No, its never been debunked at all. Just some of the sightings and photos were proven to be faked. The one above is an obvious fake too. For one thing, it shows a Brontosaurus, not the Plesiosaur suggested by some. Brontosaurus was a land animal..it cant breath under water.
"The 24-year-old had set up her camera tripod to automatically take photos throughout the day at Windermere. It was only when she reviewed the images, which were supposed to be of the colours of the changing seasons, that she came across the shocking snap."
The changing seasons, like green trees?
"Who knows what it is - maybe some kids messing about - whatever it is we will leave it to the experts.” Good tactic, non chalant.
I'm not saying there is no Nessie or "Brownessie", but that looks photoshopped to me. Maybe it would though, since I've never seen a Plesiosaur or even a giant Eel or giant Salamander.
Totally debunked. Not one single shred of evidence other than the Photoshopped pics and the original "sighter"s (some doctor, I think) story. Even the original guy said he made everything up. Nothing. Zip. Nada. Way beyond BS. Sorry.
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Totally debunked. Not one single shred of evidence other than the Photoshopped pics and the original "sighter"s (some doctor, I think) story. Even the original guy said he made everything up. Nothing. Zip. Nada. Way beyond BS. Sorry.
And still totally wrong. There are stories spoken and written of dating back over 500 years. Nothing has been disproven or proven. They simply have found no hard evidence. That dont make it so. The world denied existence of anything resembling a gorilla until the early 1900s. That changed when someone caught one and brought it out. Now theres one in every zoo. They find a new species of something every day. What was debunced was the photo and sighting that was taken by a doctor...that was proven to be faked. A guy supposedly carved the monster head and put it on a toy submarine for him to take a picture. That one incident has nothing to do with all the other sightings dating clear back to medieval times. Sorry.
And still totally wrong. There are stories spoken and written of dating back over 500 years. Nothing has been disproven or proven. They simply have found no hard evidence. That dont make it so. The world denied existence of anything resembling a gorilla until the early 1900s. That changed when someone caught one and brought it out. Now theres one in every zoo. They find a new species of something every day. What was debunced was the photo and sighting that was taken by a doctor...that was proven to be faked. A guy supposedly carved the monster head and put it on a toy submarine for him to take a picture. That one incident has nothing to do with all the other sightings dating clear back to medieval times. Sorry.
Sure works to increase tourism and interest in the region, and that brings in more money. Any (qualified) biologist will tell us that Nessie doesn't exist. If it did, we would see more evidence, other than a mysterious photo here or there. We are at the point of discovering new creatures all the time.... but those creatures are small, hidden in jungles, etc... not on open lakes and for an animal that size (nessie) it couldn't go unnoticed. I know there are people who really want to believe... and hey, feel free, but telling us nothing has been disproved (or proven) is wrong. Nessie has been disproven scientifically, we can look at the area and know that such an animal can not exist in that habitat. Could people have "seen" something?... sure. A school of fish, a wake, a log, a reflection, etc... Our eyes (and mind) loves to play tricks on us and it sure makes for a great story, vs reality.
How many new species of large whales have we discovered in the last 50 years? Even a large squid carcass washes up on shore once and a while. Why not Nessie? Maybe Nessie is magical and is like the phoenix .... hey, how come we haven't found one of those.. or a dragon... or a unicorn.... or big foot...
The lake is very merky and 1,000 feet deep. You cant see a yard ahead of you. If it died and went to the bottom, you would never find it. They could hide an submarine in that lake that no one could find ever...unless they drained the water. They cant even find an airliner where they 'know' it is... in clear water.
Heres a video of a live Celecamph...that became extinct 60 million years ago. There are photos of at least a dozen other 'extinct' animals.
The lake is very merky and 1,000 feet deep. You cant see a yard ahead of you. If it died and went to the bottom, you would never find it. They could hide an submarine in that lake that no one could find ever...unless they drained the water. They cant even find an airliner where they 'know' it is... in clear water.
Heres a video of a live Celecamph...that became extinct 60 million years ago. There are photos of at least a dozen other 'extinct' animals.
Coelacanth. Yup... it was found, this little fish, in a HUGE ocean and multiple people found it... recorded it, captured it, etc. Yet, for some reason, in a "merky, 1000ft deep" isolated lake, we (with all of our technology) can not find something much larger. Hmm... odd... don't you say? I guess all of these expeditions to find a large creature, and nothing has been found, yet fisherman pulled up this "little" fish by accident (and that wasn't the first time this species was pulled up, as fisherman have pulled them up before, but no one was there to tell them they had something unique).
Believe in any myths you want, but there is no science to support the existence of Nessie or any such creatures... and the absence of finding anything is an important clue, along with food sources, habitat, reproduction, etc... and because Nessie seems to live outside these boundaries... it is a mythical creature.
