Waves of immigrant minors present crisis for Obama, Congress An estimated 60,000 such children will pour into the United States this year, according to the administration, up from about 6,000 in 2011. Now, Washington is trying to figure out how to pay for their food, housing and transportation once they are taken into custody.
The flow is expected to grow. The number of unaccompanied, undocumented immigrants who are under 18 will likely double in 2015 to nearly 130,000 and cost U.S. taxpayers $2 billion, up from $868 million this year, according to administration estimates http://www.reuters.com/arti...dUSKBN0E814T20140528
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Now, how are these children, some of them from guatemala walking all the way through mexico, pass the cartels, through the desert that kills strong adult men into the country? Answer: They are not, they are being bussed in... Government Hiring Escorts for 65,000 Unaccompanied Illegal Alien Children http://www.thecommonsensesh...egal-alien-children/ Still think your government has your best interest in mind? Still think you don't need a gun, because they will protect you?
Waiting for the "I don't accept your source", or the ever popular "you're racist" and "spreading fear" Never attack the argument when you can attack the person..
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Now, how are these children, some of them from guatemala walking all the way through mexico, pass the cartels, through the desert that kills strong adult men into the country? Answer: They are not, they are being bussed in... Government Hiring Escorts for 65,000 Unaccompanied Illegal Alien Children http://www.thecommonsensesh...egal-alien-children/ Still think your government has your best interest in mind? Still think you don't need a gun, because they will protect you?
Waiting for the "I don't accept your source", or the ever popular "you're racist" and "spreading fear" Never attack the argument when you can attack the person..
The link states that an ad posted in January for bus drivers to transport illegal children is grounds that this is our Governments doing. But Children have been coming here for a long time, just because the media just now picked up on it doesn't mean it hasn't been happening for a year, or longer.
And the ad is to transport Children back to wherever, not into the country.
Oh, and you're racist.
Brad
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The link states that an ad posted in January for bus drivers to transport illegal children is grounds that this is our Governments doing. But Children have been coming here for a long time, just because the media just now picked up on it doesn't mean it hasn't been happening for a year, or longer.
And the ad is to transport Children back to wherever, not into the country.
Oh, and you're racist.
Brad
Thanks for staying classy :P . That said, not all of the children are being sent back to mexico, they are being picked up at the border and being sent to other states and released, after processing. I doubt children have been walking thousands of miles by themselves, regardless of the date. ICE was looking for contractors to do their jobs for them. So, my original question stands... How are unescorted children walking from central america through the desert without help and entering the US?
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Thanks for staying classy :P . That said, not all of the children are being sent back to mexico, they are being picked up at the border and being sent to other states and released, after processing. I doubt children have been walking thousands of miles by themselves. ICE was looking for contractors to do their jobs for them. So, my original question stands... How are unescorted children walking from central america through the desert without help and entering the US?
Generally parents hire Coyotes to escort the children across the border into the US. They aren't necessarily walking all that far as they can drive all the way up to the Border on the US, and then walk across. Some coyotes drive all the way into the US, drop their passengers and drive back. It's all in what is paid for just like when you book a vacation. It can be all inclusive (I'll get you there, you don't have to do anything.) or it can be alacarte (I'll walk with you and show you the path, and where to sleep, but you need your own water etc.) Don't get me wrong, all choices suck. Nobody is walking from South America into the US, they are traveling that far on trains, planes, busses, and cars, just like crossing the US. Once they are captured in the US, and this is the goal, the children are then transported by ICE to different centers around the US. It's not feasible to leave them in the desert as costs to ship food and shelter in would be very high.
Generally parents hire Coyotes to escort the children across the border into the US. They aren't necessarily walking all that far as they can drive all the way up to the Border on the US, and then walk across. Some coyotes drive all the way into the US, drop their passengers and drive back. It's all in what is paid for just like when you book a vacation. It can be all inclusive (I'll get you there, you don't have to do anything.) or it can be alacarte (I'll walk with you and show you the path, and where to sleep, but you need your own water etc.) Don't get me wrong, all choices suck. Nobody is walking from South America into the US, they are traveling that far on trains, planes, busses, and cars, just like crossing the US. Once they are captured in the US, and this is the goal, the children are then transported by ICE to different centers around the US. It's not feasible to leave them in the desert as costs to ship food and shelter in would be very high.
