whomever you want. It matters nothing other than a quicker or slower demise.
I can't speak for anywhere else than where I live, but here, Fort Wayne Community Schools has the highest paid superintendent in the state. She makes significantly more than our state's governor. And do you think our school system is rated the best in the state? NOPE.
We have a feud brewing in the statehouse right now over our "crumbling" roads and bridges. There are some in the statehouse that want to raise gas taxes to increase revenue for improving roads and bridges. However, what they don't tell you is we are already taxed among the 16 highest in the nation but only 1/6 of all gas tax revenue actually goes to the road and bridges fund. The rest of it goes to other things (not relating to road and bridge projects).
Seems to me the ever increasing taxes on the populous just keep going towards hiring more people for administrative positions in government than anything else. Very little trickles down to the "projects" these taxes are intended to pay for.
Yep existing taxes are supposed to pay for this stuff, it is notjustified to raise them just to waste more.
