The White House has officially branded the shooting as a "heartbreaking circumstance." Him and his wife then tweeted "From my family to yours, Eid Mubarak", a celebratory message for Islam.
Here's a wake up call to the president. There was nothing circumstantial about this shooting. This was a muslim scumbag doing what their religions tells them to do. Kill non-believers. And you then have the audicity to join these same animals in a call to celebrate their twisted faith?
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The White House has officially branded the shooting as a "heartbreaking circumstance." Him and his wife then tweeted "From my family to yours, Eid Mubarak", a celebratory message for Islam.
Here's a wake up call to the president. There was nothing circumstantial about this shooting. This was a muslim scumbag doing what their religions tells them to do. Kill non-believers. And you then have the audicity to join these same animals in a call to celebrate their twisted faith?
I would like to parrot a comment made in the comments section there.
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"Obama is a heck of a team player, too bad he's not playing for our team."
I'll go out on a limb here and guess that Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez was a Muslim inspired to make a lone wolf attack by ISIS. Should that prove out to be true, that would mean we've had someone who reveres the Islamic flag commit a mass killing, so now we can ban all Islamic symbols from the nation.
I find this symbol of hatred, violence and murder offensive and demand any symbols remotely similar to it be remove from the US.
I'm sure all the flag attacking Liberals will rally to this new cause as well.
That was also the gang symbol for the El Rukns street gang out of Chicago. It made it difficult to bust them for gang symbols (at the prison) since they had a right to religious freedom.
That was also the gang symbol for the El Rukns street gang out of Chicago. It made it difficult to bust them for gang symbols (at the prison) since they had a right to religious freedom.
Maybe they were just representing the Confederacy (Van Dorn's Corps).
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The truth is still hurtful to so many. Allah destroys. Blacks are still 200 times more prevalent in murders than whites. I have hated allah well before 9/11. For my own learned reasons. I have not hated blacks. Yet. Only showing statistics, not my heartfelt feelings on reality.
A change is coming. I give you something, and you take my rights? Do not take anything from me. Ask, and I shall give. I will give until you deceive me, or until I realize that I have been deceived. After the deception, I am unable to forgive.
The White House has officially branded the shooting as a "heartbreaking circumstance." Him and his wife then tweeted "From my family to yours, Eid Mubarak", a celebratory message for Islam.
You are incorrect, the Obama tweet you refer to was sent out 2 hours before the shooting happened. Here's a wake up call to the president. There was nothing circumstantial about this shooting. This was a muslim scumbag doing what their religions tells them to do. Kill non-believers. And you then have the audicity to join these same animals in a call to celebrate their twisted faith?
That was also the gang symbol for the El Rukns street gang out of Chicago. It made it difficult to bust them for gang symbols (at the prison) since they had a right to religious freedom.
In Ca. black prison gangs claimed to be muslums to get church privileges so they could do gang business alone. They mostly follow racists like farrakhan.
Maybe they were just representing the Confederacy (Van Dorn's Corps).
Not the first time you have tried pushing that obvious quasi-religious angle on the Van Dorn Corps civil war battle flag, but as always, Marxist Socialists are really *bad* with history, or just being *honest* about it.
"4th Missouri Infantry Regiment When General Earl Van Dorn was assigned a Corps in the Army of the West in the trans-Mississippi theater, he personally designed this type flag for his command. Known as a "Van Dorn flag," it saw use until after the fall of Vicksburg in the west.
When General Van Dorn became Commander of the Army of the West in 1862 his flag came with him. Arriving too late to fight at Shiloh, Van Dorn's troops began adopting this flag in June, with the first issues (with slightly different star pattern and fringed edges) going to the Missouri Brigade. In August, the rest of the army received these flags which first saw use at Iuka and Corinth where some examples were captured. The crescent is taken from the Missouri state Coat of Arms was designed to inspire Missouri troops as they crossed east of the Mississippi River. "
Originally posted by Rickady88GT: And NASA is working on a muslum outreach program that will improve relations and dispel misconceptions about islam within American culture.
