An then you had folks like Scott Walker, who are so genuine they cant get nominated.
Maybe Scotty should stop trying to get bills passed where he can't be investigated any more for ethics violations and more people would like and trust him.
During the Civil War, Lincoln and several of his cabinet members would be petitioned to support business interests in the lobby of the Willard hotel in Washington. That's where the term Lobbyist comes from. Since that point forward, businesses and now corporations have had increasing influence and power in the realm of politics. You or I may believe we voted in someone who will work for us, but likely they already work for a business interest as well. The fact that we have a representative government, and not too many referendums hit the ballot that voters get to sound off on, then that is the US moving further away from citizens being involved in government and instead ceding power to business.
I believe every day more power is in the hands of corporations and less in the hands of we the people is the road to becoming a more pure and recognizable oligarchy, and it has been happening slowly for 150 years. Corporations are making the rules for us, politicians listen, follow through with their wishes, and enjoy their political donations.
Corporate interests control the direction of this country more and more every day.
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I doubt anyone trusts any of the nominees, and really they shouldnt.
A sentiment I can get behind, but my point was Walker is being a bad boy in public and his bill to block ethic investigations (of which he has already had 2..) stinks that much more.
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Either way, look at what 1 despot like Soros can do to the world. The Koch brothers are just two people and look at their influence. And Dennis 6 wants you to believe that they can't have any influence because they're only one or a few people. Soros is the same religious/ethnic lineage as Barbara Lerner Spectre discussed in the French terrorism thread. For that matter, I believe the Kochs probably are too. Patterns mean something, whether it's Bloomberg, Feinstein, Boxer, Waxman, Wasserman-Shultz, Adelson, Rangle or any of the similar ideologies from the same type of people.
Edit to add: I tend to lean to the Kochs ideology, but items like them politically lobbying for legislation against individuals going solar for power are Draconian.
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Yeah it would break my heart if corporations could no longer make ANY campaign contributions. Actually, that should be the law.
NO, it should not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what should happen is it be a no strings attached campaign contributions.. OH WAIT THEY ARE the problem isn't the corporations donating, it's the people that are running,, when they get in, the don't have to do anything for any person or company that donated campaign contributions.. They CHOOSE TO!!!!!!!!!!!!..
The real problem is we the people.. for the most part we as a group don't give a fly'n fluck what goes on in Washington.. other than read about it and bitsh . If the rep's were not working for the people and only doing work for corporations,, the gays, the greenies, the minority's, etc would also get blown off,, they don't why,, because the are organized, they spend time writing their reps. calling them, stopping by their office.. most of the rest of us, sit back and look at sports stats. most could not list (without looking it up) what is on the docket for today in the house and senate.. THAT IS THE PROBLEM Your rep's don't have a crystal ball, they can't know what issue's you think need going over, if you can't be bothered to write them, or stop by or call.. If, half that complained about the way the US of A is circling the drain, and how those in d.c. are lemmies.. got involved in knowing what is going on, and contacting their rep.s with 1/5th of the effort they put into knowing the sports stats, or who screwed who in Hollywood.. we not be complaining as much.. just because you voted for your rep. you can't put it on auto pilot and hope they do what you think they should... the squeaky wheel gets the oil.. those that stay quiet tend to not be heard..
The US has been ruled by corporations for over a century. The Fed Reserve dictates policy as do it's sister central banks around the world. Corporations are now people, completing the noose. Loik at all the welfare recipients we complain about. All that money goes to corporations. Obama phones, utilities, medical, prescriptions, free school lunch. Corporations LOVE welfare programs. Government pays timely and well.
The people who get in are those ALLOWED in. The staffers control everything internal once someone's elected. Those elected are forced to work in the system that ia controlled by two facets: the donors who make and break them, and the lifeling unelected party staffers who distribute the donor funds and divvy out leadership roles.
If you don't conform, you get no money, get blacklisted, get no committee roles and the money/staffers back a better monkey in the next cycle. We the people are NO competition for the corporate and government masters controlling this game.
