An Oceanside-based gun parts store has incited nationwide controversy over an item dubbed “The Obama’s Blaster” – controversy the store’s owner welcomes.
Ares Armor owner Dimitrios Karras told NBC 7 he has received a slew of death threats after naming a $550 AR-15 gun barrel “The Obama’s Blaster” as a joke. "I mean, we had one guy who literally said he wished he had a rocket launcher to shoot rockets at us because we named a product after the president,” said Karras. “He's so anti-gun that he's become pro-rocket.”
In a YouTube video and description dripping with sarcasm, Ares Armor thanks President “Barrack” Obama for being “the distinguished firearms industry spokesman and salesman of all time.”
“So you're making not so subtle hints at killing the President. Congrats! You're right up there with ISIS, you unpatriotic pieces of s***,” one viewer commented.
Not everyone is offended, of course. In two different online polls, the overwhelming response has been that it's "funny". You can vote in one poll here: http://www.utsandiego.com/p...r-obamas-blaster-hp/
As you might imagine when you offend pacifist liberals, he's been receiving death threats. One person said he wished he had a rocket launcher to shoot at him, and one comment was about starting a Whitehouse petition to have them declared a terrorist group and sent to Gitmo.
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Originally posted by Formula88: As you might imagine when you offend pacifist liberals, he's been receiving death threats. One person said he wished he had a rocket launcher to shoot at him, and one comment was about starting a Whitehouse petition to have them declared a terrorist group and sent to Gitmo.
You know I am not a fan of either party but damn, Liberals Are the biggest crybaby Hippocrates of all time!!!!!!!
I think its funny, but I am Pro GUN, even though I am living in Canada and don't own a hand gun. I think the US Government should order a ton of those and issue them to the lead troops in conflict areas. They can run around screaming YOU HAVE BEEN OBAMED......"
Just so long as they don't name one "The Canadian Baconater" or anything to that effect.
Maybe RagHead Ripper, or ISIS ICER, OMG I could get myself into real trouble coming up with bad names for East Indian Muslim Extremists.
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Ares is already on the black list for the DoJ and BATF. I would not be surprised to hear that congress wants to 'investigate' them now..
Expect the IRS to come a knocking.. they have almost no rules and can take down a company faster than you can say "oh sh---- the feds are outside"
Well, they've already been raided by the ATF, after having an injunction to prevent a raid put in place, and had hundreds of thousands of dollars of inventory confiscated. They let the time elapse to file charges but refuse to return the evidence. They also seized customer lists.
Ares Armor sued claiming the ATF gave false information to acquire the warrants - and Ares won their case. They have more cases against the ATF pending.
From Ares Armor's Facebook page when Dimitrios Karras was invited to ATF offices to pick up some seized evidence...
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I have been invited to the ATF's office to pick up some items they say they want to return.
When making decisions, good men do not ponder if their actions will bring harm upon themselves. Their only thoughts are of moral conscience. Their only desires are what is right. Their actions, seemingly fearless, are accomplished not without fear but are accomplished despite fear. On my way to their office, my thoughts are of my beautiful daughter who just turned nine last Friday. I hope one day you are as proud of me as I am of you. I hope one day you understand that your dad loves you more than anything on the planet and I pray you act according to your heart and your conscience no matter what the cost.
If evil befalls me today and I am unjustly arrested, know that I will not stop laughing.
I am unarmed, I am ready. I feel nothing but joy for how I have lived my life. Forgive the men and women who do you wrong. They know not what they do. Forgiveness, kindness, laughter... These are my weapons.
To live without allowing fear to hinder your moral conscience is truly the way to fulfillment and happiness. No matter what happens, they will not break my spirit.
Thank you all!
Semper Fidelis
I will update you all as soon as I am able.
-Dimitri
The meeting turned out ok...
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They played it straight! They informed me that after reading my declaration in the recent motion we made to unseal the affidavit for the search warrant, they felt they should get stuff back to us.
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It's interesting that veterans have been targeted by the Feds as potential domestic terrorists. Perhaps it's because they know that after risking our lives in foreign lands, the threat of wrongful imprisonment isn't really that effective. If we were willing to risk our lives, what is it to us to risk our freedom? They need fear to control us. They see more and more people letting their fear go. They know that the idea of liberty is contagious. It is spreading like a wildfire right now. Long Live the Republic!
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I am pro gun, even pro build your own gun, I sell gun parts. Ares should not be in business.