No, it's not. Not exactly. Back in 2010, Charles Bolden, who was (and still is) the chief executive officer for NASA made a brief remark in a casual or off-handed way, not thinking too hard about the wording, and that is how this highly exaggerated notion of a major NASA "outreach" with Muslims got started. It wasn't long (just a few days) before the White House and NASA "walked it back" with statements clarifying that this was not any kind of major NASA priority, and also that NASA was interested in Science contacts and information exchanges with Muslim-majority countries, but the focus was on Science, not on Islamic culture or any specifically Muslim-related issues.
It was a new topic of discussion because prior to this time during the Obama administration, the interest level among the various Muslim-majority countries in Science payloads and human-crewed Missions was not that significant. There had already been Muslim and Arab nation communications satellites, and Muslim and Arab astronauts aboard some of the human-crewed U.S. and Russian space missions, but the appetite among the various Muslim-majority and Arab countries for Space related activities had reached new levels by 2010, when Mr. Bolden probably became the first NASA administrator to directly refer to Muslims in any public remark.
If anyone wants to see the full extent of the NASA-Muslim "mashup"--the full extent of what is going on at NASA that has any particular connection with Muslims--it is available online:
It is apparent from these viewgraphs that the NASA-Muslim nexus wasn't that big of a deal, and it was all about Science cooperation and interchanges, and nothing at all about the theological or philosophical ruminations of the (very) late Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim, or as we usually just say, "Mohammed" (PBUH).
Has this NASA-Muslim connection expanded in any large way since these viewgraphs from 2010?
I doubt it. I certainly haven't stumbled upon any evidence of that in my Web surfing, and I do have to confess to being a habitual, daily Web surfer with an eye out for any NASA-related news.
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When I lived in England the Troubles were happening (the problems between the IRA and the British government). You had to be cautious as IRA extremists could blend in with the population and you never knew when a terror act would happen (for instance the 96 bombing of Manchester city centre: https://en.wikipedia.org/wi...Manchester_bombing). I visited the city after the attack. It was horrific. Now it seems we are in a similar position in the states. Extremists can blend right in. They do not need to be involved formally in ISIS or any other organisation in order to be influenced by them. Sadly now this kind of violence may occur at any time and anywhere.
Just out of interest: did anyone else here think that I was actually suggesting that the members of the (black, muslim) El Rukn street gang from Chicago were "representing" a confederate battle flag?
Anyone (other than randye, of course)?
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Just out of interest: did anyone else here think that I was actually suggesting that the members of the (black, muslim) El Rukn street gang from Chicago were "representing" a confederate battle flag?
Anyone (other than randye, of course)?
Yes you "actually suggested" it; however, I understand that doesn't mean you believe it. You post what you post in order to offend as many people as possible. Whether it's true or you actually believe it has never seemed to matter so long as your words enrage.
Yes you "actually suggested" it; however, I understand that doesn't mean you believe it. You post what you post in order to offend as many people as possible. Whether it's true or you actually believe it has never seemed to matter so long as your words enrage.
Does the stick up your behind hurt when you're walking?
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- When speaking to Conservatives or Republicans, always claim that they are all racist white men. Regardless of the MILLIONS of minorities that are Conservative you must always claim they are all racist whites.
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more and more like rayb every day
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As good as it gets... positive feedback from another satisfied customer:
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Originally posted by loafer87gt: Looks like one of rinselberg's scumbag Muslim friends was behind this. Shooter has been identified as Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez. . . .
Maybe I can at least narrow the gap. I find this, from williegoat (on another thread), to be an excellent statement. I agree with this one hundred percent:
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I make a distinction between religion and theocracy. Religion is only that which one comes to, willingly. Theocracy is when government usurps religion. Religion is guidance, theocracy is law.
In most all of the Muslim-majority nations around the globe today, with hardly an exception of any significance, we non-Muslims are looking at Islam as it is lived within the framework of Islamic theocracies. These are governments that impose their versions of sharia or Islamic aw (it does have some variances from one Muslim country to another; in practice, at least; if not in theory) within their borders, and discriminate between their Muslim and non-Muslim citizens. It's profoundly un-American (and un-Canadian).