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The picture I posted IS a fake, I know I've seen the movie it was taken from (not any of the Juaris Parks, Land of the Lost maybe ?) and my post was meant in jest as to that particular pic---BUT the entire concept of unknown creatures is VERY sound, and as Roger stated with reported sightings of Nessie going back 500+ years it IS very likely. Hell, it could even be the same animal 1st seen 5 centuries ago, we have no idea of the lifespan of a creature like that just the VERY general rule that the larger it is the longer it lives and reptiles tend to live longer than mamals.
BUT the entire concept of unknown creatures is VERY sound, and as Roger stated with reported sightings of Nessie going back 500+ years it IS very likely. Hell, it could even be the same animal 1st seen 5 centuries ago, we have no idea of the lifespan of a creature like that just the VERY general rule that the larger it is the longer it lives and reptiles tend to live longer than mamals.
Yes, there are unknown creatures. No doubt about that as we are finding them all the time... smaller creatures. Yet.. for some reason no one has seen (with actual proof) Nessie and can prove that it exists. Just stories... and now you throw out the idea that Nessie is 5 centuries old? Come on... that is a stretch and a half... I say Nessie is magical and has super stealth skin which allows it to be seen, but not photographed. Plus, it can asexually reproduce when required. Oh, and it doesn't need food... as it absorbs nutrients from the environment.
Anyway... it is all about what fools the eye and tourism (money). BTW, as I type this, I am having coffee with Sasquatch and he agrees that Nessie is a hoax.
Totally debunked. Not one single shred of evidence other than the Photoshopped pics and the original "sighter"s (some doctor, I think) story. Even the original guy said he made everything up. Nothing. Zip. Nada. Way beyond BS. Sorry.
Coelacanth. Yup... it was found, this little fish, in a HUGE ocean and multiple people found it... recorded it, captured it, etc. Yet, for some reason, in a "merky, 1000ft deep" isolated lake, we (with all of our technology) can not find something much larger. Hmm... odd... don't you say? I guess all of these expeditions to find a large creature, and nothing has been found, yet fisherman pulled up this "little" fish by accident (and that wasn't the first time this species was pulled up, as fisherman have pulled them up before, but no one was there to tell them they had something unique).
Believe in any myths you want, but there is no science to support the existence of Nessie or any such creatures... and the absence of finding anything is an important clue, along with food sources, habitat, reproduction, etc... and because Nessie seems to live outside these boundaries... it is a mythical creature.
Look how long it took for someone to solve the mystery of the "sailing stones" - and that is/was a land based "mystery" with fairly easy access.
Just saying...
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There is a theory that there are underground passages under the lake that lead deeper or even into other lakes, even out to the ocean. It is a fact that there are many known underwater caverns and passages that go for miles and are pretty much unexplored everywhere in the world. Getting back to gorillas, there were thousands of them in Africa not one european, asian or americas had ever seen to prove they existed either. Then one hunter brought one out and said 'here is one'. Its impossible to prove something doesnt exist. No one could prove giant squids existed till they found one not too long ago. There is a lot we dont know. We know sharks, even huge ones exist but no one even now knows how long sharks live. Maybe 20 years...but some have said they guess hundreds of years. I remember when they said there were NO other planets in the universe outside our solar system...now they find new ones every day.
There is a theory that there are underground passages under the lake that lead deeper or even into other lakes, even out to the ocean. It is a fact that there are many known underwater caverns and passages that go for miles and are pretty much unexplored everywhere in the world. Getting back to gorillas, there were thousands of them in Africa not one european, asian or americas had ever seen to prove they existed either. Then one hunter brought one out and said 'here is one'. Its impossible to prove something doesnt exist. No one could prove giant squids existed till they found one not too long ago. There is a lot we dont know. We know sharks, even huge ones exist but no one even now knows how long sharks live. Maybe 20 years...but some have said they guess hundreds of years. I remember when they said there were NO other planets in the universe outside our solar system...now they find new ones every day.
Oh.. now they travel through underground passages? Ah... ok. I still like my theory that they have skin that camouflages them like in the movie "predator" (Yes, that was a suit). Maybe they can control our minds and hide like "The Shadow".
Gorillas? Really.. so someone was able to locate a gorilla, and bring it back. That means they have PHYSICAL evidence... where is my Nessie trophy? As I said before, if it really existed, we would have seen more evidence than stories and faked photos.
Ah... as for sharks.... I can google also... "Shark lifespans vary by species. Most live 20 to 30 years. The spiny dogfish has the longest lifespan at more than 100 years.[51] Whale sharks (Rhincodon typus) may also live over 100 years." So, you are saying that Nessie is a type of fish, not a reptile or mammal? That way it can possibly live for 5 centuries? You are really grasping at straws on this one.
As for planets outside our solar system... only a non-scientist would say there are no other planets, as anyone with any amount of education in the sciences would not make a statement like that.
The more you try to proven Nessie exists, the more excuses you come up with. Whatever... it was fun, but I can see you want to believe in this myth... enjoy.
I've never seen an electron, but electricity exists. I'd never say something doesn't exist because I haven't seen it. Strange things show up all the time. Nessie is a long shot, but the oceans and deep water everywhere is still a mystery.