The trouble they got in with the atf with their plastic lower was a joke, they made incomplete lowers without making sure it followed atf guidlines and didn't bother to get a letter from the atf saying it was kosher. While I disagree that the trigger group pocket it's formed in the manufacturing, the holes for the pins where clearly marked and that alone was enough to be regulated by the atf.
“The court finds that the metal flat shipped to Prince is not a firearm. The court carefully considered the expert testimony of Agent Adam Galbraith, and reviewed the material submitted by the government concerning ATF opinions. However, the court simply does not believe that a flat piece of metal with laser perforations and holes constitutes a “receiver,” i.e., a “firearm.” Rather, the flat piece of metal is somewhat akin to a piece of paper with lines drawn on it as a guide to make a paper airplane. Although making the paper airplane might be the intended use, it is not an airplane until it is properly folded. Until that time, it is a patterned piece of paper. Simply put, this court has no evidentiary or legal basis for holding that a flat piece of metal with laser perforations and some holes constitutes, ultimately, a “firearm.””
Here is the letter from the atf and what justified the ATF raid, however the atf did not handle it in the appropriate way as they are known for since Waco.
Ares is a trouble maker and blindly supporting them because they make guns and you like guns is just as bad as any other extremist.
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As long as they stay within the law then they are being good citizens and deserve support. Our founding fathers were 'troublemakers'. Have we become sheep as a society " oooo dont rock the boat "?
“The court finds that the metal flat shipped to Prince is not a firearm. The court carefully considered the expert testimony of Agent Adam Galbraith, and reviewed the material submitted by the government concerning ATF opinions. However, the court simply does not believe that a flat piece of metal with laser perforations and holes constitutes a “receiver,” i.e., a “firearm.” Rather, the flat piece of metal is somewhat akin to a piece of paper with lines drawn on it as a guide to make a paper airplane. Although making the paper airplane might be the intended use, it is not an airplane until it is properly folded. Until that time, it is a patterned piece of paper. Simply put, this court has no evidentiary or legal basis for holding that a flat piece of metal with laser perforations and some holes constitutes, ultimately, a “firearm.””
Until they decide to go with thought crime, and 'suspicion of intent' is enough to jail you. Even if you buy the flat/80%/whatever, it doesn't mean you actually intend to assemble it. It could just be a cool paperweight or wall decoration. ( or just buying a "bad" book, or looking up something in the library or online the feds dont approve of today.. )
As long as they stay within the law then they are being good citizens and deserve support. Our founding fathers were 'troublemakers'. Have we become sheep as a society " oooo dont rock the boat "?
Ares broke the law, said they didn't and are not pushing to change the law that may or may not violate their rights. Our founding fathers found the law violated their rights and took action to fix it. Comparing Ares to our founding fathers is BS.
Ares broke the law, said they didn't and are not pushing to change the law that may or may not violate their rights. Our founding fathers found the law violated their rights and took action to fix it. Comparing Ares to our founding fathers is BS.
If they broke the law, then why are they still operating/not in jail?
Being sheep is BS. Comparing different groups that stand up against an out of control government over individual rights is fair game.
( and if you remember, our founding fathers DID break the law. Unjust law. With a lot higher stakes. )
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I am pro gun, even pro build your own gun, I sell gun parts. Ares should not be in business.
The trouble they got in with the atf with their plastic lower was a joke, they made incomplete lowers without making sure it followed atf guidlines and didn't bother to get a letter from the atf saying it was kosher. Ares is poking the bear.
Who is poking the bear ? Where in the Second Amendment does it say to follow ATF guidelines ? Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms ? What a mismatched mission that is. Who linked those issues together ? Jeeze, the is an agency to mismanage every aspect of our lives, .
Originally posted by jmbishop: Ares is a trouble maker and blindly supporting them because they make guns and you like guns is just as bad as any other extemist.
Your reaching there, . Not that there is any thing wrong with being an extremist. That would depend on what you are extreme about. Do we call the tax "dodgers" who utilize every aspect of the tax law extremists ?
Who is poking the bear ? Where in the Second Amendment does it say to follow ATF guidelines ? Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms ? What a mismatched mission that is. Who linked those issues together ? Jeeze, the is an agency to mismanage every aspect of our lives, .
They started out as part of the IRS.. go figure..