I don't believe that theocracy is one of Islam's core values. It's just a very bad habit that has been adopted by Muslims, that has settled in around the globe over many centuries with the unyielding stubbornness of--well--a very bad habit.
There are many here who will rush in at this point and say that for Muslims, the goal of a caliphate or Islamic theocracy for this world is required by this section or verse of the Qur'an and this other section or verse of the Qur'an, and this other one and that other section or verses and so on; practically without end.
Anyone who has presented this forum with any of the Qur'an's thematically forceful or warlike verses that have been translated into English as "If someone refuses to submit to Islam and conform to the norms of Muslim-ism, kill them" (in so many words; there are many verses that carry this theme), has likely had the experience of being followed with a post (most likely from me; maybe someone else from time to time) that quotes some other verse from the Qur'an that says "There is no compulsion in religion", or "Use the most decorous and logical arguments to convert non-believers to Islam, and if they are still not ready, then let it pass until another day" or "As described in a particular episode from the Hadith, the Prophet Mohammed concluded a peace treaty with the pagan tribes of the nearby Lollipop Mountains and ensured that all Muslims abided by this treaty, so long as the pagans also abided by this treaty and presented no threat to any Muslims".
That's how I see the oldest and most foundational texts of Islam: Not at all straightforward to interpret, as far as what they provide in the way of guidance to contemporary Muslims. It's like Tuesdays, Thursdays and Friday afternoons, the Prophet was Mr Nice Guy, and the rest of the week, the Prophet was the ugly and murderous Mr Hyde face of the proverbial Jekyll-and-Hyde duality.
And so it goes with the "necessity" of a global caliphate, which is currently approximated by the reality of thirty or forty or however many Muslim-majority nations around the world today that function as Islamic theocracies, instead of secular democracies. Many here say that caliphate is written out as a requirement for Muslims in the Qur'an; that caliphate is part of the "DNA" of Islam. I'm not convinced. I know I can find authors on the topic of Islam who can support that view. It certainly seems like an overwhelming majority of Muslims in the Muslim-majority countries lean hard that way.
But I have found and posted about other authors with Muslim names and origins that see it differently. They have said that based on their readings of the foundational texts, Allah would be most pleased for Muslims to come to their Islamic faith freely by choice, within the framework of secular, Western-style democracies. The author that I am thinking of in particular was not excluding the Muslims of Saudi Arabia or Egypt (for examples) from this bright sunlit prospective. But as a realist, he expected it to be a change that would eventually migrate from the minority Muslims of the U.S. and other secular democracies to the Muslim dominated theocracies like Saudi Arabia and Egypt. Muslims that are "here" will experience it before the much larger number of Muslims that are "there".
Who was that author? Abdullah Saeed, who is (or was) Sultan of Oman Professor of Arab and Islamic Studies at the University of Melbourne, Australia.
A link? No, you don't really want it. And I've already posted it.
Has this post made the distance from myself to "you" on this topic any smaller? Even by just a fraction? Has it narrowed the gap?
I do not value discord for the sake of discord.
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That's how I see the oldest and most foundational texts of Islam: Not at all straightforward to interpret, as far as what they provide in the way of guidance to contemporary Muslims. It's like Tuesdays, Thursdays and Friday afternoons, the Prophet was Mr Nice Guy, and the rest of the week, the Prophet was the ugly and murderous Mr Hyde face of the proverbial Jekyll-and-Hyde duality.
Irrelevant. Makes no difference how you (or I or any other) non-Muslim sees it.
The govts don't usurp the religion--the religion usurps the govt, and has (as you stated) for centuries.
The other half of Williegoat's belief, perhaps an emotional yet very reasonable epiphany:
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I made up my mind after the Boston bombing, but at this point it is beyond comprehension that anyone could deny that islam is anything other than a murderous cult.
I understand that most muslims will never kill or maim, just as most fire extinguishers will never put out a fire, yet that is their sole reason for existence. ... I have a deep and abiding respect for most religions and those who honestly adhere to their teachings, and I tried really hard, for a very long time to include islam and it's followers in that group, but there came a time when I could no longer ignore the consistent and overwhelming evidence.
