The business can use the name, it just isn't trademarked.
You honestly believe that? He went on public record 'suggesting' they change their name, so he is clearly involved. Now, was it directly with a phone call, or indirect "the boss wants X, we really should do this"? None of us have that answer, but his involvement in the situation cant be rationally denied.
Guy at work suggested they change it to the "Washington Engines"
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Says the guy with an offensive avatar... You must be an expert.
To me its more inaccurate than offensive. While i subscribe to no party, i would not be offended if someone was incapable of using the correct words to insult me and had to resort to make things up, much like kids in grade school do.
Insults only work if you are not secure in your position anyway.
You honestly believe that? He went on public record 'suggesting' they change their name, so he is clearly involved. Now, was it directly with a phone call, or indirect "the boss wants X, we really should do this"? None of us have that answer, but his involvement in the situation cant be rationally denied.
You see what you want to... in this case you see that he must be involved... controlling the strings, as that is what you believe he does. If he is so powerful, how come his March Madness picks don't win?
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You see what you want to... in this case you see that he must be involved... controlling the strings, as that is what you believe he does. If he is so powerful, how come his March Madness picks don't win?
So him going on public record about the subject, in the news is my imagination?
When are they going to cancel the NAACP's trademark or the United Negro College Fund's trademark? I have heard it many times that Blacks are offended by "Colored People" and "Negro".
You see what you want to... in this case you see that he must be involved... controlling the strings, as that is what you believe he does. If he is so powerful, how come his March Madness picks don't win?
Does/did Oprah not influence people? Shes not even president.
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The issue is that your hatred of this administration may be clouding your judgement.... you seem to want to believe that Obama is everywhere, and involved in everything. They must be cloning him, as he is everywhere!
No. I don't care how much Obama directly had to do with this particular situation, and how much congress directly had to do with this particular situation.
They already have an abundant body of work that shows they little value private ownership, individual freedoms, and constitutional protections. This would be yet another minor case. For a group of people that blamed Bush for everything that happened, it is amazing how this president suddenly isn't involved in anything. Could it be that your love for this administration is clouding your judgement?
.... you seem to want to believe that Obama is everywhere, and involved in everything. They must be cloning him, as he is everywhere!
Not physically, but with the media's penetration into our lives today, you really can be 'everywhere' at once to drive your agenda. Gone are the days of riding around on the back of a train and shaking individual hands to get things done.
When are they going to cancel the NAACP's trademark or the United Negro College Fund's trademark? I have heard it many times that Blacks are offended by "Colored People" and "Negro".
Ya, Ive wondered for years why no one can have a 'white' or caucasion group of anything. Can a white or indian guy apply for Negro college aid funds or attend a Negro college ? You know what would happen if I went to my friends bar and started an only White Guys Drinking & Darts Club? Anyone seen an all white Fraternity or Sorority ?
This opens a whole new can of worms. They change what they want to be called as much as underware. I dont know what the latest non-offensive name is right now...assume its still African- American although 95% have never even been to Africa.
Ya, Ive wondered for years why no one can have a 'white' or caucasion group of anything.
Try having a 'white job fair' or 'white history month' and see how far you get. Or try to attended a 'black job fair' if you aren't.. See how fast you get bounced. I got funny looks and 'aggressively approached' just by walking past one on the side walk. *I* would never do something like that, but its ok for 'them' to do it.
Originally posted by frontal lobe: No. I don't care how much Obama directly had to do with this particular situation, and how much congress directly had to do with this particular situation.
They already have an abundant body of work that shows they little value private ownership, individual freedoms, and constitutional protections. This would be yet another minor case. For a group of people that blamed Bush for everything that happened, it is amazing how this president suddenly isn't involved in anything. Could it be that your love for this administration is clouding your judgement?
Who is this group that blamed bush for everything? If you're talking about me, I supported bush. Now, he wasn't perfect and he made some (big) mistakes... just like other presidents have done (and will continue to do so).
I don't love this administration, but I am not blinded by hatred. I try to keep an open mind and try not to make connections where they don't exist.
When are they going to cancel the NAACP's trademark or the United Negro College Fund's trademark? I have heard it many times that Blacks are offended by "Colored People" and "Negro".
