Thank you Russia for imposing import sanctions on food from Canada and the USA!
Probably not the best situation for farmers but it will be an important reset to the cost fruits, vegetables in meat bought locally. Foe several months all we have been hearing about is shortages due to droughts etc.. Now, according to mainstream news, there should be significant overages, especially of pork products.
At least there is some good from all this bull$hit fighting going on in this world... Maybe eventually there can be a global reset that forces countries to at least be the main consumer of their own products instead of exporting and overcharging it's people due to "shortages"..
Originally posted by Purple86GT: Maybe eventually there can be a global reset that forces countries to at least be the main consumer of their own products instead of exporting and overcharging it's people due to "shortages"..
That sounds extremely interventionist. Forcing companies to sell their products in a certain geographic area, even at lower prices than what they could get somewhere else? Almost communist, I'd say
That sounds extremely interventionist. Forcing companies to sell their products in a certain geographic area, even at lower prices than what they could get somewhere else? Almost communist, I'd say
We used to call them "sin taxes".....booze and smokes go up with every budget until enough of us get mad enough to live off the bootleg stuff from the native reserves in large enough numbers that the gubment takes a REAL financial hit from lost tax revenue that they drop the taxes down to painful-but-tollerable levels----then over about 10 years they creep back up and the cycle starts again.
We are about as screwed as you guys were in 07....housing is over-valued by 20-40%, they stopped keeping stats on rates/ down payments/ ect several years ago, TRUE unemployment is as high as yours (regular jobs are being replaced by part-time, temp and self-employed), sub-prime auto loans are MASSIVE .....its all in the archives at huff post.
Our bubble aint gonna be a "pop", its gonna be "HOLEY SHEET, what blew up ???"
The latest "trick" here (was on the TV news talk show so no link) is companies hire staff then a week or 2 before the legal labour-law "probation period" 3-month deadline get rid of them and do it again, and again, and again.....its cheaper than temp agencies by $5-6/hr and still keeps them free of any "employee rights" legal issues, legal time-notices, ect. Companies here have become real pieces of sh1t for the most part.
That sounds extremely interventionist. Forcing companies to sell their products in a certain geographic area, even at lower prices than what they could get somewhere else? Almost communist, I'd say
No one is forcing them to sell locally... The market has just changed and not by our country's doing. So I don't see how communism applies here.
So it would be a scenario (that you would welcome or so it seems) where all foreign markets for all countries would suddenly become unattractive or unavailable without government intervention, forcing companies to sell locally (does that mean nationally)?
I'm telling you, we'd all be very unhappy in a situation when that happens. It would mean the end of our economic system as it existed for the past few hundred years.
So it would be a scenario (that you would welcome or so it seems) where all foreign markets for all countries would suddenly become unattractive or unavailable without government intervention, forcing companies to sell locally (does that mean nationally)?
I'm telling you, we'd all be very unhappy in a situation when that happens. It would mean the end of our economic system as it existed for the past few hundred years.
HUH ?.....try 30 years. "Globalization", "free trade", "Global Market" and "Mobility" were the catchphrases of the 80's/ early 90's......sure, there was international trade and immigration before then BUT tariffs and protectionist policies kept it in check, and I personally think it is LONG past time to bring those policies back (before we ALL end up working for 3-cents-an-hour and living in Ganges-river conditions)...if you dont know what I mean by Ganges river conditions, here you go http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=638_1345728105 <warning, GRAPHIC>
I am ALSO hugely in favor of stripping corporations of "person-hood" and treating them like the business entities they are.
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and I personally think it is LONG past time to bring those policies back (before we ALL end up working for 3-cents-an-hour and living in Ganges-river conditions).
What do you think of automation? That arguably has the same effect of unskilled and low-skilled labor in high-wage (and high cost of living) countries.
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What do you think of automation? That arguably has the same effect of unskilled and low-skilled labor in high-wage (and high cost of living) countries.
Bring on the automation, and deport the damn low/no-skill immigrants back where they came from. I think a self-serve McTeller is a small price to pay to be rid of the 7 <insert country here> it replaces. CONTRARY to what the liberalists and bleeding hearts seem to think, we DO NOT owe those people one damn thing, their accident of birth in <insert 3rd world sheethole here> is neither the western worlds fault, nor our problem....and I resent the hell out of it being turned into mine, at least. frack multiculturalism, I'd rather associate with robots.
