I completely support separating insurance from employment. Let people shop for health insurance the same way they shop for every other kind of insurance, life, auto, home, business, general liability, etc. Linking ones job to one's insurance is just a bad idea.
People already could get insurance outside of work though.
I completely support separating insurance from employment. Let people shop for health insurance the same way they shop for every other kind of insurance, life, auto, home, business, general liability, etc. Linking ones job to one's insurance is just a bad idea.
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Our health insurance rates have been going up 15% or more every year since we've moved to the US in 2008 (we're self-employed). The ACA didn't go far enough IMO.
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Our health insurance rates have been going up 15% or more every year since we've moved to the US in 2008 (we're self-employed). The ACA didn't go far enough IMO.
Originally posted by yellowstone: +1 Our health insurance rates have been going up 15% or more every year since we've moved to the US in 2008 (we're self-employed). The ACA didn't go far enough IMO.
If you are self employed I dont really know how that fits? Are you saying people who work for companies get too good of a deal because they are in a group and the employer helps cover some cost? So what you would want is everyones to go up in the hopes yours will go down?
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Originally posted by frontal lobe: The republicans had ZERO input into Obamacare. Zero. It was completely and unilaterally passed by the democrats.
This, an inconvenient truth.
And for those that strut around with their only rebuttal as "Romney" bla bla bla". Apples and oranges, state vs federal acts. If you don't know the difference and the implications then you really don't have a valid opinion.
Or...... would have gone up anyways! good lord, THIS is one of the dumber ones. Almost as good as not allowing employers to to offer and fund programs. Well, I am sure to many's delight, your fearless leader has taken away the pretax deduction for this so you can laugh in glee as the rest of us are pulled into the crapper.
We should probably just outsource to China like everything else.
This same type of plan was supported by Republicans back when Hillary was scaring them with her idea of a health care plan. Romneycare is a Republican plan....
What we are leading to is a single payer system.... this is just a political mess that will make single payer seem like the best solution.
You're casting a very large net. Republicans tried to have input into making the ACA work. None of their suggestions were used. Just because there may be some similarities ignores all the critical differences. Even if everyone in the nation is 100% behind the idea of mandated ObamaCare - this law is a steaming pile of dung. It's bad legislation and isn't sustainable in it's current form. The Democrats know this. That's why they keep delaying key parts of the law until after each successive election. The full impact won't be felt until at least 2015 or later. If it was all they claim it to be, they'd have wanted to implement it as fast as possible so they can stand on their success and rightly point out that NO REPUBLICAN VOTED FOR OBAMACARE at every election.
The private insurance companies, apparently wholly owned subsidiaries of republicans, could have found a way to provide insurance to the 40 million, got a website that actually worked, actually got 35 million of the 40 million onto the plans instead of 5 million, and had costs go up about 15% instead of 40%, and made their republican masters a tidy profit in the meantime.
You're casting a very large net. Republicans tried to have input into making the ACA work. None of their suggestions were used. Just because there may be some similarities ignores all the critical differences. Even if everyone in the nation is 100% behind the idea of mandated ObamaCare - this law is a steaming pile of dung. It's bad legislation and isn't sustainable in it's current form. The Democrats know this. That's why they keep delaying key parts of the law until after each successive election. The full impact won't be felt until at least 2015 or later. If it was all they claim it to be, they'd have wanted to implement it as fast as possible so they can stand on their success and rightly point out that NO REPUBLICAN VOTED FOR OBAMACARE at every election.
And yet, when given an opportunity, the Republicans never moved forward on a national health care plan.... Their only statement is to repeal it... and that doesn't seem to be working for them... in Congress, or in the elections. They are sounding like a broken record. That is all I heard from our GOP candidates this summer.... "repeal/get rid of 'Obamacare'". So they ignore everything else because they believe their base doesn't want ACA and that is the top priority over anything else. Frankly, they are wrong, but they don't have their own ideas for bringing in jobs, lowering taxes, etc... they just keep repeating the same message over and over because they don't understand their base. I am guessing people are starting to tune them out, as you can only listen to the same crap so many times. The GOP screwed themselves again because they are pandering to a minority of voters and instead of being proactive, they are reactive.
And yet, when given an opportunity, the Republicans never moved forward on a national health care plan....
Because most of their constituents don't want one.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: Their only statement is to repeal it...
