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410 Shotgun advice by revin
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So I want to get a 410 shotgun rifle for the girlfriend.(I think the 12G is too much)
I want more than a one shot deal, but do they even make them?
I have been looking in pawn shops but nobody has any.

Any recomendations?
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All the 410's Ive seen have been break over..

I'd try a 20G or even a 16G. My favorite shotgun is a bolt action 16G.

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They all make pump action shotguns in 410, Mossberg, Remington, Winchester

http://www.mossberg.com/shotgun-gauge/410

http://www.remington.com/pr...-870-wingmaster.aspx

http://www.northlandoutdoor...3286/publisher_ID/5/

there is nothing that sounds like a pump action shotgun for home defense and a 410 is actually a very good gun to start a smaller woman out on.

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:
They all make pump action shotguns in 410, Mossberg, Remington, Winchester

That's cool! Haven't seen those before.

Link: http://www.mossberg.com/shotgun-gauge/410
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Originally posted by FlyinFieros:

That's cool! Haven't seen those before.

Link: http://www.mossberg.com/shotgun-gauge/410


Long time ago I worked at China mart selling guns and the ladies wanted something for home defense that wouldn't knock them over so I always had one in the show case to show them. nice little guns for a kid to start out on as well.

edit to add I love your avatar, I want one of those !

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:
the ladies wanted something for home defense that wouldn't knock them over

I'm actually checking out that pistol grip 410 for the lady.

Even fits the 3" shells instead of the 2.5"!
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Originally posted by revin:

So I want to get a 410 shotgun rifle for the girlfriend.(I think the 12G is too much)
I want more than a one shot deal, but do they even make them?
I have been looking in pawn shops but nobody has any.

Any recomendations?


What purpose is the gun going to be used for ?
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Originally posted by FlyinFieros:

I'm actually checking out that pistol grip 410 for the lady.

Even fits the 3" shells instead of the 2.5"!


Here is a round for that 410 with a lot of info on its use for self defense, they say at close range with a slug they are as powerful as a 357

http://www.winchester.com/P.../Pages/pdx1-410.aspx

Steve

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Originally posted by California Kid:


What purpose is the gun going to be used for ?


Excellent question. You have to keep this in mind above all else.

Also, has she ever fired a 410 or other shotgun? I'd recommend trying out a few different ones to see what she likes.
What is her experience level?
410 is pretty small. They make handguns in 410.


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If she's a smaller lady with short arms the Rossi/Taurus .410/.45LC Circuit Judge(The rifle version of the .410/.45LC Judge revolver in the video above) is an amazing gun. It is a short stock rifle, but isn't bad to shoot.

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If she's a smaller lady with short arms the Rossi/Taurus .410/.45LC Circuit Judge(The rifle version of the .410/.45LC Judge revolver in the video above) is an amazing gun. It is a short stock rifle, but isn't bad to shoot.



I have one and it is soooo much fun to shoot! I like that you can switch the choke out and shoot 45 long colt. Just be careful when shooting though, since its a revolver there is a slight gap between the cylinder and barrel. If your forward arm is to high you will get a burn when you fire it. It has a shield to prevent this but it isn't fool proof.
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I bought a 20 gauge for the misses for home defense. 12 was a little too much then. I actually think she would prefer it now, because she is experienced, but just make sure to remove the plug out of the magazine, "ONLY IF" its for home defense. All shotguns come with a plug limiting it to two rounds, because it's federal law that if you are hunting, you are only allowed 2 rounds. If you use it for home defense, it doesn't matter, but if you do then go hunting with that same shotgun, make sure you put the plug back in. If a game warden catches you hunting without the plug, there will be a hefty fine.

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I have a very old Mossberg bolt action 410. Can't remember but it holds a few shells in an internal mag. The only thing I might think about is how much you will use it. The 410 shells seam to be the most expensive shotgun shells out there.

When it comes to small chicks and guns (drool) once your out of the hangun arena they should be able to handle and shoot almost anything with proper training.
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I love my Norinco double hammer 410. The quality of their firearms I find is as good if not better than a lot of the American firearms companies now days. Their M14 clones are now better quality than Springfield arms, using forged receivers rather than cast parts on the Springfield. Check them out, you might be pleasantly surprised, and they are a fraction of the price of the US alternatives.
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Originally posted by California Kid:
What purpose is the gun going to be used for ?


rattlesnake / coyote mostly. I hope not a little field mouse


She never fired a weapon before( really doesn't want to ) but living in the house where there are such hurtful amninals, I would feel better if she had something the would spray a pattern rather than try to shoot a .22
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Originally posted by California Kid:
What purpose is the gun going to be used for ?


rattlesnake / coyote mostly. I hope not a little field mouse


She never fired a weapon before( really doesn't want to ) but living in the house where there are such hurtful amninals, I would feel better if she had something the would spray a pattern rather than try to shoot a .22
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Just my opinion, but I think a 20ga Auto with a cut down barrel would be a better option for her. There really isn't much lead in a .410.
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Originally posted by jimbolaya:

All shotguns come with a plug limiting it to two rounds, because it's federal law that if you are hunting, you are only allowed 2 rounds.

