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new engine design by proff
Started on: 05-25-2014 12:02 AM
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Thanks for posting. I never caught the other thread, and now I am fascinated by this. Bookmarked for later consumption.
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Interesting but I see this havaing a lot of problems before it achieves perfection.
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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

Interesting but I see this havaing a lot of problems before it achieves perfection.


The Dr. said the same thing about me!
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I remember watching a documentary about the University of Florida or some Florida University that developed a plastic engine that ran off of kerosene.
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Originally posted by Wichita:

I remember watching a documentary about the University of Florida or some Florida University that developed a plastic engine that ran off of kerosene.


Ford was into plastic engines about 20-30 years ago.

Interesting concept. I would think sealing the tops of the cylinders would be tough. Also, the bottom end has a lot of direction forces being applied to it.

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We had a presentation/discussion on alternative engines last month, including the Duke engine.

Here’s links to a few of video clips of some engines we discussed.
Google any of the names or terms for more information.

What’s most amazing is that some of the “new” technologies being promoted today
were invented/patented in the late 1890s/early 1900s (bracketed information).

Typical 4-stroke engine design.
http://xorl.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/img11.gif

Opposed Piston (Gobron-Brillie 1989-1922)
Ecomotors’ design (pretty much exact same layout as G-B)
http://www.engineeringtv.co...ton-Opposed-Cylinder

Commer Knocker (1954-1968)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGaISFg_ZIw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QbaUi4A3ZVQ

Compound Engine (Eisenhuth 1904-1907)
Today, the technology is called a 5-stroke engine.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0uPmrSRM7w

Felix Wankel Rotary 1958-Present
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6BCgl2uumlI

MYT (Massive Yet Tiny) Patented 2004
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI1JLbnW3Sg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0XTU7gCZV4

2010 Rotary Vane (Russian MYT clone)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZB0Go3Kj-k

Split-Cycle engine (Backus Water Motor Company 1891)
Scuderi Design
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BK2Mm7TYHuk
Paut Motor design
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYOaSDSv12c

6-stroke engine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UskFplqn1YM

Dolye rotary split-cycle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ1kxbtsBSU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7IZJXod5EaM

Turbocombustion Green-Engine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv_mYSrOgIM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAVLmWR8ZfM

Revolver-Cam Engine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJSLDq7MkhQ

Axial-Vector engine
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edCjejhGIAU


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Seriously, WTF! Do you think I have all damn day to just sit around and be interested in cool **** !

(Thanks for the links. Now I will get nothing done today.)
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:

Seriously, WTF! Do you think I have all damn day to just sit around and be interested in cool **** !

(Thanks for the links. Now I will get nothing done today.)


Some are damn amazing. And the computer animations are outstanding.
Especially the Paut Motor split-combustion/double-ended piston design.

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I remember seeing a Ford prototype "X 8" engine configuration that was later abandoned for the flatty, iirc. Very similar to the Paut design, if not, identical.
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LOVE this stuff.
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How about the "T" drive engine.
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Originally posted by Tony Kania:

The Dr. said the same thing about me!


And he is still scratching his head.

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So what is the shaft RPM? If the entire cylider bank rotates, what is its RPM? How much "lag" does it have to spool up that much mass, and how long does it take to slow it down when you "blip" the throttle? Oil starvation seems like a possability at the inner sides of the cylider walls?
Are those HUGE roller guides for the swash plate? That could be a bumpy ride for the rotating/reciprocating swash plate?
Is vibration an isuue with out the counter weights of a crank shaft to balance out the reciprocating mass?

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Originally posted by pontiackid86:

Interesting but I see this havaing a lot of problems before it achieves perfection.


I was thinking the same thing. Primarily, cylinder to head seal wear seems like it would be an immense challenge. Like the Mazda, rotor seals were a nightmare.
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I was thinking the same thing. Primarily, cylinder to head seal wear seems like it would be an immense challenge. Like the Mazda, rotor seals were a nightmare.


Yes, and the spinning cylinder block. What will centrifugal forces do to the piston skirts and rings? Seems like that would add massive friction and oil problems?
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Originally posted by Taijiguy:

I was thinking the same thing. Primarily, cylinder to head seal wear seems like it would be an immense challenge.


We watched the Duke engine video a half-dozen times and still didn't quite "get it". Looking like a lot of moving mass.
We agreed on "how the heck do they seal the head gasket". Obviously, they've figured something out.
I'm OK to admit they may have smarter people than me working on it.
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Split cycle, why? Seems to me that adds a great deal of pointless complication/duplication. It looks like the Paut engine crankshaft would bind, also.
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