She's pretty long winded and somewhat repetitive but has compelling arguments (most of which already raised in this thread). She doesn't see issues in black and white only and I don't doubt that making this statement will have "great personal cost to her" in her community. Especially what she says about the increasing irrelevance of the white male with limited education sounds a lot like Obama's "gun clinger" comment from years ago. That won't go over well....
Edit: this thing is supposed to happen today... holding my breath...
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Once a nation's govt has swerved from the will of the people and the foundations upon which it was intended to stay, there is no other way to set it back on course other than by force, and anything less or otherwise is a futile gesture.
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The will of the people is in the hands of the people... via the elections.
Under most circumstances yes, but not all. Not according to the founding fathers anyway--the writers and signers of the constitution.
First news reports indicate the patriotic fervor was cooled by rain. Like Washington abandoning the crossing of the Delaware due to the danger of getting his feet wet.
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“It’s a very dismal turnout,” said Jackie Milton, 61, a Jacksboro, Texas, resident and the head of Texans for Operation American Spring, to The Washington Times. He said hopes were high when he arrived in Alexandria, Va., a day or so ago and found motels and hotels were sold out for 30 miles around. But weather’s dampened turnout a bit, he said.
“We were getting over two inches of rain in hour in parts of Virginia this morning,” Mr. Milton said. “Now it’s a nice sunny day. But this is a very poor turnout. It ain’t no millions. And it ain’t looking like there’s going to be millions. Hundreds is more like it.”
First news reports indicate the patriotic fervor was cooled by rain. Like Washington abandoning the crossing of the Delaware due to the danger of getting his feet wet.
Funny how folks make fun of this, but we're so in tuned to the Million Man March? Where was the laughter then? Now, a march about OUR freedoms as American Citizens is just a ****ing joke?
Funny how folks make fun of this, but we're so in tuned to the Million Man March? Where was the laughter then? Now, a march about OUR freedoms as American Citizens is just a ****ing joke?
Not making fun of the American Spring March per se (I'm completely in favor of peaceful political demonstrations) but of the utter lack of attendance and the ridiculous attempts at justification ("it was raining"). And, if it was about your freedoms and they are important to you, maybe you should have gone to Washington, DC?
The difference to the Million Men March:
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Million Man March, political demonstration in Washington, D.C., on Oct. 16, 1995, to promote African American unity and family values. Estimates of the number of marchers, most of whom were African American men, ranged from 400,000 to nearly 1.1 million, ranking it among the largest gatherings of its kind in American history.
Can you vote Yellowstone? I did not thinks so. Your do not have a vote here in America. Sorry if you don't like it, but it is the truth.
And as far as me going to Washington to do this... I never even hinted at such a thing? Perhaps YOU should become a citizen, here in the United States of America, then what you say can hold weight. Until then, you are a foreigner here.
Can you vote Yellowstone? I did not thinks so. Your do not have a vote here in America. Sorry if you don't like it, but it is the truth.
And as far as me going to Washington to do this... I never even hinted at such a thing? Perhaps YOU should become a citizen, here in the United States of America, then what you say can hold weight. Until then, you are a foreigner here.
Nobody needs a vote to have an opinion. That was a weak comeback. Go for the person instead of finding good arguments on the issue....
Back on topic, why do you think it is that hardly any of the "10 million patriots" showed up?
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There was Justin's Beaver concert? Or perhaps people are too interested in the next big thing? Truthfully though, I have heard little about it from our state run media sources.
I have no idea if you're a good human (how would I, judging only from what I see you writing on an online forum) but I hope so and give you the benefit of the doubt. I also think that you're not a fair debater and I'm sorry about that. I enjoy debate that's controversial but fair.
There was Justin's Beaver concert? Or perhaps people are too interested in the next big thing?
Now, I'm really interested what people here think caused this dismal turnout. It is that the discontent is more superficial than real? Are people just too lazy (even the ones in the so-called militias etc.)? Was the rhetoric of the organizers too weird and that turned most people off?
Nobody needs a vote to have an opinion. That was a weak comeback. Go for the person instead of finding good arguments on the issue....
Back on topic, why do you think it is that hardly any of the "10 million patriots" showed up?
They were to busy camped outside the theater for the first showing of the next Star Wars movie.