Jim


I believe that's only for migratory game birds. Here in IA if you're duck/goose hunting you need to have the plug in, if the CO catches you without you're in trouble, even if you only have 2 in the magazine. On the other hand, you can have a "full" magazine (4 on my Wingmaster + 1 in the pipe) when pheasant or turkey hunting. We deer hunt with shotguns (slugs) here in IA and you are allowed a full magazine then too.

Back on topic, I would say let her shoot a 20 gauge and see if she can handle it, doesn't kick near as hard as a 12 gauge in my opinion. My wife can handle a few shots from my 12 gauge but if we're shooting clays for an extended period of time she'll use my buddy's 20 gauge.
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The federal requirement for plugging the magazine on some weapons is to limit the weapon to three shots. All of my auto shotguns have plugs and all hold a total of three shells when hunting game birds. BTW, the 410 is also available in a semi auto from several manufacturers. If you purchase one, make certain that it handles 3" shells for a bit more powder. A 28 gauge shotgun is a bit larger than the 410 and is available in multiple formats (pump, semi-auto, single shot, double barrel, etc.). The 20 gauge may be a good compromise wrt power, shell size, and initial cost of weapon and ammo.

Remember that a lighter weapon may give you a bit more recoil so take that into consideration.

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Originally posted by jimbolaya:

.All shotguns come with a plug limiting it to two rounds, because it's federal law that if you are hunting, you are only allowed 2 rounds. If you use it for home defense, it doesn't matter, but if you do then go hunting with that same shotgun, make sure you put the plug back in. If a game warden catches you hunting without the plug, there will be a hefty fine.

Jim


Huh? When did this come into play? I've hunted my entire life putting a dowel in my 12ga pump to only allow 3 shells while duck hunting. But for pheasants I've always had 5 shells in the shotgun. I haven't deer hunted for years, but I always had 5 slugs in the shotgun Jim, you sure this isn't just a Virginia law?
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Maybe it is just Virginia. It's been a few years since I bought it. So check your local laws first then.
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THE MOSSIE BOLTACTION

was a 3 chamber rounds in the mag
in the barrel makes 4 total

I loaded blank bird buck slug
saddly the rust on the houseboat ate that gun
a very good gun with little kick
I could shoot one handed
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Circuit judge. I'm a big fan of the judge I may try to swap my glock 22 for one.
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Originally posted by California Kid:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnT723O5fZg


Nice.

But nothing beats a good 'ole double-barrel shotgun for shooting watermelons.

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If hunting, check local laws/rules. State and any Counties where you will hunt. 410 has legal problems hunting in some areas because will take normal bullets.

20ga is good for many think 12ga is too big.
Suggest borrow 20ga to try them first.

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Originally posted by California Kid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnT723O5fZg


Like that (wish my girl was a shooter like her )

Well sorry guys it will NOT be for hunting. just killin'

The whole thing is it will be in it's case 99.5% of the time I have a feeling. I can bet it would go more like ..."Honey I saw a _____, get rid of it for me."
Then I will take out the 12G and have a good time making slush out of whatever. heh heh


Thanks for ALL the ideas, I am liking the pump action, but thinking a single shot with a blank in it would be about right for her. Big noise maker would scare HER back into the house and whatever shooting at scare it away...till daddy comes home
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I have a mossburg 500E 410 pistol grip... fun as hell and cheap to shoot.
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Originally posted by California Kid:

Just my opinion, but I think a 20ga Auto with a cut down barrel would be a better option for her. There really isn't much lead in a .410.


I really do agree with that, even though I recommended the 410 for the women who came into the store when I was selling them, those women just seamed to be afraid of all of the guns and I figured the least kick weapon would get them into shooting. To my department managers horror I also recommended that they go out and practice with them, and if they didn't have a place to do so with a competent instructor gave them my number and address because I lived right behind the store and have 25 acres that I can fire any gun in without repercussions from the local law enforcement. He literally cringed the first time he was there and heard me say that and told me I really shouldn't do that. I said so it would be better to sell a woman a gun that has no knowledge of them and let her loose. Come on dude that to me is just scary so I changed the way I said it to recommending they get someone with knowledge of guns to teach them at a local range and if they didn't want to or couldn't afford it to give me a call or stop in the store and I would arrange a time they could come over to my place and I would show them proper safe handling of their weapon. Never actually got taken up on that but still felt better about it because I gave them the option.

As a side note and something that still bothers me today,

I was the only Wal Mart sporting goods associate at the time that ever sold a gun to someone who killed themselves with it on purpose, worst part of it, was he was one of the associates of the store that I knew very well and had worked with on the overnight truck unloading crew before being asked to work in the sporting goods department. Really got me when I came in a week or so later and the store manager who signed the paperwork along with me took me to the side and told me what happened and that the state police were there to talk to me about the sale to him.

Worst part and reason I mention it was it was the 410 single shot gun talked about by the OP.

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Originally posted by revin:

Well sorry guys it will NOT be for hunting. just killin'


Killing what? Birds? Snakes?
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Killing what? Birds? Snakes?


Stuff that comes a-knockin unwelcomed I suppose.

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Killing what? Birds? Snakes?


things (people) who are in places they should not be.


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