This guy tried to get a job at Perry Nuclear Power Plant. Appears he had some other irons in the fire at one time. I shudder to think the damage one could do if one was to gain access to one of these facilities.
CLEVELAND, Ohio -- Muhammad Youssef Abdulazeez, the gunman who is being accused of shooting up a military recruiting station in Chattanooga before killing four Marines and wounding a police officer Thursday, was a conditional employee of the Perry nuclear power plant in Northeast Ohio during 2013.
Abdulazeez worked for the power plant from May 20 to May 30, 2013, but failed FirstEnergy's screening process, said spokeswoman Jennifer Young.
"He failed to meet our minimum requirements for employment," she said, adding that she could not elaborate. "In the 10 days during the screening process, he was classified as a conditional employee."
Abdulazeez and other applicants attended general-training classes at the plant's administration building while FirstEnergy did background checks.
"He was never inside the plant. He did not have any company documents. He was received like any member of the public," Young said.
Some of Perry's employees watching television coverage of Thursday's shooting events recognized Abdulazeez and told Perry managers, who on Friday informed the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.
What has this Obama said about this? I heard that he is on a visiting vacation of New York City. Will he use the "n" word in a speech this week? Miley is blowing up Twitter or some such in an American Flag swimsuit. She is a real winner.
Shootings going on, taking Soldiers lives on American soil, and we are still partying. Our POTUS is on vacation? Acts of war are happening all around us. Wow.
Wrestled with whether to post this or not since it likely won't be well received. There is truth to it when looking at the mechanics of the mind.
I wonder how much a role anti-Islam bigotry plays in attacks like this.
A long time ago I had a girlfriend who constantly accused me of cheating on her. If we were at eating out, I was sleeping with the pretty young waitress. In the grocery store, it was the check out clerk. She would go through my mail looking for female co-workers with whom I was communicating with and confront me about it. I would just brush it off. I knew I was faithful so it never concerned me. It actually fed my ego a bit. After awhile she became convinced I was and started punishing me for it. In my mind, I began to wonder, why not go ahead cheat? I'm already paying for it. The least I could do is actually commit the crime I was already paying for, right? I never did and to this day haven't in any relationship. As you can imagine the relationship came to an end. She was a good woman but delusional.
I think about this time in my life when thinking about what it must be like to be a Muslim man or woman in America today. Most Americans automatically think you're a threat even though you're not. You're treated like a security threat everywhere you go. After awhile, do they just want to give in and start believing the hate projected at them?
It's absolutely no excuse for the violence. But I can't help but wonder if the anti-Islam sentiment is self fullfilling.
Wrestled with whether to post this or not since it likely won't be well received. There is truth to it when looking at the mechanics of the mind.
I wonder how much a role anti-Islam bigotry plays in attacks like this.
A long time ago I had a girlfriend who constantly accused me of cheating on her. If we were at eating out, I was sleeping with the pretty young waitress. In the grocery store, it was the check out clerk. She would go through my mail looking for female co-workers with whom I was communicating with and confront me about it. I would just brush it off. I knew I was faithful so it never concerned me. It actually fed my ego a bit. After awhile she became convinced I was and started punishing me for it. In my mind, I began to wonder, why not go ahead cheat? I'm already paying for it. The least I could do is actually commit the crime I was already paying for, right? I never did and to this day haven't in any relationship. As you can imagine the relationship came to an end. She was a good woman but delusional.
I think about this time in my life when thinking about what it must be like to be a Muslim man or woman in America today. Most Americans automatically think you're a threat even though you're not. You're treated like a security threat everywhere you go. After awhile, do they just want to give in and start believing the hate projected at them?
It's absolutely no excuse for the violence. But I can't help but wonder if the anti-Islam sentiment is self fullfilling.
Making the shooter, what? the ----------------------victim? Yeah--sure.