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The ATF was created in 1886, under the United States Department of the Treasury. It was formed as the revenue laboratory within the Bureau of Internal Revenue (more commonly known today as the IRS). In 1942, the ATF was given the responsibility to enforce federal firearms laws.
In the 1950’s when the Bureau of Internal Revenue was changed to the Internal Revenue Service, the ATF was given the task of regulating tobacco tax too. From that point on until the 1970’s the Bureau was called the Alcohol and Tobacco Tax Division (ATTD). In 1968, when the Gun Control Act was passed the division once again changed its name. This time it was also in control of Firearms and was rightfully renamed Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. In was not until President Nixon in 1972 signed executive order separating the ATF from the IRS did the ATF become the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.
After what happened on September 11, 2001, the ATF was redirected from the Treasury Department to the Justice Department in 2003 under the Homeland Security Bill.
Originally linked by User00013170: In was not until President Nixon in 1972 signed executive order separating the ATF from the IRS did the ATF become the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms.
Heh, revenue went from tax to fines, . My question is who does the taxing of alcohol, tobacco, and firearms now, ?
If they broke the law, then why are they still operating/not in jail?
Being sheep is BS. Comparing different groups that stand up against an out of control government over individual rights is fair game.
( and if you remember, our founding fathers DID break the law. Unjust law. With a lot higher stakes. )
If they continued to make ep lowers they would be in jail. Now instead of fighting for the right to continue to make the lowers, they decided to be clowns and name some parts after Obama. They poked the bear, our founding fathers fought and killed the bear.
I am anti ATF, but clowning around makes us all look bad and hurts the cause.
If they continued to make ep lowers they would be in jail. Now instead of fighting for the right to continue to make the lowers, they decided to be clowns and name some parts after Obama. They poked the bear, our founding fathers fought and killed the bear.
I am anti ATF, but clowning around makes us all look bad and hurts the cause.
I understand your view now. Their behavior sheds a bad light on your company and others like yours selling similar parts. I do believe you are being a tad bit harsh in your view that they should not be in business. Maybe they could go about this in a more professional manner certainly. This will be settled in the courts though. The ATF can make whatever rules they wish but it must stand up in court.
If they continued to make ep lowers they would be in jail. .
I looked it up. Seems they are still selling them, as i thought. http://aresarmor.com/store/...R15-Polymer-80-Lower Tho at the price they are charging now, might as well get aluminum. When i first heard of them i thought they were qite a bit cheaper than metal.. perhaps i was dreaming.
Ares broke the law, said they didn't and are not pushing to change the law that may or may not violate their rights. Our founding fathers found the law violated their rights and took action to fix it. Comparing Ares to our founding fathers is BS.
What have they been convicted of? An allegation isn't the same as a conviction. As for your ATF letter, Ares has some paperwork of their own - an injunction to prevent an ATF raid while the issue of their polymer lowers was resolved in court. The issue was already in the court system when the ATF raided them. The ATF falsified information to get the warrant for the raid - a fact that Ares sued for and won.
The BATFE has Raided EP Armory based on incorrect information about EP Armory’s manufacturing process. The determination letter written by the BATFE incorrectly classified the EP Armory product as a firearm based on faulty information. The BATFE was under the impression that EP Armory was making a firearm and then reverting back to the 80% stage by filling in the fire-control cavity. At no point during the manufacturing process by EP Armory is a weapon made and then reverted. The solid fire-control cavity is built first and the rest of the 80% casting is made around this “core” specifically so that their product at no time could be considered to be a firearm.”
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If they continued to make ep lowers they would be in jail. Now instead of fighting for the right to continue to make the lowers, they decided to be clowns and name some parts after Obama. They poked the bear, our founding fathers fought and killed the bear.
I am anti ATF, but clowning around makes us all look bad and hurts the cause.
You're presuming they are no longer fighting. That is a false assumption. Yes, they are mocking the ATF. It would be very easy for them all to disappear were they not so in the spotlight. Meanwhile, they still have cases pending against the ATF.
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.......It would be very easy for them all to disappear were they not so in the spotlight.......
To many companies have dissapeared and never been hard from again or have had to jump through rediculouse loopholes to stay around. Like I said, I am anti ATF, if the ATF had a problem with me tomorrow they would fabricate what they need to do what they want. ATF=Evil and maybe clowning around is what we need to raise awareness but from what I've seen of Ares I couldn't stand behind them.
I followed the whole thing as it unfolded and talked to people involved. The misinformation you quoted was a grammatical error and has nothing to do with Ares being clowns.