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Originally posted by E.Furgal: NO, it should not!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what should happen is it be a no strings attached campaign contributions.. OH WAIT THEY ARE the problem isn't the corporations donating, it's the people that are running,, when they get in, the don't have to do anything for any person or company that donated campaign contributions.. They CHOOSE TO!!!!!!!!!!!!..
The real problem is we the people.. for the most part we as a group don't give a fly'n fluck what goes on in Washington.. other than read about it and bitsh . If the rep's were not working for the people and only doing work for corporations,, the gays, the greenies, the minority's, etc would also get blown off,, they don't why,, because the are organized, they spend time writing their reps. calling them, stopping by their office.. most of the rest of us, sit back and look at sports stats. most could not list (without looking it up) what is on the docket for today in the house and senate.. THAT IS THE PROBLEM Your rep's don't have a crystal ball, they can't know what issue's you think need going over, if you can't be bothered to write them, or stop by or call.. If, half that complained about the way the US of A is circling the drain, and how those in d.c. are lemmies.. got involved in knowing what is going on, and contacting their rep.s with 1/5th of the effort they put into knowing the sports stats, or who screwed who in Hollywood.. we not be complaining as much.. just because you voted for your rep. you can't put it on auto pilot and hope they do what you think they should... the squeaky wheel gets the oil.. those that stay quiet tend to not be heard..
Originally posted by E.Furgal: the problem isn't the corporations donating, it's the people that are running,, when they get in, the don't have to do anything for any person or company that donated campaign contributions.. They CHOOSE TO!!!!!!!!!!!!..
The real problem is we the people.. for the most part we as a group don't give a fly'n fluck what goes on in Washington.. other than read about it and bitsh . If the rep's were not working for the people and only doing work for corporations,, the gays, the greenies, the minority's, etc would also get blown off,, they don't why,, because the are organized, they spend time writing their reps. calling them, stopping by their office.. most of the rest of us, sit back and look at sports stats.
...you can't put it on auto pilot and hope they do what you think they should... the squeaky wheel gets the oil.. those that stay quiet tend to not be heard..
I agree with your points, including clueless coasting citizens. The main problem is corruption, politicians being bought, follow the money. How do you put an end to the corruption? It shouldnt be about money or favors to decision makers at all, only about voice and we all should have one. Maybe reigning it all in to nil $ is a good place to start.
To me corporations are employers and they have their employees as part of their interests which are jobs for thise employees, so it gets tricky saying people arent part of corporations, as some say.
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I agree with your points, including clueless coasting citizens. The main problem is corruption, politicians being bought, follow the money. How do you put an end to the corruption? It shouldnt be about money or favors to decision makers at all, only about voice and we all should have one. Maybe reigning it all in to nil $ is a good place to start.
To me corporations are employers and they have their employees as part of their interests which are jobs for thise employees, so it gets tricky saying people arent part of corporations, as some say.
no, reigning in the $ won't do crap, as they'll get around that with a loop hole, I, in my last post, said how to reign it in.. if those that the rep. was representing held their feet to the fire, instead of putting it on auto pilot until the next voting cycle, it do 1000x more, but we the people are we the lazy people THAT is the problem.. Even a thief when he knows he is being watched is a good boy.. watch your rep like a hawk and always forcing them to explain their actions, and they will be the good boy,, not the corrupt thief
if those that the rep. was representing held their feet to the fire, instead of putting it on auto pilot until the next voting cycle, it do 1000x more, but we the people are we the lazy people THAT is the problem..
So, if that is all we will try and fix, the only thing that will motivate that is hard times. Hard times get offset by paying the poor with other peoples money. Vicious circle. Follow the money.
It that is truly true.. then we are done for.. as we the people will have earned the end of the US of A..
When the founding fathers wrote The iconic words on paper We the people they assumed the people would be involved and invest the energy needed..
we the people , government by the people for the people.. that only works when those "people" bother to be involved
The people have to be moral as well.
George Washington, " Religion and morality are the essential pillars of civil society."
Gouverneur Morris, Penman and Signer of the Constitution. "[F]or avoiding the extremes of despotism or anarchy . . . the only ground of hope must be on the morals of the people. I believe that religion is the only solid base of morals and that morals are the only possible support of free governments."