1. That boondawgle of a law is too cumbersome and convoluted to resonably "fix." A repeal and new law is a much better way to fix the problems with it. 2. So long as Harry Reid is in charge of the Senate, no bill altering 0bamaCare will ever be up for a vote.
People talk about how the GOP hasn't offered options, etc. They have. They're just not being brought up for vote and left to die on Reid's desk. Many bills have passed the House only to never see the light of day in the Senate. You need to watch what the actual votes are - not what the politicians tell you. That's true of all parties.
Oh, so Harry Reid is to blame? So, what happened to taking responsibility for "your own" actions? Here is a hint for the GOP... how about going to the public and telling the voters what they are trying to do. Oh, wait, they will just blame the "mainstream media" next... More of the same ole blame game.
The GOP would rather sit with their head in the sand and hope for the best, as they have done in the past. They could "fix" the law, but it is easier to just say they want to repeal, when in fact, there is no REAL attempt. It is just smoke and mirrors. The GOP has lost their way. They have bowed to the Tea Party for too long and it shows.
BTW, a lot of their supporters are on Medicare... so to say "most" is wrong, as a portion of their voters are already on a government run health care program. It is a minority of supporters who don't want ACA, and the GOP thinks that is what will carry them into power. For me, I am sick of the same ads from the GOP candidates. They would call 5-8 times a day with some recording about "obamacare" and how so-so voted to support something related to it. Geez... how about coming up with a new trick because I am tired of the same ole blame game. I want leadership, not whiners. At least over Gov (R) has worked both sides and is doing what needs to be done for Michigan... I can't say he is perfect, but at least he is willing to move forward and not cater to just one party, one message.
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Originally posted by Formula88: Because most of their constituents don't want one.
1. That boondawgle of a law is too cumbersome and convoluted to resonably "fix." A repeal and new law is a much better way to fix the problems with it. 2. So long as Harry Reid is in charge of the Senate, no bill altering 0bamaCare will ever be up for a vote.
People talk about how the GOP hasn't offered options, etc. They have. They're just not being brought up for vote and left to die on Reid's desk. Many bills have passed the House only to never see the light of day in the Senate. You need to watch what the actual votes are - not what the politicians tell you. That's true of all parties.
Oh, so Harry Reid is to blame? So, what happened to taking responsibility for "your own" actions? Here is a hint for the GOP... how about going to the public and telling the voters what they are trying to do. Oh, wait, they will just blame the "mainstream media" next... More of the same ole blame game.
Who is the Senate Majority Leader and what control does the GOP have over his actions? Yes, take responsibility for "your own" actions, but not somebody else's. If you punch somebody in the face, don't complain to them, the victim, that they should have taken responsibility for being hit.
They do tell the public, but you and the rest of the indoctrinated call it racism. The media doesn't give it much coverage except to deride it as racism. To know what's really going on requires a bit more effort than listening to the White House Press Corps releases. You actually have to seek out information and pay attention rather than wait to be spoon fed talking points.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: The GOP would rather sit with their head in the sand and hope for the best, as they have done in the past. They could "fix" the law, but it is easier to just say they want to repeal, when in fact, there is no REAL attempt. It is just smoke and mirrors. The GOP has lost their way. They have bowed to the Tea Party for too long and it shows.
BTW, a lot of their supporters are on Medicare... so to say "most" is wrong, as a portion of their voters are already on a government run health care program. It is a minority of supporters who don't want ACA, and the GOP thinks that is what will carry them into power.
You make many assumptions with little basis in reality. Any candidate that was elected on a "repeal 0bamaCare" platform clearly has the support of his or her constituents to do exactly that. The 2010 elections were a prime example of the backlash felt across the nation. Even dear leader's re-election was far from a mandate supporting his agenda. He had a huge win in electoral votes, but the individual state races that gave him those votes were much closer than the electoral tally would suggest. And no, that's not a complaint about the Electoral College.
There are plenty of cases in the voting record of Democrats being given what they said they wanted by Republicans, then saying "No" they want something else. We went through that fiasco with the tax holiday that expired, then was extended for a year in the House, voted down in the Senate in exchange for a 2 month extension sponsored by Democrats. All the while, the DNC was claiming the GOP was blocking a 2 month extension of the tax break, even after the GOP tried to extend it for a year rather than just 2 months.
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They do tell the public, but you and the rest of the indoctrinated call it racism.