Brad
PS. Fear spreader! #KeepingItReal
The levels are expected to beup ten fold, did I miss a mass payout in central america? I am well aware of coyotes, and know people that have used them. If you read all the articles, its not business as usual, at least not in my opinion. I am not talking about families, I am talking about children without any relatives with them. Would you ship your five year old to France by himself? From my understanding some of these kids have no where to go when they get here. Since when did we house them on military bases, deny clergy, congressman, refuse donations, and threaten medical workers with arrest?
My point with the walking bit, is that most of these kids are not walking across the bridge in Nuevo Laredo, to Laredo to stay with Aunt Rosa. They are coming from all over central America without relatives to escort them. That means they are being transported, and last I check coyotes are not cheap, and I doubt all the sudden ten times the people can afford to pay for one. I also find it strange they are sending kids with no where to go, I suppose its a ploy to say my baby is in the US, and I need to be allowed to live with him/her.
One weird event, its probably nothing, 10+ things not adding up, something is going on.
--Fear dealer
BTW... look into who La Raza really is...
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The levels are expected to beup ten fold, did I miss a mass payout in central america? I am well aware of coyotes, and know people that have used them. If you read all the articles, its not business as usual, at least not in my opinion. I am not talking about families, I am talking about children without any relatives. Since when did we house them on military bases, deny clergy, congressman, refuse donations, and threaten medical workers with arrest?
One of us is confused. The parent, or parents are either already in the US, or waiting across the border. It's a simple concept. The word is that your child will be cured of whatever they are sick with, taken care of and fed, and then, after a week or so they will be allowed to stay in the US, you pick them up and are given a cheap path to becoming a citizen yourself!
Basically the people are using the children as a path to becoming citizens. And as a bonus the child will be taken care of. The children as a rule are not being "snuck" into the US, as getting caught is the goal.
The people that are being denied access to the children are being denied because they are children, children get privacy that adults don't get, illegal or not. And I agree that they should get privacy. Another issue is that allowing say a clergy member into the group would only help to spread diseases. Donations are great, but only if you have to forces to handle them. The Government is not set up to disperse games and teddy bears to a bunch of kids, especially if they have to go through each game, and teddy bear, clean them, etc. etc.
It's the same way in most disasters, even the Red Cross doesn't dispense donations given during the emergency, they warehouse the stuff, and people go through it later.
One of us is confused. The parent, or parents are either already in the US, or waiting across the border. It's a simple concept. The word is that your child will be cured of whatever they are sick with, taken care of and fed, and then, after a week or so they will be allowed to stay in the US, you pick them up and are given a cheap path to becoming a citizen yourself!
Basically the people are using the children as a path to becoming citizens. And as a bonus the child will be taken care of. The children as a rule are not being "snuck" into the US, as getting caught is the goal.
The people that are being denied access to the children are being denied because they are children, children get privacy that adults don't get, illegal or not. And I agree that they should get privacy. Another issue is that allowing say a clergy member into the group would only help to spread diseases. Donations are great, but only if you have to forces to handle them. The Government is not set up to disperse games and teddy bears to a bunch of kids, especially if they have to go through each game, and teddy bear, clean them, etc. etc.
It's the same way in most disasters, even the Red Cross doesn't dispense donations given during the emergency, they warehouse the stuff, and people go through it later.
Brad
Congressman barred from military base fits into this? What comes after America? 6,000 kids in 2011, they are expecting 60,000 this year and possibly 160,000 in 2015. Why the increase? Yes, I understand why the parents are sending the kids. I don't understand the dramatic increase. I have problems with the most "transparent" administration putting gag orders on medical staff. I don't believe the kids are carrying the T-virus. I do believe this is Obama pushing backdoor amnesty, and a border free North America. I think California may become a flash point, like bundy ranch had the potential. I think the whole thing is shady.
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Congressman barred from military base fits into this?
I don't know anything about congressmen barred from the bases, perhaps it was congressmen with cameras, or crews that weren't allowed? Perhaps something was going on where they had concerns about contagious stuff?
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What comes after America?
I don't understand what you are asking?
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6,000 kids in 2011, they are expecting 60,000 this year and possibly 160,000 in 2015. Why the increase?
Wait, so you do know that this has been going on for a while then? What's the point of just now saying something? What happened in 2012 and 2013?
