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Well GM has picked their fall guys! by 84fiero123
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GM: Incompetence, negligence led to delayed recall
Jun 5, 10:33 AM (ET)

By TOM KRISHER and DEE-ANN DURBIN

WARREN, Mich. (AP) — General Motors says a pattern of incompetence and neglect, not a larger conspiracy or cover-up, is to blame for a long-delayed recall of defective ignition switches.

GM CEO Mary Barra, who released the results of an internal investigation into the company's missteps on Thursday, said 15 employees — many of them senior legal and engineering executives — have been forced out of the company for failing to disclose the defect, which the company links to 13 deaths. Five other employees have been disciplined.

GM also said it will establish a compensation program for families of victims and those who suffered serious injuries in accidents related to the switches. The program is expected to begin taking claims Aug. 1.

Barra called the investigation, which she ordered in March, "brutally tough and deeply troubling." It took GM more than a decade to report the deadly switch failures to regulators and the public, and to recall the cars.

"I hate sharing this with you just as much as you hate hearing it," Barra told employees in a town hall meeting at GM's suburban Detroit technical center. "But I want you to hear it. I want you to remember it. I want you to never forget it." Barra then promised to "fix the failures in our system."

The crisis began in February, when GM recalled 780,000 older-model Chevrolet Cobalt and Pontiac G5 small cars because of defective ignition switches. GM soon added the Saturn Ion and other small cars to the recall, which ballooned to 2.6 million cars worldwide.

The switches in the cars can slip out of the "run" position and shut down the engine. That disables the power-assisted steering and brakes and can cause drivers to lose control. It also disables the air bags. GM reiterated Thursday that it only links 13 deaths to the problem, but trial lawyers suing the company put the death toll closer to 60.

Barra said attorney Anton Valukas interviewed 230 employees and reviewed 41 million documents to produce the report, which also makes recommendations to avoid future safety problems. The government was expected to release the report later Thursday.

Barra said the report found that the company was operating in "silos," and individuals who could have helped uncover the problem didn't speak up.

"Because of the actions of a few people, and the willingness of others in the company to condone bureaucratic processes that avoided accountability, we let these customers down," Barra said. She again apologized to the families of those who died.

Last month, GM paid a $35 million fine — the largest ever assessed by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration — for failing to report the problem quickly to federal regulators. GM knew about problems with the ignition switches as early as 2001, and in 2005 it told dealers to tell owners to take excess items off their key chains so they wouldn't drag down the ignition switch.

In 2006, GM engineer Ray DeGiorgio — who designed the switch — approved a change in the switch design, but didn't inform the government or change the corresponding part number. In subsequent years, that made it harder for other GM engineers to figure out why older Cobalts performed worse than newer ones.

Barra confirmed Thursday that two employees placed on leave in April have been fired; DeGiorgio was one of those employees.

GM began repairing the cars in April, and had fixed 86,000 as of Thursday. But it has said it doesn't expect to fix them all until October. GM says the cars are safe as long as customers only use the key and have no extra items on their key chains.

Barra named a new safety chief at GM in March and pledged to quickly work through a backlog of potential recalls. As a result, the automaker has recalled a record 15.8 million cars and trucks in North America so far this year.

The company took a $1.3 billion charge in the first quarter to pay for the recalls. It expects to take a $400 million recall-related charge in the second quarter.

The report doesn't complete GM's recall saga. The automaker still faces a criminal investigation by the U.S. Department of Justice — led by the same team that recently reached a $1.2 billion settlement with Toyota over its 2010 sudden acceleration recall. It also faces multiple lawsuits from victims and from owners whose say their cars have lost value.

Barra, who testified before House and Senate committees in April, will also likely be called back to Washington.

Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science and Technology Committee's consumer protection subcommittee, said she intends to hold a hearing on the delayed recalls later this summer.

"I won't be letting GM leadership, or federal regulators, escape accountability for these tragedies," she said in a statement. "The families of those affected deserve no less."

Surprised they didn't pick a few line workers, its always the union line workers fault right guys!

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Sen. Claire McCaskill, D-Mo., chairman of the Senate Commerce, Science and Technology Committee's consumer protection subcommittee, said she intends to hold a hearing on the delayed recalls later this summer.

"I won't be letting . . . federal regulators, escape accountability . . .


Excuse me while I don't hold my breath waiting for that.
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While I don't believe the whole truth came out in Mary's Speech, she did not go lightly on GM. Based on the fact that she claims many deficiencies in GM's System were discovered in their investigation, and the fact that many of the people were still employed there makes me wonder how many more issues will come up with vehicles? There could be a bigger mine field GM walked into past these ignition switches.
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Originally posted by California Kid:

While I don't believe the whole truth came out in Mary's Speech, she did not go lightly on GM. Based on the fact that she claims many deficiencies in GM's System were discovered in their investigation, and the fact that many of the people were still employed there makes me wonder how many more issues will come up with vehicles? There could be a bigger mine field GM walked into past these ignition switches.