And there it is... Somehow it is still someone else's fault... I guess if you question the GOP and their lack of progress and lack of using the PROPER channels to get their message out, you are labeled.
Whatever. Just to let you know, I voted Rep. here in my state, so I have every right to call out their stupidity and lack of ability to move forward with a viable platform. But hey, you keep blaming others and settling for the same GOP line of BS (and blame), but I will demand more and use my vote to tell them that.
Sounds like you are one of the indoctrinated....accepting the GOP as the victims....
OK first to all you republicans who say the only way to fix this is to throw out the baby with the bath water !
Screw you, we already had a system in place and still do that had been working for most older Americans for decades that while it had problems, graft, fraud, and more but it did take care of millions of older retired and disabled Americans,
NOW DIDN"T IT !
Not well but it did work better than what the republicans want and better than what the democrats created,
NOW DIDN"T IT !
But the republicans answer to even Medicare is to, how did you put it,
"Throw out the baby with the bath water !"
Completely throw the older people and disabled to the wolves, (In case you didn't get the idea throw the retired and disabled to the insurance companies) So that what they can all not afford any kind of insurance that covers them as well as Medicare does ! But don't let that stop you from defending the republicans idea of simply throwing all the older people who already paid into these systems all their lives with the idea that they would have medical coverage till they died. I paid into it, you paid into it and all the rest of us over the age of 18 who have worked the last 30 or 40 years have paid into that system yet now they, the republicans say,
"Oh we can't afford it, because..........."
Why can't we afford it now? Because our so called representatives have allowed the rape of that system over the decades by not going after those who have stolen from it by filing false claims, doctors who have filed for test that were never done, insurance claims for injuries that were bogus, and then just our so called representatives stealing the money from that fund for their own little state projects for bridges to no where or some other BS thing they thought up for just them. Then you have our so called representatives who have never wanted for anything because they are so dammed rich before they ever got elected.
"That they just plain stole from the very people who they were elected to represent !"
Sure Medicare has problems but it was up and running and could have been used as a base to start with and those who weren't covered by it now could have been fazed into it in small numbers that the system could accommodate and take care of. But the democrats wanted to be the peoples saviors, and the republicans wanted to be the peoples saviors from democrats who, in their mind are out for the poor folks when the republicans know that only the rich company owners disserve to get richer and the poor just disserve to be thrown under the wheels of the machine to lube up their little world of money and power.
A movie that recently came out comes to mind about what I really think is the republicans idea for us.
While set in a future world where the people of wealth live in this utopian space station that they have cures for everything and the rest live on earth in squalor. That is what the republicans have in mind for the rest of us, at least in my opinion, they just want themselves to have it all and the rest to be their little slaves to the man scraping out a life working for the people with money, much like any of the communist countries that have existed threw history and now America.
I still say to drop the ACA and go back to right before it went into effect. Then start fixing it from there. The healthcare system was broken. There's no doubt about that. But in my opinion, the ACA just made things worse. If we were to allow people to shop across state lines for insurance, that would be a start.
Originally posted by jaskispyder: And there it is... Somehow it is still someone else's fault... I guess if you question the GOP and their lack of progress and lack of using the PROPER channels to get their message out, you are labeled.
Too funny. Nobama blames everybody and thing except his policies. Questioning him or his policies gets you labeled. What were you saying again ?
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: Just to let you know, I voted Rep. here in my state, so I have every right to call out their stupidity and lack of ability to move forward with a viable platform.
Just to let you know, I voted Repugnant here in Texas. I still have the right to call out Nobama's and the Dumb's stupidity and ... historically proven, recent and historic, lack of viability to move forward with a viable plan of action. A platform is just a "my way or the highway" with this regime.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: Ah... the party of "No" to the party of "Hey, it's not our fault". I thought you would be able to see through their game.
The "party of no" , ? It seems as if your problem is that you think. You sure can't think well enough to see through the Dumb's game. Or should I say label the Dumbs as the party of "they won't let us have our way", . The Dumbs, led by Harry Reid, are the party of "no" when it comes to allowing a vote on passed bills from the House of Representatives. The party of "no" when it came to passing a mandated budget. Don't piss in your own Cheerios.
The "party of no" , ? It seems as if your problem is that you think. You sure can't think well enough to see through the Dumb's game. Or should I say label the Dumbs as the party of "they won't let us have our way", . The Dumbs, led by Harry Reid, are the party of "no" when it comes to allowing a vote on passed bills from the House of Representatives. The party of "no" when it came to passing a mandated budget. Don't piss in your own Cheerios.