On a more serious note, I'd say it has more to do with the current economy and where the majority of the disenfranchisement exists. Your coastal areas tend to be more left leaning and while there may be some discontent about certain issues among those who lean left on the whole they are behind "their" guy. Rather the right leaning populace who are more likely to attend such a demonstration tend to reside more in the fly over states and probably can't afford the expenditure to attend such a demonstration let alone stay for any real length of time. Instead you'd be relying more on those who are realistically within attend-able distance to get you to that 10 million goal. Granted if you consider the whole estimated population of the US, 10 million is only about a third of 1% of the population so "numbers" wise it seems doable. The problem is when you consider the total population of those "within reasonable travel distance" and the percentage of those who are actually disenfranchised I'd imagine that percent needed to show up would grow drastically in comparison. So in essence, holding a demonstration in a location that is not saturated with those of like mind and in a time of recession making attendance for those who are of like mind but not close enough to be there within a 2 hour drive is not a very good recipe for success, weather excluded. Now had he provided transportation and lodging at no cost to those who attended with compensation for lost wages, I imagine he could have hit that 10 million mark rather easily even with rain. That or had they held it in multiple locations at multiple state or city government offices it probably would have fared much better. Maybe 4 or 5 locations in each state for people to assemble? Show more of a general outrage across the US rather than try to get the outrage focused in one location.
However, all that is just my opinion. It hasn't gotten bad enough yet for the populace to "march" on those in charge. I don't know what it would take to reach that point, but I just don't think we are there yet. Right now we are to busy hating each other rather than the government who promotes that division.
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They were to busy camped outside the theater for the first showing of the next Star Wars movie.
On a more serious note, I'd say it has more to do with the current economy and where the majority of the disenfranchisement exists. Your coastal areas tend to be more left leaning and while there may be some discontent about certain issues among those who lean left on the whole they are behind "their" guy. Rather the right leaning populace who are more likely to attend such a demonstration tend to reside more in the fly over states and probably can't afford the expenditure to attend such a demonstration let alone stay for any real length of time. Instead you'd be relying more on those who are realistically within attend-able distance to get you to that 10 million goal. Granted if you consider the whole estimated population of the US, 10 million is only about a third of 1% of the population so "numbers" wise it seems doable. The problem is when you consider the total population of those "within reasonable travel distance" and the percentage of those who are actually disenfranchised I'd imagine that percent needed to show up would grow drastically in comparison. So in essence, holding a demonstration in a location that is not saturated with those of like mind and in a time of recession making attendance for those who are of like mind but not close enough to be there within a 2 hour drive is not a very good recipe for success, weather excluded. Now had he provided transportation and lodging at no cost to those who attended with compensation for lost wages, I imagine he could have hit that 10 million mark rather easily even with rain. That or had they held it in multiple locations at multiple state or city government offices it probably would have fared much better. Maybe 4 or 5 locations in each state for people to assemble? Show more of a general outrage across the US rather than try to get the outrage focused in one location.
However, all that is just my opinion. It hasn't gotten bad enough yet for the populace to "march" on those in charge. I don't know what it would take to reach that point, but I just don't think we are there yet. Right now we are to busy hating each other rather than the government who promotes that division.
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Not to mention, that I personally never even heard of this event or the person who is being discussed prior to this thread being posted.
I also do not believe that Washington D.C. post 9-11 is ever going to allow a million person protest event of any kind, especially one that has anything to do with the right leaning side of things--and certainly not 10 million.
Maybe, with as much as some may have wanted to attend, getting a Friday off of work (not to mention additional travel time for some) to attend a protest just wasn't a viable option. Keeping food on the table is just more important to some people than protesting in DC. Doesn't necessarily mean they didn't want to go. Maybe they just couldn't. Maybe the turn-out would have been better had they had it on a long weekend instead. Just thoughts.
Granted if you consider the whole estimated population of the US, 10 million is only about a third of 1% of the population so "numbers" wise it seems doable.
No, it's 3% of the total population and that includes infants and elderly. About 5% if you only consider people 18-65 years old. I think that was never even remotely realistic, especially if you consider that maybe half of the people actually support the current government, most people are apathetic and, as you mentioned, the clusters of greatest discontent seems to be located far from Washington DC.
I also think that there's quite a bit of posturing and grandstanding involved. Like Ted Nugent saying a few years ago that he would be dead or in jail within a year if Obama won the presidency again and look what happened... nothing.
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No, it's 3% of the total population and that includes infants and elderly. About 5% if you only consider people 18-65 years old. I think that was never even remotely realistic, especially if you consider that maybe half of the people actually support the current government and, as you mentioned, the clusters of greatest discontent are located far from Washington DC.
But maybe there's quite a bit of posturing involved. Like Ted Nugent saying a few years ago that he would be dead or in jail if Obama won again and look what happened...
Yes, sorry. I forgot to move the decimal point when I did the division... 3.15% roughly since population is estimated to be 314,700,000 and some. Really, this last week has been hell on me with the weather playing games with my arthritis and trying to get a backyard finished on a 2.5 million dollar home before the wedding that's taking place there in about 3 weeks. Add into that the pain making sleep rather difficult so I've been getting 5 hours or less of sleep each night and well that should explain my lapse and general inactivity on the forum as of late. Still, given all that I feel my explanation probably hits pretty close to the mark. Thank you for the correction, I truly do appreciate it. Pretty sad state when you consider in the past week I think I've only posted in 2 threads and one of them has to be political, /sigh.
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