I followed the whole thing as it unfolded and talked to people involved. The misinformation you quoted was a grammatical error and has nothing to do with Ares being clowns.
You said Ares manufactured the lowers. They did not. You said Ares broke the law. That has yet to be proven.
If I have misunderstood any of your posts to that effect, please let me know. You're also ignoring the larger fact that Ares was already involved in a court case to determine the legality of the parts with an injunction against being raided until that decision was reached. The ATF raided them based on false information in spite of the injunction. Ares has already won their first case against the ATF.
If you think they're clowns and don't like them, that's your choice. Please stop spreading misinformation and work on your grammar.
They did break the law, as you can see by the ATF letter, they sold what is considered to be a regulated firearm by the ATF to anyone without a background check. It's just as illegal as if I was to start selling completed receivers. Why are you so butt hurt that I don't like Ares?
I actually don't even like the idea of ar 80% lowers(80% is not a term used by the ATF it's just marketing) when you can buy a completed serialized lower and spend less. I do understand why law abiding citizens buy them thinking they are avoiding some kind of secret registry but the ATF raid on Ares proves if they want to know who you are and what you bought they will fabricate what they need to get it.
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They did break the law, as you can see by the ATF letter, they sold what is considered to be a regulated firearm by the ATF to anyone without a background check. It's just as illegal as myself selling completed receivers. Why are you so butt hurt that I don't like Ares?
I don't care that you don't like Ares. I do care that you continue to spread false information. Unless I missed the declaration, they are still innocent until proven guilty and they have not been convicted of any crime yet. I've already posted where the argument between Ares and ATF resides in the legality of the parts and it will take a court ruling to decide if they are legal or not.
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the ATF raid on Ares proves if they want to know who you are and what you bought they will fabricate what they need to get it.
Which would be the type of illegal action Ares is currently fighting. You are very quick to accept anything the ATF says as law. They are no different than the police in that regard. They don't make the law - they're supposed to enforce it.
For someone who claims to not like the ATF, you are quick to condemn based solely on accusation. Should the government ever turn it's eye toward you, I hope you are given a more fair treatment than Ares was given by the ATF, or you.
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Which would be the type of illegal action Ares is currently fighting. You are very quick to accept anything the ATF says as law. They are no different than the police in that regard. They don't make the law - they're supposed to enforce it.
For someone who claims to not like the ATF, you are quick to condemn based solely on accusation. Should the government ever turn it's eye toward you, I hope you are given a more fair treatment than Ares was given by the ATF, or you.
It's a fact, if the ATF says it's illegal, it's illegal, unjust but illegal. I don't think you get it, I completely agree the ATF is not necessary or lawful but the reality is that they exist, their word is law and it's wrong. I would love to see the ATF go away and get some deregulation of firearms. One day I'd like to legally manufacture a firearm without a FFL but Ares clowning around is more likely to generate negative views against the current loopholes threatening my business. At this point in time the loopholes not being common knowledge is what keeps them around.
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One day I'd like to legally manufacture a firearm without a FFL
Great news, that day is today!
As long as you stay away from restricted firearms you can do that now, as long as your intent is personal use. ( i assume you mean to sell.. but lets try to be accurate here .. )
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With certain exceptions a firearm may be made by a non-licensee provided it is not for sale and the maker is not prohibited from possessing firearms. However, a person is prohibited from assembling a non-sporting semi-automatic rifle or non-sporting shotgun from imported parts. In addition, the making of an NFA firearm requires a tax payment and approval by ATF. An application to make a machine gun will not be approved unless documentation is submitted showing that the firearm is being made for a Federal or State agency. [18 U.S.C. 922(o) and (r), 26 U.S.C. 5822, 27 CFR 478.39, 479.62 and 479.105]
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It's a fact, if the ATF says it's illegal, it's illegal, unjust but illegal.
If you were right, then there would have been summary judgement against them in court. There wasn't. I'm not suggesting you change your opinion of Ares Armor, but your grasp of what a "fact" is needs work.
Built from my flats, I have a side by side I have been procrastinating putting together. These also exploit the 45lc/'410 loophole.
As in flats you create, or bought? ( just curious )
Also, *technically* you can still sell what you built, the law says "build with intent to sell"..... Of course if you build 1000 of them, sort of hard to convince anyone: "it was for my collection, but i needed the money later"
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