Valid question and it should be reviewed in the same way "redskins" was. We are talking trademarks, so it depends if NAACP was trademarked.
Who is this group that blamed bush for everything? If you're talking about me, I supported bush. Now, he wasn't perfect and he made some (big) mistakes... just like other presidents have done (and will continue to do so).
I don't love this administration, but I am not blinded by hatred. I try to keep an open mind and try not to make connections where they don't exist.
I don't think he was talking to you directly, but more to the current administration and the Democratic Party.
So you're saying I believed the guy I punched in the teeth because he called my Wife a loud-mouthed slut? My Wife is NOT loud-mouthed...
I kind of agree with nurb.
Position is different, in your case you were defending someone else, if she had slugged him, she would have had to believe him or be insecure. I'm not sure it works the same when defending someone else you care about, or someone who may be considered defenseless. At least for me when thinking about it, when someone goes off on an insult tyrade twards me specifically it would usually inspire pity from me in a way, more than anger. But there is also the aspect of others seeing it and believing it or getting the wrong idea, and for many this too can be difficult to correct sometimes while not retaliating (even verbally). Hence a forum, and the arguments some have here.
Oprah? How did you get on this topic? Does she run the Trademark office?
Sorry if I dont explain thoroughly enough. Influence, they both have it. The president is in a position of authority, and should not stick his beak out into every situation IMO. Or at least when they do, it should be seen as such.
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You honestly believe that? He went on public record 'suggesting' they change their name, so he is clearly involved. Now, was it directly with a phone call, or indirect "the boss wants X, we really should do this"? None of us have that answer, but his involvement in the situation cant be rationally denied.
I went back and re-read all the posts. What's missing is simple -
The big deal is that the bureaucracy, in this case, the Trademark Trial and Appeal Board, has decided to intervene in the patent process.
This issue must not be left to Patent Office drones. If the ruling stands, the Patent Office will go from a technical office to a place where EVERY ideological pressure group in the country will try to punish their enemies.
Remember, this is not a court where judges are vetted. It is part of the unaccountable federal bureaucracy which is only supposed to administer and make technical judgments.
As for the Redskins name, it should be up to the public to make the choice. People will either support the team and name or they won’t.
Originally posted by 2.5: Sorry if I dont explain thoroughly enough. Influence, they both have it. The president is in a position of authority, and should not stick his beak out into every situation IMO. Or at least when they do, it should be seen as such.
Yes Obama has influence, but since this trademark issue started before he was President... I am not sure how his influence (or opinion) really changed anything. The die was cast before Obama took office.
Funny, I could care less about the news coverage of this, but those who are anti-obama are all over this story (as seen here). Seems like people can be easily distracted... hmmmm
Hmmmm, so you do care.
------------------ Ron Count Down to A Better America: http://countingdownto.com/countdown/196044 Isn't it strange that after a bombing, everyone blames the bomber, his upbringing, his environment, his culture, his mental state but … after a shooting, the problem is the gun?
My Uncle Frank was a staunch Conservative and voted straight Republican until the day he died in Chicago. Since then he has voted Democrat. Shrug
Yes Obama has influence, but since this trademark issue started before he was President... I am not sure how his influence (or opinion) really changed anything. The die was cast before Obama took office.
I dont know enough about it to know if that is correct. But when it started isnt as much a big deal as when it finishes.
I dont know enough about it to know if that is correct. But when it started isnt as much a big deal as when it finishes.
Or HOW it finishes. I have some lifelong diehard 'Skins fans for friends and they all say this time around with the "offensive name" claims has been FAR worse than any time in the past.
“They’re all missing the boat,” said Don Wetzel Sr.
Walter “Blackie” Wetzel was Don’s father, a Blackfeet Nation political leader who a half-century ago was the president of the National Congress of American Indians. Blackie, who was a great athlete in his day, became well-acquainted with Montana leaders like Mike Mansfield and Lee Metcalf.
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In the early 1970s, Blackie approached ownership of the Redskins and proposed designing a helmet logo.
“He did it the right way,” said Don. “It wasn’t some thrown together, fly-by-night deal. It’s something that represents the Red Nation in a positive way.”
And, he said, it doesn’t matter if many see it as offensive.