Tariffs, quotas, and protectionist trade policies work in both directions, meaning what we do to them, they do to us. No country can prosper, grow their economy or even survive without the exportation of goods and services. That's why it is called a "trade policy" and not just a "sell policy". I'm old enough to remember the trade/tariff wars of the 60s-early 70s--a failed "experiment" for all parties and the only time protectionism works well is when one area of a given country, one or 2 global nations or a whole hemisphere is the only manufacturing/ agriculture base in the world. That occurred in this country right after the civil war, and globally right after ww2. The south was decimated by war in the 1860s-1870s with the south being broke and unable to generate revenue for nearly 20 years during "reconstruction"--and the rest of the world was destroyed during ww2, leaving North America as the only significant manufacturing, mining and farming region in the world. As soon as the rest of the world rebuilt, the trade wars began, as we saw more and more of our export base chipped away. Tariffs, quotas, and protectionism was tried, and we saw our xport volumes decrease accordingly when other nations hit us with reciprocal trade barriers. In the extreme, imagine any society or geographical area, where the only money changing hands was all local--between the banker, butcher, candlestick maker. At best, stagnation. At worst, inflation begins and disaster follows.
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Tariffs, quotas, and protectionist trade policies work in both directions, meaning what we do to them, they do to us. No country can prosper, grow their economy or even survive without the exportation of goods and services. That's why it is called a "trade policy" and not just a "sell policy". I'm old enough to remember the trade/tariff wars of the 60s-early 70s--a failed "experiment" for all parties and the only time protectionism works well is when one area of a given country, one or 2 global nations or a whole hemisphere is the only manufacturing/ agriculture base in the world. That occurred in this country right after the civil war, and globally right after ww2. The south was decimated by war in the 1860s-1870s with the south being broke and unable to generate revenue for nearly 20 years during "reconstruction"--and the rest of the world was destroyed during ww2, leaving North America as the only significant manufacturing, mining and farming region in the world. As soon as the rest of the world rebuilt, the trade wars began, as we saw more and more of our export base chipped away. Tariffs, quotas, and protectionism was tried, and we saw our xport volumes decrease accordingly when other nations hit us with reciprocal trade barriers. In the extreme, imagine any society or geographical area, where the only money changing hands was all local--between the banker, butcher, candlestick maker. At best, stagnation. At worst, inflation begins and disaster follows.
100% agreed. People in the US seem to think that the 1950's and 1960's were "normal" while they were anything but. Europe and Japan in ruins, China and Russia also in ruins but also isolated and pretty much decimating themselves (in terms of population, farming and industry) and the Middle East still docile. Welcome to normalcy where many nations compete on (more or less) equal terms.
Trade does benefit everyone involved but is a threat to the unskilled and low skilled part of the workforce. Especially with the added pressure of automation. There's no such thing as a middle class income with a house and two cars and a stay at home mom with three kids anymore with a job that consists turning of some screws on an assembly line. And the illegal immigrants are not the reason for that, they are just easy scapegoats.
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100% agreed. People in the US seem to think that the 1950's and 1960's were "normal" while they were anything but. Europe and Japan in ruins, China and Russia also in ruins but also isolated and pretty much decimating themselves (in terms of population, farming and industry) and the Middle East still docile. Welcome to normalcy where many nations compete on (more or less) equal terms.
The really BIG problem with that postwar era in releation to today's mindset, is that it set the bar, for what most Americans refer to as the American Dream-- Our standard of living. A standard, which came about thru plenty of jobs and a booming economy, both from domestic consumer spending and massive export sales to support war torn allies and former adversaries alike. Barring another global war, or a natural disaster of hugely epic proportions elsewhere in the world, that paradigm is very very likely to ever again be repeated, but all the un-informed do is scream for "the good old days". Those days came at a terrible price--about 60 million lives or nearly 3% of the global population of the time. Things will only get worse (competition wise) as the emerging economies of India, S. America, then Africa come "on the production line". The pie slices will just get thinner and thinner.
Say or think what you will.. Now that this food shortage BS is rectified, I can afford to BBQ every day again! Have fresh veggies to go with it and not bust the bank.
Call it selfish, communism, whatever you want... Feed your people first and expert the left overs... Not the other way around!
Say or think what you will.. Now that this food shortage BS is rectified, I can afford to BBQ every day again! Have fresh veggies to go with it and not bust the bank.
Call it selfish, communism, whatever you want... Feed your people first and expert the left overs... Not the other way around!
There are still some good ones left in Ontario. , thanks man, couldnt have said it better myself.
