Yep, nothings perfect. IF OJ and Casey Anthony can get off with a good lawyer, anyone else should too....especially if they arent guilty. I rather see a few wrongly convicted and executed than the many more that are guilty that get off, and usually do the same thing over again when they do get out.
You mean like these 5... Good thing they didn't the death penalty in your world.
Yep, nothings perfect. IF OJ and Casey Anthony can get off with a good lawyer, anyone else should too....especially if they arent guilty. I rather see a few wrongly convicted and executed than the many more that are guilty that get off, and usually do the same thing over again when they do get out.
Originally posted by rogergarrison: Not any more than OJ or Anthony being moral.
personally, i think OJ and Casey anthony were guilty, guilty, guilty, but then i think George Zimmerman was too. all, in my opinion, miscarriages of justice. let's say, for the sake of argument that all three had been found guilty and sentenced to death. and let's say that at least one of them (you decide) is actually not guilty. death penalty still a good idea?
i think yellowstone's point was that had they been found guilty, (a) the death penalty is permanent and irreversable. we find innocents on death row often enough to know the process makes mistakes. (b) the execution described in the OP is clearly cruel and unusual, hence unconstitutional. a lawyer could (and may yet) have a field day with this, though what's the point, he's dead? maybe to make sure that we do it properly, if we (yes, we) continue to execute people. i'm undecided about the death penalty. i'd be happier with it if we had a more stringent standard of proof before invoking it.
Originally posted by yellowstone: And I don't think there's evidence that capital punishment works as a deterrent.
Your chart does not include or show the deterrence factor of those who were successfully put down. I would have to suggest to you that those convicted and executed were deterred permanently from ever committing another crime. Seems to work from that perspective don't ya think?
------------------ Ron Count Down to A Better America: http://countingdownto.com/countdown/196044 Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
In a court trial, your judged by your peers. In most places, you only need to convince one out of more than a dozen your innocent. Sure mistakes happen. You cant let all the guilty off because you think one might be wrong. Thats the reason thousands are sitting on death row now. Politically correct nutjobs are sure theres a mistake somewhere.
In a court trial, your judged by your peers. In most places, you only need to convince one out of more than a dozen your innocent. Sure mistakes happen. You cant let all the guilty off because you think one might be wrong. Thats the reason thousands are sitting on death row now. Politically correct nutjobs are sure theres a mistake somewhere.
Roger, I am not a politically correct nut job by any stretch and I am very concerned about killing innocent people wrongfully accused of murder. The fact is, it has happened and there are quite a few cases of people being exonerated YEARS later due to DNA evidence.
I can't agree with your take one for the team attitude, though I suppose it is realistic if one supports the death penalty. I am more or less pro death penalty. Sometimes less. I have no problem with killing the guilty, but there's the rub.
Originally posted by rogergarrison: Sure mistakes happen. You cant let all the guilty off because you think one might be wrong. Thats the reason thousands are sitting on death row now. Politically correct nutjobs are sure theres a mistake somewhere.
Well, let's hope you or anyone you know personally won't be one of your "tragic but unavoidable mistakes" some day. I wonder if you would still think the same if that happened?
And again, this is not a choice between death or walking free...!
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