The guys at the top will never pay for anything they do in the automotive manufacturing world, its just the way it is, the way it always has been and always will be. they will always get their golden parachute and never lose any sleep over anything they did that hurts anyone.

You can't change things from inside GM, ask John DeLorean

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Originally posted by 84fiero123:

The guys at the top will never pay for anything they do in the upper management world, its just the way it is, the way it always has been and always will be. they will always get their golden parachute and never lose any sleep over anything they did that hurts anyone.


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Originally posted by 84fiero123:

The guys at the top will never pay for anything they do in the automotive manufacturing world, its just the way it is, the way it always has been and always will be. they will always get their golden parachute and never lose any sleep over anything they did that hurts anyone.

You can't change things from inside GM, ask John DeLorean

Steve


While I understand your point, that is not what I'm referring to. Mary publicly admitted that Senior Legal and Senior Engineering Personnel knew about the issue (and still employed by GM until very recently), that is not going go over well with the Government at all, as it should have been disclosed when GM applied for Bankruptcy. Secondly it blows the door wide open for Attorney's to go after GM with full force now, no only on ignition switch, but all other cases as well. None of this sync's with what Mary told the Government, namely, "that was the Old GM".

I heard one News Reporter make the comment that since GM just fired a lot of those people, it takes the heat of GM, and they can go after those individuals directly. That's just not true, those people were hired by GM, and represented GM, GM Management Reviewed and Approved those Engineering changes.

We'll have to see how it works out down the road, but what I heard this morning from Mary did not sound good at all.
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And some of the upper management will leave with there compensation package that will be far more than some of the family's receive that lost love ones

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While I understand your point, that is not what I'm referring to. Mary publicly admitted that Senior Legal and Senior Engineering Personnel knew about the issue (and still employed by GM until very recently), that is not going go over well with the Government at all, as it should have been disclosed when GM applied for Bankruptcy. Secondly it blows the door wide open for Attorney's to go after GM with full force now, no only on ignition switch, but all other cases as well. None of this sync's with what Mary told the Government, namely, "that was the Old GM".

I heard one News Reporter make the comment that since GM just fired a lot of those people, it takes the heat of GM, and they can go after those individuals directly. That's just not true, those people were hired by GM, and represented GM, GM Management Reviewed and Approved those Engineering changes.

We'll have to see how it works out down the road, but what I heard this morning from Mary did not sound good at all.


while this particular article is about GM it is or should be yet one more wakeup call to the little people who don't mean crap to those at the top it doesn't matter the company be it GM, Toyota, a bank, an investment firm or any other huge company, those at the top never pay. they are insulated by the many layers of lower workers who end up taking the axe for them. they will all still get their golden parachute, they will always be insulated from any prosecution. up until the bankers, like the few who have actually done time for stealing moneys, lives, retirements this is yet just one more example of those in charge having someone else take the fall for them.

they are above the law, those at the top of any corporation, bank, investment house anything as long as they have money they rarely do any time for destroying peoples lives and in cases like this example actually killing people because the been counters or who ever was in charge knew it was cheaper to just pay a few people a few thousand or maybe millions in very few cases for their careless disregard for peoples lives.

We have the best legal system money can buy in this country.

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Add some more to the list:

http://money.cnn.com/2014/0...utos/gm-new-recalls/


You know as well as I do they may as well recall all the cars they have built since 04 or when ever they changed over to this ignition. they were all made by the same place in Mexico and were in all their cars and trucks.

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Originally posted by California Kid:

While I don't believe the whole truth came out in Mary's Speech, she did not go lightly on GM. Based on the fact that she claims many deficiencies in GM's System were discovered in their investigation, and the fact that many of the people were still employed there makes me wonder how many more issues will come up with vehicles? There could be a bigger mine field GM walked into past these ignition switches.


Many of those from the union ranks.

And don't forget that Mary herself has been at GM for several decades.
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GM is a failure in my eyes.. that's why this time around with an American car I did what I thought id never do and went with a Ford. the quality is better, the engines seem to be better and they did not take any of my money through the goberment to keep it that way. I mean my mustang is a base model and it still even has a soft vinyl dash board. my last newer GM fell apart at 60K miles. and was just so cheaply built it was despicable. I went to Hyundai which was the same thing but built with better quality... now im with ford and I really like it
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Many of those from the union ranks.

And don't forget that Mary herself has been at GM for several decades.


Oh I knew you would say that, its always the unions fault in everything in your eyes. Even though they could not have ever known anything about that ignition switches problem, blame it all on the union its always their fault.

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Oh I knew you would say that, its always the unions fault in everything in your eyes. Even though they could not have ever known anything about that ignition switches problem, blame it all on the union its always their fault.

Steve


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