So I can claim something exists and it does until you prove me wrong? Come on. We wouldn't even have fire if we took that route. Maybe someone can get it to splash around so we can measure the waves and infer that it exists ...
Large gorilla were just found in the Congo. Not extinct, but gorillas that were never known. Many things are possible. Probably no Nessie, but why not try to believe. It beats the vanilla downer of never searching.
Iceland also believe in trolls Great for tourism and legends.
BTW... as mentioned in the article.. "If the video is authentic, and actually depicts a living creature, it may not be as monstrous as the legends say. Many species of fish have been found which resemble ‘sea monsters’ described in mythological tales, for example, the frilled shark (Chlamydoselachus anguineus), and the giant oarfish (Regalecus glesne). It might just be that a similar species may inhabit Lake Lagarfljot, leading to the development of legendary tales over the centuries."
Oh, and today's coffee companion is Paul Bunyan... he said he had a friend who knew someone who dated Nessie. Small world!
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Oh.. now they travel through underground passages? Ah... ok. I still like my theory that they have skin that camouflages them like in the movie "predator" (Yes, that was a suit). Maybe they can control our minds and hide like "The Shadow".
* I said it was a theory, and I agree its plausible, even if its not mine. You dont need camo when hunters looking for you cant see their own hand in front of them. All our 'awesome technology' hasnt found the Malaysian airliner that they supposedly know where it went...and its 10 times as big as nessie. They cant find a trace of the majority of planes and ships missing in the Bermuda Triangle. ie/ never found a single scrap of 5 planes flying in formation with a dozen crewman. I guess your saying those planes never existed because you cant touch them....? right.... They cant even find a single missing girl when everything now is covered by security cameras and thousands of people...and they know where she went before disappearing.
Gorillas? Really.. so someone was able to locate a gorilla, and bring it back. That means they have PHYSICAL evidence... where is my Nessie trophy? As I said before, if it really existed, we would have seen more evidence than stories and faked photos.
* Yes, but it took a million years for a Caucasian to find live gorillas...and all they had were natives stories for centuries.
Ah... as for sharks.... I can google also... "Shark lifespans vary by species. Most live 20 to 30 years. The spiny dogfish has the longest lifespan at more than 100 years.[51] Whale sharks (Rhincodon typus) may also live over 100 years." So, you are saying that Nessie is a type of fish, not a reptile or mammal? That way it can possibly live for 5 centuries? You are really grasping at straws on this one.
* I didnt say anything of the kind, so Im not grasping at anything. Without one, no one knows what it is. On Shark Week, shark experts SAID they dont know the lifespan of sharks, so any number is a guess. The Bible mentions several times of men living hundreds of years. Can you disprove that ? Didnt think so.
As for planets outside our solar system... only a non-scientist would say there are no other planets, as anyone with any amount of education in the sciences would not make a statement like that.
* Now, yes, 50 years ago not so much. Same goes for people saying people would never fly in airplanes.
The more you try to proven Nessie exists, the more excuses you come up with. Whatever... it was fun, but I can see you want to believe in this myth... enjoy.
* Im not trying to prove anything, only that Im open to any possibities. Im not making any excuses for anything because I really dont care one way or another. Its just backasswards people like yourself that are never open to anything other than your OWN beliefs.
We also will never know if intelligent life is/was ever on Mars till we land there and examine it. A few camera shots from a rover in a small area dont prove anything at all. If an alien sent a rover to earth and it landed in the Sahara Desert, they would think no life at all is here either.
I think its funny that ANYTHING you say should be accepted as gospel, but anything anyone else says is fantasy. Talk about egomania. your the one who wants proof. Prove that Nessie DONT exist.
I think its funny that ANYTHING you say should be accepted as gospel, but anything anyone else says is fantasy. Talk about egomania. your the one who wants proof. Prove that Nessie DONT exist.
Everyone should demand proof. Proof doesn't have to be a live or dead animal. Proof comes in many forms and so far there is very little proof to support the idea that Nessie exists (unless you consider faked photos or witness accounts as proof). When Looking at the possibility of Nessie existing, you have to look at the conditions that would support such and animal. Those conditions don't exist and then making up stories about underwater connections, etc... well that is just excuses to support the delusion... er fantasy. I guess you don't like that science can burst your bubble.
You don't seem to like that I am using science, not fantasy to support my comments. Whatever.
Originally posted by jaskispyder: Many species of fish have been found which resemble ‘sea monsters’ described in mythological tales, for example, the frilled shark (Chlamydoselachus anguineus), and the giant oarfish (Regalecus glesne). It might just be that a similar species may inhabit Lake Lagarfljot, leading to the development of legendary tales over the centuries."
I can't say Nessie doesn't exist just because it's never been found but others can't say it does exist because I haven't proven it doesn't. With the electron example it's totally fair for someone to say they don't believe they exist because they have never seen one. I certainly haven't and I've been playing with them for decades.
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