Yawn... so, you too are blaming Reid. Hey, here is an idea... the GOP needs to take back control. That would be proactive and then they could get their legislation up for a vote. Oh wait, it is easier to just blame Reid... as if blaming him will change anything. But I see you fell for that. I guess you need to think some more.
Maybe party of "no" is wrong... it is the party of "excuses". "We can't get our bills out for a vote... wah, wah, mean old Harry Reid"...
I see you are trying to blame me for not "thinking"... or whatever that means.
You criticize the Republicans as if they're the only ones playing politics. I see both parties doing the same thing in the split Congress. In the House, the Republicans have control and frequently either vote down or don't vote at all, things coming from the Senate. In the Senate, it's the same way. Only it's things coming from the House that never get voted on by the Senate. Both the House and the Senate are vying to try and put the other in their place. In the meantime, we lose. The way I see it, it's not a Democrat thing, it's not a Republican thing, it's a politician thing.
You criticize the Republicans as if they're the only ones playing politics. I see both parties doing the same thing in the split Congress. In the House, the Republicans have control and frequently either vote down or don't vote at all, things coming from the Senate. In the Senate, it's the same way. Only it's things coming from the House that never get voted on by the Senate. Both the House and the Senate are vying to try and put the other in their place. In the meantime, we lose. The way I see it, it's not a Democrat thing, it's not a Republican thing, it's a politician thing.
Keep in mind the rolls each chamber should fill. Any appropriation or spending bill is supposed to originate in the House, not the Senate. The Senate ratifies treaties and confirms appointments.
Even though both chambers must agree on legislation before it's passed to the President for signature, depending on the type of legislation determines where it should originate. Spending bills should never originate in the Senate.
I think it's safe to say that both parties have little to no honor and think mostly, if not completely, about themselves in lieu of the people they're supposed to be representing.
Originally posted by jaskispyder: I see you are trying to blame me for not "thinking"... or whatever that means.
Deflection ! I am blaming you for thinking, .
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: Yawn... so, you too are blaming Reid.
There you go again (in my best Ronald Reagan voice). Thinking. I am not blaming Reid, but he also says no. Many times and always to Repug legislation. His right, as do the Repugs have a right to say no. The "blame your failures on your enemies" award goes to Nobama, and the Dumbs.
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: Maybe party of "no" is wrong... it is the party of "excuses".
The mantra that the Repugs are the party of no is an excuse, for failed policy and the inability to work across the isle. Think about that ... wait, please don't do that. Your ability to think is tainted by what you are told. The Repugs do not need excuses. Facts bear out that they do enact legislation to deal with the problems that Americans want dealt with. Only to be told no, that we will not allow a vote, much less an up or down vote. Including five/six years of budget bills, which is charged to Congress to pass. I don't pay my representatives to vote yes to legislation I do not agree with. Get a clue. The assertion that the Repugs are the party of no is but just an excuse to say ... how do you put it ? ...
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Originally posted by jaskispyder: "We can't get our bills out for a vote legislation passed ... wah, wah, mean old Harry Reid Republicans"...
To say medicare "works", isn't exactly correct. The medical system makes it function in the U.S. in spite of itself, and its bureacratic inefficiency. And it makes it work financially by cost shifting to those that are insured, as the current level of service and quality wouldn't be supported by the level that medicare pays.
Regarding "why didn't private insurance do that then", the answer is because his Highness Obama didn't let them and intentionally constructed a system where only the government could dictate what could be done. Likely to create the premium increases you just saw at the start of this thread, in order to create a real "crisis", unlike the supposed crisis he was "solving".
Regarding the republicans not having a plan, that is ludicrous. They have tried to present proposal after proposal after proposal. So why is jaskispyder so seemingly unaware of that? Well, I don't exactly blame him. Does it fit the hyper-liberal media narrative to report on republican proposals that the democrats would never let get considered? Before you start the entire "blame the media" crap, remember how the media reported the debacle of the website roll out. It was obvious to ANYone with ANY measure of objectivity, that they were trying to not only minimize their reporting on it, but when they did run stories on it, they did all the could to actively run interference for the democrats and Obama. Did they report on how miserably they failed to increase the number of insured? Are they now SCREAMING about the premium increases? Are they peppering the White House press secretary on how that compares to the $2400 per year decrease that we were going to see?