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Yes, I understand why the parents are sending the kids. I don't understand the dramatic increase. I have problems with the most "transparent" administration putting gag orders on medical staff.
So, you want medical staff to tell everyone other people's medical information? Stuff we have fought a long time to be made private, now you want it not private?
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I don't believe the kids are carrying the T-virus. I do believe this is Obama pushing backdoor amnesty, and a border free North America. I think California may become a flash point, like bundy ranch had the potential. I think the whole thing is shady.
Man, I'm on your side here, kinda, but if anyone is going to take this stuff seriously the conspiracy crap has to stop. That's where you lose credibility. Have you never heard the term "pick your battles"? ^_^
Stop and use common sense on anything. Then question what's still fishy.
#1. People's medical information is not open to public viewing, this is supposed to be a human right, not just a benefit of being a citizen. #2. If the children really are sick, and contagious, then nobody needs to go in there except medical personnel. #3. Kids have been coming across the border for years now. Suddenly it's news worthy? #4. You can't contain thousands of people in hundreds of places, with thousands of caretakers and keep things quiet, it's just not possible. I know that and I'm a country idiot, I'd imagine that the extremely intelligent people in charge of things know it as well. #5. We don't have to take things out of context to make a story. There are enough screwed up things without having to make things up. Besides making things up causes a loss of credibility.
Why are these bus loads of undocumented aliens not stopped at the border and turned back? When I made a trip to China (3X), every time I came back to the states I had to pass through immigration and show my passport etc. Barry better start managing to border, or start boarding the undocumented in the White House.
Man, I'm on your side here, kinda, but if anyone is going to take this stuff seriously the conspiracy crap has to stop. That's where you lose credibility. Have you never heard the term "pick your battles"? ^_^
Stop and use common sense on anything. Then question what's still fishy.
#1. People's medical information is not open to public viewing, this is supposed to be a human right, not just a benefit of being a citizen. #2. If the children really are sick, and contagious, then nobody needs to go in there except medical personnel. #3. Kids have been coming across the border for years now. Suddenly it's news worthy? #4. You can't contain thousands of people in hundreds of places, with thousands of caretakers and keep things quiet, it's just not possible. I know that and I'm a country idiot, I'd imagine that the extremely intelligent people in charge of things know it as well. #5. We don't have to take things out of context to make a story. There are enough screwed up things without having to make things up. Besides making things up causes a loss of credibility.
Brad
A. Maybe you're right, but usually they roll out the carpet for congressmen B. From the article about General Pretaus response about what comes after America. C. 14,000 unaccompanied minors in 2012, can't find data for 2013, the point is they expect it to be 150,000 or so in 2015.That part is new, why the skyrocketing numbers? http://www.thedailybeast.co...reasing-numbers.html D. Groups don't have a right to privacy, if west nile breaks out in Alaska among minors, it will make the news, they won't threaten arrest to anyone who speaks out about a outbreak among minor, as long as they don't identify the minors. So yes, that is shady.
1. See Answer D. 2. See answer D 3. See answer C. 4. But they are trying... 5, I don't intend any disrespect, or in any way stating your views are not as valid as mine... I didn't say Mayan based aliens are coming to steal our women. I provided a variety of sources, and did not make outlandish claims. See normalcy bias.
The normalcy bias, or normality bias, refers to a mental state people enter when facing a disaster. It causes people to underestimate both the possibility of a disaster occurring and its possible effects. This may results in situations where people fail to adequately prepare for a disaster, and on a larger scale, the failure of governments to include the populace in its disaster preparations.
The assumption that is made in the case of the normalcy bias is that since a disaster never has occurred then it never will occur. It can result in the inability of people to cope with a disaster once it occurs. People with a normalcy bias have difficulties reacting to something they have not experienced before. People also tend to interpret warnings in the most optimistic way possible, seizing on any ambiguities to infer a less serious situation.
The opposite of normalcy bias would be overreaction, or "worst-case thinking" bias,[1][2] in which small deviations from normality are dealt with as if an change in status quo signals an impending catastrophe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Normalcy_bias
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It's not a "sudden surge" it's simply doubling by about the same amount each year. It's still a lot, don't get me wrong. But statistically it seems to be making sense. It's not right, and it's not good. If this continues either we will run out of diapers, or they will run out of children.