“Here’s the deal,” Don said. “Blackie was a smart egg. He called in leaders from other tribes and they worked on it a long time. They modeled it after the likeness on the ‘Buffalo Head nickel.’ ”
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In recent years, Wetzel has lived in Great Falls and has struggled with health issues. But in a recent call to the sports department of the Great Falls Tribune, Don displayed some of his trademark fire. It came when describing his angst over news reports that members of the Oneida Indian Nation met with human rights representatives at the United Nations in hopes that organization might pressure the Washington Redskins to eliminate their nickname and logo.
“What a bunch of BS,” said Don. “Keith Olbermann’s secretary called me looking for an interview, but I don’t care for him (Olbermann denies attempting to contact Wetzel). So I decided to call you. I’ve known you for a long time, my friend, and I know you’ll tell this story the right way.”
And that story is this:
“It needs to be said that an Indian from the state of Montana created that logo, and he did it the right way,” Don said. “It represents the Red Nation and it’s something to be proud of.”
Huh, now aint that just quaint. A leader from the Blackfeet Nation approached the owner of the Redskins in the early 70's and proposed designing the logo. Said leader calls leaders from other Native American nations and collaboratively design a logo and, more or less, bless the nickname Redskins and the brain behind it continues to defend the action saying "It represents the Red Nation and it's something to be proud of.".
I'm not sure if anything else really needs to be said.
McLoud High School is nestled in Pottawatomie County, Okla., approximately 30 miles east of Oklahoma City.
In a community rich with Native American history, the school district made the decision more than 50 years ago to switch from the Tigers mascot to the Redskins, as a tribute to their pride and tradition.
Gary Hodde has served as the high school athletic director in McLoud for the last 31 years, and spoke with Redskins.comTV about the honor that is shown to and by all residents of the close-knit community.
“We have a large Native American population at our school,” he said. “I’m not sure if they know the whole history behind the nickname ‘Redskins,’ but our athletes are no different from any other schools. We are known as the McLoud Redskins, and that’s what we proudly display on our jerseys and cheers.
“No one has ever been dishonored at our school with that Redskins nickname.”
Hodde noted that there are several tribes local to the McLoud community, with the Shawnees, Kickapoos and Pottawatomies calling the region home.
To ensure that their interests have been respected and upheld, the school district has title liaisons in the Native American community. Hodde spoke with one such liaison before agreeing to the interview.
“I just visited a few minutes ago with one of our Native American liaisons, our title workers here in McLoud,” Hodde said. “I was asking her a couple questions before the interview, and she reiterated that the people of our community are quite proud of the name ‘Redskins’ and would be saddened and disappointed if we changed it.”
The discussion has been had in the past to consider an alternative nickname, but Hodde said it was members of the Native American community that spoke out in resistance to change.
“A few years back, there was a movement of a group that attempted to change our name from the Redskins,” he said. “Many of the Native Americans in our community stepped forward and said ‘No, we’re not going to do that. We are proud of being the Redskins.’”
Last fall, football coach Eric Cardin led the Redskins to a 6-5 record, including a 5-2 record and a third place finish in the 4A District 2 Football standings.
Whether it is in the school halls or town hall, McLoud is proud of their rich Redskins tradition, and looks to rock the red and white colors with pride for years to come.
Full article under here
Also, in about 20 minutes of research, I have yet to find any significant evidence of U.S. political interference even coming close to the scope of the current "outrage" over the team's name. Prior to this the most I can find from even semi-reliable sources is 2 Native American senators opposing moving the Redskins stadium into Washington D.C. unless they changed their name. Up to this point 99.99% of the outrage had come from Native American tribes, and the U.S. Government had stayed out of it. What makes the outrage NOW more important than the outrage from over 20 years ago?
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Next on the agenda....The Cleveland Indians. Chief Wahoo. The three people that protest on front of Progressive Field on opening day every year don't like it. This stuff makes me sick. I know it's only sports, BUT this is the way of the world now. It spreads like a disease across all of society.
Huh, now aint that just quaint. A leader from the Blackfeet Nation approached the owner of the Redskins in the early 70's and proposed designing the logo. Said leader calls leaders from other Native American nations and collaboratively design a logo and, more or less, bless the nickname Redskins and the brain behind it continues to defend the action saying "It represents the Red Nation and it's something to be proud of.".