So out of THAT level of complicit media, did you really think you were going to read about or hear about realistic republican proposals? All that is deflection.
Here are the facts. The affordable care act is a 100% democrat deal. Premiums are up over 40%. The "crisis" they were "solving" was when health care costs were going up 10-15% per year, NOT 40%. Nice solution. 40 million were uninsured. They added 5 million.
Even if you are for this, Steve or Jaskispyder or whoever else, how is it that you are not SCREAMING to your government officials about this absolutely pathetic and horrendous and harmful level of "performance"? How is it that you are not demanding that they be held accountable for that INCREDIBLE level of incompetence?
Regarding the republicans not having a plan, that is ludicrous. They have tried to present proposal after proposal after proposal. So why is jaskispyder so seemingly unaware of that? Well, I don't exactly blame him. Does it fit the hyper-liberal media narrative to report on republican proposals that the democrats would never let get considered? Before you start the entire "blame the media" crap, remember how the media reported the debacle of the website roll out. It was obvious to ANYone with ANY measure of objectivity, that they were trying to not only minimize their reporting on it, but when they did run stories on it, they did all the could to actively run interference for the democrats and Obama. Did they report on how miserably they failed to increase the number of insured? Are they now SCREAMING about the premium increases? Are they peppering the White House press secretary on how that compares to the $2400 per year decrease that we were going to see?
So out of THAT level of complicit media, did you really think you were going to read about or hear about realistic republican proposals? All that is deflection.
Here are the facts. The affordable care act is a 100% democrat deal. Premiums are up over 40%. The "crisis" they were "solving" was when health care costs were going up 10-15% per year, NOT 40%. Nice solution. 40 million were uninsured. They added 5 million.
Even if you are for this, Steve or Jaskispyder or whoever else, how is it that you are not SCREAMING to your government officials about this absolutely pathetic and horrendous and harmful level of "performance"? How is it that you are not demanding that they be held accountable for that INCREDIBLE level of incompetence?
I am genuinely curious.
So, premiums are on the rise, you say.... Why is that? Because people are actually getting coverage that actually covers something? People pay more for better coverage. That isn't new. Many of the insurance programs didn't meet the basic standards under ACA, so those programs were not valid. The programs that met ACA would cost more. It isn't surprising or unexpected. FYI, my premium went down. Why should I scream and yell? I have better coverage and a lower premium.
As for the Republican plans... Proof is in the pudding. It is pretty funny. I don't usually watch Fox news (any more) and one day I did and it was all "oh the sky is falling".... frankly, for many people, it is time to change the channel and stop listing to extreme "news". Of course, many can't stop. Fox news (as an example) is giving some people the exact information they want. I pull my news from many sources and I have to say that Fox news is not fair and balanced, it is all about building up an audience of followers and continually feeding them what they want to hear. Same holds true for extreme liberal news. I am a little off topic, but it has to said.
As for Republicans... they can propose all they want, but without being in power, they know they won't get anywhere and they are using that to their advantage (to raise money). Frankly, that is the game they play. I don't believe they are out to solve any problem. If the GOP controlled the WH and Congress, I doubt much would change, as they would all sit there and wonder what to do next. The party is fractured and all they can do is say "well, we tried" and "no". The Tea Party poster child, Ted Cruz, is a Canadian. The guy can't even take care of that issue.... and people want him to take charge? Geez. The GOP is a mess and from that, they are powerless.
Oh... and... for that newly insured amount of 5 Million... "The nationwide uninsured rate is 13.4 percent, the lowest since 2008, Gallup reported in a separate survey last month. HHS estimates that thanks to Obamacare, more than 10 million more people are now covered by private health insurance, Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program than before."
Originally posted by jaskispyder: So, premiums are on the rise, you say.... Why is that? Because people are actually getting coverage that actually covers something? People pay more for better coverage. That isn't new. .... I have better coverage and a lower premium.
So you arent paying more for better coverage? Some are paying more for less coverage. See why some people are upset? If the people who wanted better coverage paid more and got it, and also the opposite, it may have gone over a bit better. Thats still not the main issue but its what most complain about.