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Agreed, blame the victims and not the criminal crap has to end. If anything we kiss their butts.... Right after the shooting, we light the empire state building up in green to celebrate a Islamic holiday. http://www.timesofisrael.co...turns-green-for-eid/ Iconic New York City skyscraper lit up in honor of Muslim holiday marking end of Ramadan
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Wrestled with whether to post this or not since it likely won't be well received. There is truth to it when looking at the mechanics of the mind.
I wonder how much a role anti-Islam bigotry plays in attacks like this.
A long time ago I had a girlfriend who constantly accused me of cheating on her. If we were at eating out, I was sleeping with the pretty young waitress. In the grocery store, it was the check out clerk. She would go through my mail looking for female co-workers with whom I was communicating with and confront me about it. I would just brush it off. I knew I was faithful so it never concerned me. It actually fed my ego a bit. After awhile she became convinced I was and started punishing me for it. In my mind, I began to wonder, why not go ahead cheat? I'm already paying for it. The least I could do is actually commit the crime I was already paying for, right? I never did and to this day haven't in any relationship. As you can imagine the relationship came to an end. She was a good woman but delusional.
I think about this time in my life when thinking about what it must be like to be a Muslim man or woman in America today. Most Americans automatically think you're a threat even though you're not. You're treated like a security threat everywhere you go. After awhile, do they just want to give in and start believing the hate projected at them?
It's absolutely no excuse for the violence. But I can't help but wonder if the anti-Islam sentiment is self fullfilling.
This is just one of the reasons that I do not think like a liberal.
The Empire State Building is lit in green July 17, 2015 in New York City to celebrate the Eid al-Fitr holiday that marks the end of Ramadan. (AFP PHOTO/BRIGITTE DUSSEAU)
The Times of Israel
New York’s Empire State Building was lit in green late Friday to celebrate the Eid al-Fitr holiday that marks the end of Ramadan.
The green light will shine until the famous skyscraper closes to the public at 2:00 am (0600 GMT), when the building traditionally turns out its lights.
The skyscraper has carried out the tradition “for several years now — it is an annual lighting,” a building spokeswoman told AFP.
The Empire State Building famously shines specific colors for a number of religious holidays — pastel shades for Easter, blue and white for Hanukkah, and red and green for Christmas.
It also has marked a number of events — red, white and blue for the US women’s World Cup victory, rainbow colors for gay Pride Week, and blue, white and purple for World Oceans Day on June 8.
The tower is otherwise illuminated in white each night.
The privately-owned building receives hundreds of requests each year to be lit in particular colors for various causes and events.
Although it does not make its selection process public, it does not accept requests for political campaigns, religious figures and organizations, or personal events.
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The Empire State Building is lit in green July 17, 2015 in New York City to celebrate the Eid al-Fitr holiday that marks the end of Ramadan. (AFP PHOTO/BRIGITTE DUSSEAU)
The Times of Israel
New York’s Empire State Building was lit in green late Friday to celebrate the Eid al-Fitr holiday that marks the end of Ramadan.
The green light will shine until the famous skyscraper closes to the public at 2:00 am (0600 GMT), when the building traditionally turns out its lights.
The skyscraper has carried out the tradition “for several years now — it is an annual lighting,” a building spokeswoman told AFP.
The Empire State Building famously shines specific colors for a number of religious holidays — pastel shades for Easter, blue and white for Hanukkah, and red and green for Christmas.
It also has marked a number of events — red, white and blue for the US women’s World Cup victory, rainbow colors for gay Pride Week, and blue, white and purple for World Oceans Day on June 8.
The tower is otherwise illuminated in white each night.
The privately-owned building receives hundreds of requests each year to be lit in particular colors for various causes and events.
Although it does not make its selection process public, it does not accept requests for political campaigns, religious figures and organizations, or personal events.
So it would have been ok to light the Empire State Building up like the confederate battle flag, one day after Dylan Roof's massacre? What if it landed on confederate day? The answer is no. BTW, that is the first time it has been lit up in honor of Ramadan. Thank you rinselberg, for correcting.
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Do not take anything from me. Ask, and I shall give. I will give until you deceive me, or until I realize that I have been deceived. After the deception, I am unable to forgive.
Is this really how New Yorkers, or Americans for that matter celebrate jihad?