I'm not sure if anything else really needs to be said.
[QUOTE]McLoud High School is nestled in Pottawatomie County, Okla., approximately 30 miles east of Oklahoma City.
In a community rich with Native American history, the school district made the decision more than 50 years ago to switch from the Tigers mascot to the Redskins, as a tribute to their pride and tradition.
Gary Hodde has served as the high school athletic director in McLoud for the last 31 years, and spoke with Redskins.comTV about the honor that is shown to and by all residents of the close-knit community.
“We have a large Native American population at our school,” he said. “I’m not sure if they know the whole history behind the nickname ‘Redskins,’ but our athletes are no different from any other schools. We are known as the McLoud Redskins, and that’s what we proudly display on our jerseys and cheers.
“No one has ever been dishonored at our school with that Redskins nickname.”
Hodde noted that there are several tribes local to the McLoud community, with the Shawnees, Kickapoos and Pottawatomies calling the region home.
To ensure that their interests have been respected and upheld, the school district has title liaisons in the Native American community. Hodde spoke with one such liaison before agreeing to the interview.
“I just visited a few minutes ago with one of our Native American liaisons, our title workers here in McLoud,” Hodde said. “I was asking her a couple questions before the interview, and she reiterated that the people of our community are quite proud of the name ‘Redskins’ and would be saddened and disappointed if we changed it.”
The discussion has been had in the past to consider an alternative nickname, but Hodde said it was members of the Native American community that spoke out in resistance to change.
“A few years back, there was a movement of a group that attempted to change our name from the Redskins,” he said. “Many of the Native Americans in our community stepped forward and said ‘No, we’re not going to do that. We are proud of being the Redskins.’”
Last fall, football coach Eric Cardin led the Redskins to a 6-5 record, including a 5-2 record and a third place finish in the 4A District 2 Football standings.
Whether it is in the school halls or town hall, McLoud is proud of their rich Redskins tradition, and looks to rock the red and white colors with pride for years to come.
Full article under here
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But........but....a bunch of white people HAVE to show that they're not racist and are feeling guilty. So this MUST be done. Even if almost no one really cares.
But........but....a bunch of white people HAVE to show that they're not racist and are feeling guilty. So this MUST be done. Even if almost no one really cares.
I think thats part of alot of this junk. People latch onto something like this. Its easy it doesnt take effort. They are convinced that is what makes them a good person. Like choosing a Prius over a cobalt.
Ya, Ive wondered for years why no one can have a 'white' or caucasion group of anything. Can a white or indian guy apply for Negro college aid funds or attend a Negro college ? You know what would happen if I went to my friends bar and started an only White Guys Drinking & Darts Club? Anyone seen an all white Fraternity or Sorority ?
This opens a whole new can of worms. They change what they want to be called as much as underware. I dont know what the latest non-offensive name is right now...assume its still African- American although 95% have never even been to Africa.
I have a white as white friend who is a very respected architect in Gainesville FL. He attended Florida A&M, a black college, on a full scholarship. Sorry to burst your bubble.
I agree its part of it, but its a bit more than that, its incremental control of us..
I'm sure he called personally.
Wrong! One of the aides called directly... President Obama was "unaware" that anything of that nature had happened.
Plausible denyability...
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I have a white as white friend who is a very respected architect in Gainesville FL. He attended Florida A&M, a black college, on a full scholarship. Sorry to burst your bubble.
You think you're better than us because you have a white friend? I have white friends too you know.
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I have a white as white friend who is a very respected architect in Gainesville FL. He attended Florida A&M, a black college, on a full scholarship. Sorry to burst your bubble.
Doesnt affect my bubble at all.....
Quotes from online research on THEIR own website.
originally founded : "The school's enrollment was limited to African-American male students and was located in Tallahassee, Florida."
After being reopened as a STATE college it had to diversify so its not a 'black college' now at all : " Of the 1,807 who applied to the school in 2009, 630 were accepted and 234 enrolled.[5][6] Seventy-seven percent of the entering class were Florida residents, and 42% were non-minority students."
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So now ... multiple media outlets say they will not report about the Redskins using the name Redskins in their reports. Eat zhit and die. Oklahoma means red people in Choctaw Indian language.
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