If I go backwards I can see 3,000 in 2010, and1,500 in 2009 when I see this likely started.
It's not a "sudden surge" it's simply doubling by about the same amount each year. It's still a lot, don't get me wrong. But statistically it seems to be making sense. It's not right, and it's not good. If this continues either we will run out of diapers, or they will run out of children.
If I go backwards I can see 3,000 in 2010, and1,500 in 2009 when I see this likely started.
immigration laws exist to protect the labor force. the USA does not care about labor anymore. so - immigration laws no longer matter.
the corporations are thrilled to see future workers who will undercut any whiney YT. and, since they buy your elections, FU.
free market. yay. or are you going to place big government restrictions on the Free Market based on imaginary lines and which side of the imaginary line you fell out of a vagina on? uh huh. BS BS BS.
Originally posted by Pyrthian: so get out there and start shooting them.
The Oracle of Delphi told me to do so. So glad I no longer follow my own conscience. Countries have had borders for all of history and none have allowed unrestricted migration either in or out. There are good reasons for that. I do believe that there is a growing resource stress that may have a breaking point in my lifetime. In California, there is a drought. There is also a serious welfare expense that is constantly a heavy burden on the state budget. I suppose that the Fed should send them all to Detroit because they are such a prize to the economy. Then Detroit will again be the golden pride of the country.
If they send them to San Francisco, they will just join the Google bus protesters because they can not afford to live there. San Francisco already has given away their budget to the homeless and now do not have water to wash the feces off the sidewalks.
UNITED NATIONS – Representatives of the United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees, or UNHRC, are “intensely discussing in meetings” the possibility of extending U.N. protection to the thousands of Central Americans crossing the U.S. border with Mexico illegally by defining them as “refugees” who are seeking asylum from political and domestic violence in their home nations, WND has confirmed. Read more at http://www.wnd.com/2014/07/...#WPGiuYvjJ4UrZhxY.99
Please join us at the times and places below to protest at state capitals, on overpasses, outside the offices of amnesty supporting lawmakers, and at locations where Obama is trying to bus and house illegal aliens as part of his new federal smuggling operation!
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(I think they meant Oracle, AZ.) I wonder if these protests will be mentioned by the news media?
It's one of at least 300 incursions over the past 18 years identified in a Freedom of Information Act report on incursions obtained by the News 4 Tucson Investigators.
And the Mexican Government has said that there was no incursion by a helicopter that night into US airspace. Since they have apologized in the past for other things, I tend to believe them on this.
And the Mexican Government has said that there was no incursion by a helicopter that night into US airspace. Since they have apologized in the past for other things, I tend to believe them on this.
Brad
3 months ago? Happened in June, released in July. As for the Mexico, I believe them as much as I do Obama.
Obama decides to import more Democrats and cut out the coyote's part in their long path to cross the border illegally. I know this is only a prediction but most of his eventually are found to come true. Anything for the children right?
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RUSH: I should have seen it. It was right in front of my face and you know why it didn't occur to me? It's because it's so outrageous. President Barack Obama, it is said, is considering the idea of granting refugee status to the children of Honduras. Now, that I predicted. That's not what I missed. We all knew that was coming. I mean, ever since we began hearing the term "migrant" and "refugees," as opposed to illegal alien, illegal immigrant. We knew that was coming.
Data: NC not among states that got most immigrant children States with established Central American immigrant communities have received the most children released to sponsors this year after being arrested unaccompanied at the U.S.-Mexico border, according to federal data released Thursday.
Texas took in 4,280 of the children through July 7, followed by New York with 3,347, Florida with 3,181, California with 3,150, Virginia with 2,234 and Maryland with 2,205, said the U.S. Health and Human Services Department's Administration for Children and Families.
In all, 30,340 unaccompanied children have been released to sponsors in 2014, often to their parents. The agency didn't break down numbers by nationality but the vast majority were from El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras.
Note that's past tense. They've already been "placed." Of course it ignores those still coming in as well as those waiting to be processed, but it's clear the administration's intent is to keep them in the US and not deport them.
Nobody is walking from South America into the US, they are traveling that far on trains, planes, busses, and cars, just like crossing the US. Once they are captured in the US, and this is the goal, the children are then transported by ICE to different centers around the US. It's not feasible to leave them in the desert as costs to ship food and shelter in would be very high. 
#KeepingItReal