Might wanna check a little further into Mr. Cruz's situation. But I know, in your eyes, he's a Canadian and therefore never allowed to run for President. You're as bad as someone who insists that the President isn't a U.S. citizen. Just only when it comes to a different political party. http://www.cnn.com/2014/06/...-canada-citizenship/
I think Cruz qualifies as have many others before him in the same situation. Coming out of your mom on foreign soil shouldn't disqualify you. If one parent is a citizen you are in. If you are naturalized you are out.
How others might want to apply the rules may vary.
Obummer was never qualified, and remains unqualified. Not just because he isn't a citizen, but because he has no qualifying experience. Obummer was a nobody senator from nowhere. He was useless as a senator. He now blames that on being green and in a lower position, thus admitting his own ignorance, incompetence, and lack of understanding. I wish things had changed.
When the founding fathers built the foundations of this country, it was with considerable forethought. There are reasons that they said no for foreign-born presidents. These shouldn't be ignored because it isn't convenient for some people. Since obummer has been in office, he has systematically trampled on my rights, if not yours. He has trampled on the laws of my country, my America. I understand that tyis isn't his country, so what does he care?
Like other terrorists, obummer has made no effort to know anything about the US, nor has he had any respect for the US. He is using you as a means to his ends. I don't like getting thrown into that pot, because I don't like to be used.
America was once a great, solid, proud country. Now, we're weak. We don't do much of anything. We've thrown away almost everything of value, and indebted out great-great-great grandchildren. How dare we!
Bigger decreases in costs? What does that mean? Is sounds as if, for me paying the government say, $100 for a $15 product, I get $8 of product, rather than $5. No thanks. I'll just buy the product for $15 myself, and get a $15 product.
Why is the government punishing us for avoiding an inferior product? Why is the government trying to mandate my decisions at all?
As for me, the costs are prohibitive. My former insurance was OK, although costs had gone up and benefits down. There is no affordable plan for me that would be even close. The problem with obamacare is that there are ZERO benefits for me. I consider it an affront and a personal attack on me and mine. Obamacare has forced me to be uninsured.
I know, they'll find a way to take it out of my salary and take my house. And there will go more taxes, so they're just shooting themselves in the foot. And then they'll have to increase taxes on the rest of you all. So, I'l not going to pay taxes. I refuse to pay for this isanity. Those who want it can pay for it.
When obummer supporters come around with their hand out, it's too late. Obummer already took my money. No more gold. All I have left is lead.
So, premiums are on the rise, you say.... Why is that? Because people are actually getting coverage that actually covers something? People pay more for better coverage.
I don't believe they are out to solve any problem.
Oh... and... for that newly insured amount of 5 Million...
"The nationwide uninsured rate is 13.4 percent, the lowest since 2008, Gallup reported in a separate survey last month. HHS estimates that thanks to Obamacare, more than 10 million more people are now covered by private health insurance, Medicaid or the Children's Health Insurance Program than before."
The 43% increase in premiums was for the same coverage, not any increase in coverage.
I just talked to a patient of mine who is a business owner 2 patients ago. His insurance agent told him it would cost 38% more to provide the exact same coverage next year.
Regarding the republicans not out to solve any problems, well, here is how bad the democrat and Obama performance was. Had they not been able to solve anything, and things had gone on as they would, premiums would have gone up 7-10% for the same coverage instead of the 35-40% the democrat "solution" was.
Regarding it being 5 million, that was the estimate that I had heard. You pointed out it was more like 10 million. At least according to HHS. OK. We'll go with 10 million. Yeah! You hit 25% of your target instead of 10%. You epic failure was a little less epic, yet still craptacularly epic.
So we get back to the fundamental issue.
Obama said repeatedly that his plan would REDUCE insurance premiums on average $2,400 per year per family. It is up 35-40%. His estimate is that 40 million more would be insured. It is 10 million (your and HHS numbers. Fine). Do you find this level of government performance, no matter who is doing it, acceptable? Is this the type of government and execution we should just sit and tolerate? Do you believe when the government misses its own projections by this degree, they should have to answer the American public about it?
If the news was doing their job, they would have provided coverage of person after person who wound up paying several hundred more dollars per month for a policy that was substantially worse coverage than what they had. There were some stories about that in the news, but not nearly the constant drum beat it could have been, and would have been if a republican had been at the head of this horrendous performance.
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. The Dumbs, led by Harry Reid, are the party of "no" when it comes to allowing a vote on passed bills from the House of Representatives. The party of "no" when it came to passing a mandated budget.
