When I saw the video I suspected it was fake as well. It doesn't mean it's fake or it didn't happen. The video could have been made for YouTube views because there was no video. It's great news if the whole thing is a hoax though.
Yep. Even if it proves to be false and it gets released all over social media as so, the regular media won't ever cover it in an attempt to save face. So if it is false, it would just bolster the growing opinion that the "news" doesn't cover the news or do investigative journalism anymore. It's just a rush to see who can get the story out there first and then make corrections as you go along.
I just read over 3 news articles, & can't find any mention of the instructors name. I am curious if there is an obituary.
** Edit ** Charles Vacca, age 39
Just to follow up speculation, the original YouTube clip has over 12 million views & is filled with anti-gun statements. Also there is a wiki about the event with mentioning of legislation already in action for prohibiting the age of machine gun usage as well as the family being on the today show.
I will add that in the last statement on the wiki :
The report also indicated that the girl's family had been focused on her just after the shooting
If the mother was recording the event on her iPhone, how could she not notice that her daughter shot the guy in the head?
But I do agree, that if this was fake, the agenda already has the after-effect in place, & the damage & negative impact is already done.
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For the record, I'm not saying it's a hoax. I actually doubt it is. But just exploring the "what if" scenario. Because I also believe that there's little news on the major news networks and outlets anymore. They jump on stories and report things before they know anything about it just to get the story out there. When they get the story out there with nothing to back it up, it turns into an op-ed piece or pure speculation. So I don't think it'd be very surprising to hear if this were a hoax. I would actually rather it be one simply because then the instructor would still be alive and the little girl wouldn't have what happened on her conscience for the rest of her life.
Wow its amazing the conspiracy theories that crop up. Mr Vacca's family has a website setup for funeral contributions and the owner of the shooting range has been on TV talking about what a great guy he was.
Keep in mind, it could have happened and the video could have been faked for YouTube views. The articles say the video was released by investigators, what reason would they have for releasing it? Would it not threaten their job?
It's a psyche encountering something that is truely horrible and searching for reasons to deny it.
Thank you Dr. FlyinFieros. But what you neglected to read in my post is that I highly doubt that the whole thing was a hoax. But if it makes you feel better and more self-righteous about yourself, then by all means continue to think that, by my pointing out that I no longer think the media does what they're supposed to do and report facts over opinion, it means that I think it's all a hoax, then go for it. "Check yo self," really? What are you, twelve? Surely you can do better than that and bring something more intellectual to the table.
Anyone check the police report from the Mohave Sheriff's office? Wouldn't that be the end all to this?
And now that little girl has to listen to people say she is part of the hoax. I don't get the value of repeating BS like this. Maybe it's because they don't have to suffer from their actions. Or they already are and don't care anymore.
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I wouldn't trust Snopes as a verifiable source, but the 911 call and Sheriff's report should be sufficient. While it would be easy enough to fake, including creating a fictious victim played by an actor, that's not evidence. If the evidence showed it to be fake, it wouldn't surprise me, but there seems to be plenty of evidence that it is real.
I agree, there have been some holes poked in the story and the video looks like it could be fake. There isn't enough to discredit the news reports on the internet that I know of but there also is nothing that 100% confirms the story so the best thing do is wait and see how plays out instead of coming to conclusions. Just like the veyron going into the lake, we can speculate all we want, we won't know the truth until years later.
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Pretty funny, we are talking about poor reporting/investigation, yet, we are looking at the potential that THIS article is fake. Anyway, I am thinking it is real (maybe not the video... don't know, don't care as I am not one to believe every photo/video), as it seems there is enough evidence to believe the incident happened.
Originally posted by whadeduck: Thank you Dr. FlyinFieros. But what you neglected to read in my post is that I highly doubt that the whole thing was a hoax.
Maybe it got lost in your double speak:
Originally posted by whadeduck: So I don't think it'd be very surprising to hear if this were a hoax.
You “highly doubt” the whole thing is a hoax but “wouldn’t be surprised” to hear it was a hoax?
Originally posted by whadeduck: But if it makes you feel better and more self-righteous about yourself, then by all means continue to think that, by my pointing out that I no longer think the media does what they're supposed to do and report facts over opinion, it means that I think it's all a hoax, then go for it.
I understand what you’re saying.
The fact remains you don’t need to make up nonsense to show the media is lousy. There’s plenty of real examples out there.
Endorsing this truly horrible story as a hoax just long enough to attack the media is irresponsible. You’re adding credibility that it’s a hoax. You don't seem to understand that part.
Originally posted by whadeduck: "Check yo self," really? What are you, twelve? Surely you can do better than that and bring something more intellectual to the table.
You ignorantly called a fellow gun owner “careless, murderous, uneducated dirt bag” because you assumed I’m a liberal for not endorsing this crackpot theory.
Where you’ve got room to sound so condescending is beyond me.
You're right. I didn't realize just how incredibly intelligent you are and how incredibly ignorant I must be to disagree with your thought process. By the by, you sir were the one who instigated it by posting the insinuation that anyone who questions anything you believe in, if even for a millisecond, is in the same league as those who believe in UFO's. That sir is condescension. "You don't believe as I do therefore you are to be ridiculed." I don't think anyone on here truly believes that the video was a hoax. The problem I have with it was that it wasn't the whole video someone analyzed as Old Lar pointed out. But apparently, in your world, if anyone even so much as comments on it or gets into a conversation about it, they're to be ridiculed and looked down upon by you because it's something you don't agree with. Maybe it is YOU who shouldn't have said anything about it in the first place unless you just like stirring the pot or maybe I shouldn't have posted a response to your smugness and let you live upon your ivory tower you've placed yourself on. But then again, we couldn't have been graced with your intellectual prowess then could we?
Saying it looks fake doesn't mean I said it was fake, this is what's wrong with your brain, you can't take anything in it's context, at the end off that post I said "we can speculate all we want, we won't know the truth until years later". You don't belong on this forum, you are here to stir things up and piss poeple off.
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In 80 years, after most people who witnessed it are long gone, there will be people that wont believe it. Much as there are many that truly believe the holocaust never happened, or that the FSM never existed.